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Again... I don't think anybody is disputing the replay officials got the call right as defined by the rule book. I think people are pointing out the rule is stupid.tempo_n_groove said:
Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:It is a stupid rule.
A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.
What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.
If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.
Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.
I remember that Megatron play. Absolutely stupid. Dez Bryant got a TD overturned as well (in a big game) with the poorly conceived rule book idea of a catch.
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He seems to have great touch on every pass he throws. Only took one 2nd rounder to get him right?Halifax2TheMax said:
If the niners build a team around Jimmy, he’ll take them places.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Kind of like Garoppolo filling in for Brady?Poncier said:So one thing we learned from the Eagles/Giants game yesterday is that Carson Wentz is nothing but a system QB. You can plug anyone into that system and they can throw 4 TDs.
Garoppolo's a pretty damn good qb. Niner's are in good shape at that position moving forward.
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The better of our two 2nd rounders, yes.The Juggler said:
He seems to have great touch on every pass he throws. Only took one 2nd rounder to get him right?Halifax2TheMax said:
If the niners build a team around Jimmy, he’ll take them places.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Kind of like Garoppolo filling in for Brady?Poncier said:So one thing we learned from the Eagles/Giants game yesterday is that Carson Wentz is nothing but a system QB. You can plug anyone into that system and they can throw 4 TDs.
Garoppolo's a pretty damn good qb. Niner's are in good shape at that position moving forward.
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A Pats Niner's SB in a couple of years would be awesome. The GOAT versus the Understudy. Brady has at least 4 more years in him. Long enough to see his best friend impeached.The Juggler said:
He seems to have great touch on every pass he throws. Only took one 2nd rounder to get him right?Halifax2TheMax said:
If the niners build a team around Jimmy, he’ll take them places.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Kind of like Garoppolo filling in for Brady?Poncier said:So one thing we learned from the Eagles/Giants game yesterday is that Carson Wentz is nothing but a system QB. You can plug anyone into that system and they can throw 4 TDs.
Garoppolo's a pretty damn good qb. Niner's are in good shape at that position moving forward.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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lolHalifax2TheMax said:
A Pats Niner's SB in a couple of years would be awesome. The GOAT versus the Understudy. Brady has at least 4 more years in him. Long enough to see his best friend impeached.The Juggler said:
He seems to have great touch on every pass he throws. Only took one 2nd rounder to get him right?Halifax2TheMax said:
If the niners build a team around Jimmy, he’ll take them places.The Juggler said:tempo_n_groove said:
Kind of like Garoppolo filling in for Brady?Poncier said:So one thing we learned from the Eagles/Giants game yesterday is that Carson Wentz is nothing but a system QB. You can plug anyone into that system and they can throw 4 TDs.
Garoppolo's a pretty damn good qb. Niner's are in good shape at that position moving forward.
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Cowboys got real lucky. Raiders probably should have won that game.
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Nope. Gotta be a catch before it’s a fumble. Ground still can’t cause a fumble.HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. The current rule negates the old "ground can't cause a fumble" part of a catch that we all grew up with and knew so well. It's dumb, and it goes against everything that was ingrained in us for so long, but it's the rule.tempo_n_groove said:
Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:It is a stupid rule.
A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.
What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.
If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.
Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.
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The ground causes fumbles all the time.DewieCox said:
Nope. Gotta be a catch before it’s a fumble. Ground still can’t cause a fumble.HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. The current rule negates the old "ground can't cause a fumble" part of a catch that we all grew up with and knew so well. It's dumb, and it goes against everything that was ingrained in us for so long, but it's the rule.tempo_n_groove said:
Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:It is a stupid rule.
A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.
What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.
If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.
Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.Alright, alright, alright!
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I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you or we have very differing opinions of what constitutes “all the time”.
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If a "runner" falls to the ground without being touched and loses the ball, it's a fumble.DewieCox said:I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you or we have very differing opinions of what constitutes “all the time”.Alright, alright, alright!
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Shifting gears, but remaining in the realm of bad rules....
I think the NFL should do away with the fumble out of the end zone as a touchback. It seems silly. Placing the ball at the spot of the fumble makes more sense.0 -
I also think when a receiver fields a kickoff or punt and steps out of the back of the endzone, it should be a safety. Because that's what it would be on any other ball in play.MayDay10 said:Shifting gears, but remaining in the realm of bad rules....
I think the NFL should do away with the fumble out of the end zone as a touchback. It seems silly. Placing the ball at the spot of the fumble makes more sense.
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Well, what I mean is, before, you only needed possession then if you went to the ground and the ground knocks the ball loose, it was still a complete pass. With the current rule, the ground knocking the ball loose causes the pass to be incomplete, thus negating possession of the ball.DewieCox said:
Nope. Gotta be a catch before it’s a fumble. Ground still can’t cause a fumble.HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. The current rule negates the old "ground can't cause a fumble" part of a catch that we all grew up with and knew so well. It's dumb, and it goes against everything that was ingrained in us for so long, but it's the rule.tempo_n_groove said:
Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:It is a stupid rule.
A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.
What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.
If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.
Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.
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How often does that happen? Doesn’t seem like a regular occurrence?DewieCox said:I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you or we have very differing opinions of what constitutes “all the time”.
Better than before, when the ball couldn’t touch the ground at all.HesCalledDyer said:
Well, what I mean is, before, you only needed possession then if you went to the ground and the ground knocks the ball loose, it was still a complete pass. With the current rule, the ground knocking the ball loose causes the pass to be incomplete, thus negating possession of the ball.DewieCox said:
Nope. Gotta be a catch before it’s a fumble. Ground still can’t cause a fumble.HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. The current rule negates the old "ground can't cause a fumble" part of a catch that we all grew up with and knew so well. It's dumb, and it goes against everything that was ingrained in us for so long, but it's the rule.tempo_n_groove said:
Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:It is a stupid rule.
A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.
What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.
If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.
Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.0 -
Agree. If the other team doesn't recover it should go back to wherever it was last correctly possessed. Think this ruling is beyond silly.MayDay10 said:Shifting gears, but remaining in the realm of bad rules....
I think the NFL should do away with the fumble out of the end zone as a touchback. It seems silly. Placing the ball at the spot of the fumble makes more sense.
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It’s worse than before. Possession used to be called before the player even went to the ground. That’s my point. As long as you had possession of the ball BEFORE going to the ground, it was a catch. Now you have to hold possession through the ground. It’s stupid.DewieCox said:
How often does that happen? Doesn’t seem like a regular occurrence?DewieCox said:I’m gonna go ahead and disagree with you or we have very differing opinions of what constitutes “all the time”.
Better than before, when the ball couldn’t touch the ground at all.HesCalledDyer said:
Well, what I mean is, before, you only needed possession then if you went to the ground and the ground knocks the ball loose, it was still a complete pass. With the current rule, the ground knocking the ball loose causes the pass to be incomplete, thus negating possession of the ball.DewieCox said:
Nope. Gotta be a catch before it’s a fumble. Ground still can’t cause a fumble.HesCalledDyer said:
Exactly. The current rule negates the old "ground can't cause a fumble" part of a catch that we all grew up with and knew so well. It's dumb, and it goes against everything that was ingrained in us for so long, but it's the rule.tempo_n_groove said:
Thing is he never completed the "process" of the catch via the rule book.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:It is a stupid rule.
A receiver catches the ball... takes a few steps... makes a football move... crosses the goal line... goes to the ground... and the ball 'moves'. Ruling? Incomplete.
What about the receiver taking a slant... running 30 yards... gets tackled... goes to the ground... and doesn't 'survive the ground' (the ball moves a bit as they hit the turf)? Ultimately... it's the same thing.
If anything... they should have reviewed the play to see if it was a fumble. It was obviously a catch.
It's a dumb rule but the rule none the less.
Remember Calvin Johnson like 7 years ago did something like this and that is when it all started.Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 250 -
You’ve always had to complete the catch when going to the ground. Allowing the ball to touch the ground, if remaining in control of the ball, is more lenient than it used to be.
This whole nonsense started when they brought in the “football move” terminology.0
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