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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    It is a stupid rule.

    A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.

    What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.

    If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
    Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.

    It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.  

    Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.


    Again... I don't think anybody is disputing the replay officials got the call right as defined by the rule book. I think people are pointing out the rule is stupid.

    I remember that Megatron play. Absolutely stupid. Dez Bryant got a TD overturned as well (in a big game) with the poorly conceived rule book idea of a catch.
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  • Cliffy6745
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    A catch is a catch is a catch and that dude caught the football.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Poncier said:
    So one thing we learned from the Eagles/Giants game yesterday is that Carson Wentz is nothing but a system QB. You can plug anyone into that system and they can throw 4 TDs.
    Kind of like Garoppolo filling in for Brady?

    Garoppolo's a pretty damn good qb. Niner's are in good shape at that position moving forward.
    If the niners build a team around Jimmy, he’ll take them places.
    He seems to have great touch on every pass he throws. Only took one 2nd rounder to get him right?

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  • F Me In The Brain
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    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Poncier said:
    So one thing we learned from the Eagles/Giants game yesterday is that Carson Wentz is nothing but a system QB. You can plug anyone into that system and they can throw 4 TDs.
    Kind of like Garoppolo filling in for Brady?

    Garoppolo's a pretty damn good qb. Niner's are in good shape at that position moving forward.
    If the niners build a team around Jimmy, he’ll take them places.
    He seems to have great touch on every pass he throws. Only took one 2nd rounder to get him right?

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Poncier said:
    So one thing we learned from the Eagles/Giants game yesterday is that Carson Wentz is nothing but a system QB. You can plug anyone into that system and they can throw 4 TDs.
    Kind of like Garoppolo filling in for Brady?

    Garoppolo's a pretty damn good qb. Niner's are in good shape at that position moving forward.
    If the niners build a team around Jimmy, he’ll take them places.
    He seems to have great touch on every pass he throws. Only took one 2nd rounder to get him right?

    A Pats Niner's SB in a couple of years would be awesome. The GOAT versus the Understudy. Brady has at least 4 more years in him. Long enough to see his best friend impeached.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Poncier said:
    So one thing we learned from the Eagles/Giants game yesterday is that Carson Wentz is nothing but a system QB. You can plug anyone into that system and they can throw 4 TDs.
    Kind of like Garoppolo filling in for Brady?

    Garoppolo's a pretty damn good qb. Niner's are in good shape at that position moving forward.
    If the niners build a team around Jimmy, he’ll take them places.
    He seems to have great touch on every pass he throws. Only took one 2nd rounder to get him right?

    A Pats Niner's SB in a couple of years would be awesome. The GOAT versus the Understudy. Brady has at least 4 more years in him. Long enough to see his best friend impeached.
    lol

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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,593
    Cowboys got real lucky.  Raiders probably should have won that game.
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  • DewieCox
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    HesCalledDyer said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    It is a stupid rule.

    A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.

    What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.

    If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
    Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.

    It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.  

    Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.


    Exactly.  The current rule negates the old "ground can't cause a fumble" part of a catch that we all grew up with and knew so well.  It's dumb, and it goes against everything that was ingrained in us for so long, but it's the rule.
    Nope. Gotta be a catch before it’s a fumble. Ground still can’t cause a fumble.
  • Wobbie
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    MayDay10 said:
    Belichick and Brady have definitely made a deal with the devil or some kind of malignant demon or something.  

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  • JK_Livin
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    DewieCox said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    It is a stupid rule.

    A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.

    What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.

    If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
    Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.

    It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.  

    Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.


    Exactly.  The current rule negates the old "ground can't cause a fumble" part of a catch that we all grew up with and knew so well.  It's dumb, and it goes against everything that was ingrained in us for so long, but it's the rule.
    Nope. Gotta be a catch before it’s a fumble. Ground still can’t cause a fumble.
    The ground causes fumbles all the time. 
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you or we have very differing opinions of what constitutes “all the time”.
  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    DewieCox said:
    I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you or we have very differing opinions of what constitutes “all the time”.
    If a "runner" falls to the ground without being touched and loses the ball, it's a fumble.
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  • MayDay10
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    Shifting gears, but remaining in the realm of bad rules....

    I think the NFL should do away with the fumble out of the end zone as a touchback.  It seems silly.  Placing the ball at the spot of the fumble makes more sense.
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    MayDay10 said:
    Shifting gears, but remaining in the realm of bad rules....

    I think the NFL should do away with the fumble out of the end zone as a touchback.  It seems silly.  Placing the ball at the spot of the fumble makes more sense.
    I also think when a receiver fields a kickoff or punt and steps out of the back of the endzone, it should be a safety.  Because that's what it would be on any other ball in play.
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  • HesCalledDyer
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    DewieCox said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    It is a stupid rule.

    A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.

    What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.

    If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
    Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.

    It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.  

    Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.


    Exactly.  The current rule negates the old "ground can't cause a fumble" part of a catch that we all grew up with and knew so well.  It's dumb, and it goes against everything that was ingrained in us for so long, but it's the rule.
    Nope. Gotta be a catch before it’s a fumble. Ground still can’t cause a fumble.
    Well, what I mean is, before, you only needed possession then if you went to the ground and the ground knocks the ball loose, it was still a complete pass. With the current rule, the ground knocking the ball loose causes the pass to be incomplete, thus negating possession of the ball.
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  • DewieCox
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    DewieCox said:
    I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you or we have very differing opinions of what constitutes “all the time”.
    How often does that happen? Doesn’t seem like a regular occurrence?

    HesCalledDyer said:
    DewieCox said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    It is a stupid rule.

    A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.

    What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.

    If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
    Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.

    It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.  

    Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.


    Exactly.  The current rule negates the old "ground can't cause a fumble" part of a catch that we all grew up with and knew so well.  It's dumb, and it goes against everything that was ingrained in us for so long, but it's the rule.
    Nope. Gotta be a catch before it’s a fumble. Ground still can’t cause a fumble.
    Well, what I mean is, before, you only needed possession then if you went to the ground and the ground knocks the ball loose, it was still a complete pass. With the current rule, the ground knocking the ball loose causes the pass to be incomplete, thus negating possession of the ball.
    Better than before, when the ball couldn’t touch the ground at all.
  • F Me In The Brain
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    MayDay10 said:
    Shifting gears, but remaining in the realm of bad rules....

    I think the NFL should do away with the fumble out of the end zone as a touchback.  It seems silly.  Placing the ball at the spot of the fumble makes more sense.
    Agree.  If the other team doesn't recover it should go back to wherever it was last correctly possessed.  Think this ruling is beyond silly.
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  • HesCalledDyer
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    DewieCox said:
    DewieCox said:
    I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you or we have very differing opinions of what constitutes “all the time”.
    How often does that happen? Doesn’t seem like a regular occurrence?

    HesCalledDyer said:
    DewieCox said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    It is a stupid rule.

    A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.

    What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.

    If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
    Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.

    It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.  

    Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.


    Exactly.  The current rule negates the old "ground can't cause a fumble" part of a catch that we all grew up with and knew so well.  It's dumb, and it goes against everything that was ingrained in us for so long, but it's the rule.
    Nope. Gotta be a catch before it’s a fumble. Ground still can’t cause a fumble.
    Well, what I mean is, before, you only needed possession then if you went to the ground and the ground knocks the ball loose, it was still a complete pass. With the current rule, the ground knocking the ball loose causes the pass to be incomplete, thus negating possession of the ball.
    Better than before, when the ball couldn’t touch the ground at all.
    It’s worse than before. Possession used to be called before the player even went to the ground. That’s my point. As long as you had possession of the ball BEFORE going to the ground, it was a catch. Now you have to hold possession through the ground. It’s stupid. 
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  • DewieCox
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    You’ve always had to complete the catch when going to the ground. Allowing the ball to touch the ground, if remaining in control of the ball, is more lenient than it used to be.

    This whole nonsense started when they brought in the “football move” terminology. 

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