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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mace1229 said:
    Why do you think cops should not carry their own guns? Shouldn't they be allowed to use what they are most comfortable with? I mean, within reason. Departments that allow that typically put restrictions on what types of guns/calibers can be carried. 
    I don;t see a difference between that and a mechanic bringing in his own tool set to work. 
    Of course I know tool sets don't kill people. But I don;t see what is wrong with proving cops a list of 9mm and .45 cal guns to chose from, and let them decide what is best for them from an approved list.
    We should follow England's example: the majority of police officers do not carry firearms; that duty is instead carried out by specially-trained firearms officers
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,039
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Why do you think cops should not carry their own guns? Shouldn't they be allowed to use what they are most comfortable with? I mean, within reason. Departments that allow that typically put restrictions on what types of guns/calibers can be carried. 
    I don;t see a difference between that and a mechanic bringing in his own tool set to work. 
    Of course I know tool sets don't kill people. But I don;t see what is wrong with proving cops a list of 9mm and .45 cal guns to chose from, and let them decide what is best for them from an approved list.
    We should follow England's example: the majority of police officers do not carry firearms; that duty is instead carried out by specially-trained firearms officers
    And how many citizens have guns there compared to here?
    Would never happen (or be a smart idea) unless you banned guns.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Why do you think cops should not carry their own guns? Shouldn't they be allowed to use what they are most comfortable with? I mean, within reason. Departments that allow that typically put restrictions on what types of guns/calibers can be carried. 
    I don;t see a difference between that and a mechanic bringing in his own tool set to work. 
    Of course I know tool sets don't kill people. But I don;t see what is wrong with proving cops a list of 9mm and .45 cal guns to chose from, and let them decide what is best for them from an approved list.
    We should follow England's example: the majority of police officers do not carry firearms; that duty is instead carried out by specially-trained firearms officers
    And how many citizens have guns there compared to here?
    Would never happen (or be a smart idea) unless you banned guns.
    Yup. Doesn't make sense. I think fewer than 10% of cops in the UK carry guns, but they also have about 6 guns per 100 residents. We have about 100 guns per 100 residents in the US. Who would sign up to be a cop here if they were out on duty unarmed but dealing with a heavily armed populous? 
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mace1229 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Why do you think cops should not carry their own guns? Shouldn't they be allowed to use what they are most comfortable with? I mean, within reason. Departments that allow that typically put restrictions on what types of guns/calibers can be carried. 
    I don;t see a difference between that and a mechanic bringing in his own tool set to work. 
    Of course I know tool sets don't kill people. But I don;t see what is wrong with proving cops a list of 9mm and .45 cal guns to chose from, and let them decide what is best for them from an approved list.
    We should follow England's example: the majority of police officers do not carry firearms; that duty is instead carried out by specially-trained firearms officers
    And how many citizens have guns there compared to here?
    Would never happen (or be a smart idea) unless you banned guns militias were well-regulated.
    ftfy
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,244
    edited December 2017

    and with this justice dept , we cant expect to see  federal civil rights violations.
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  • OnWis97
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    I was not familiar with the Shaver case.

    Should be interesting...a cop acquitted of killing a white guy.  And seemingly generating an excuse by playing a game of Simon Says and shooting when an mistake was made.  It's pretty blatant...only the most diehard Blue Backers are using the ol' "he didn't follow instructions" excuse.

    I hope the video becomes the most viral thing ever...a lot of cop excuse-makers, given that the victims are usually black, may have to re-think whether this could happen to them.  This could happen to ANYONE.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    mace1229 said:
    Why do you think cops should not carry their own guns? Shouldn't they be allowed to use what they are most comfortable with? I mean, within reason. Departments that allow that typically put restrictions on what types of guns/calibers can be carried. 
    I don;t see a difference between that and a mechanic bringing in his own tool set to work. 
    Of course I know tool sets don't kill people. But I don;t see what is wrong with proving cops a list of 9mm and .45 cal guns to chose from, and let them decide what is best for them from an approved list.

    I see nothing wrong with an approved list. I just see something wrong with telling cops to 'bring a gun to work'. From investigations... to cops making a poor choice for themselves or others... or for other reasons as well... I see individual choice as a problem.  
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Why do you think cops should not carry their own guns? Shouldn't they be allowed to use what they are most comfortable with? I mean, within reason. Departments that allow that typically put restrictions on what types of guns/calibers can be carried. 
    I don;t see a difference between that and a mechanic bringing in his own tool set to work. 
    Of course I know tool sets don't kill people. But I don;t see what is wrong with proving cops a list of 9mm and .45 cal guns to chose from, and let them decide what is best for them from an approved list.
    We should follow England's example: the majority of police officers do not carry firearms; that duty is instead carried out by specially-trained firearms officers

    In the USA?

    No way.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Why do you think cops should not carry their own guns? Shouldn't they be allowed to use what they are most comfortable with? I mean, within reason. Departments that allow that typically put restrictions on what types of guns/calibers can be carried. 
    I don;t see a difference between that and a mechanic bringing in his own tool set to work. 
    Of course I know tool sets don't kill people. But I don;t see what is wrong with proving cops a list of 9mm and .45 cal guns to chose from, and let them decide what is best for them from an approved list.
    We should follow England's example: the majority of police officers do not carry firearms; that duty is instead carried out by specially-trained firearms officers

    In the USA?

    No way.
    Why not?  Is England better than us? 
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    This guys 8 year old daughter tried to kill herself yesterday.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,503
    unsung said:
    This guys 8 year old daughter tried to kill herself yesterday.
    With a dad like that, she's in a deep hole in this life.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    What is that supposed to mean?
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,503
    unsung said:
    What is that supposed to mean?
    My mistake, I thought it was the cop's daughter you were referring to. Had to look it up.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mace1229
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    OnWis97 said:
    I was not familiar with the Shaver case.

    Should be interesting...a cop acquitted of killing a white guy.  And seemingly generating an excuse by playing a game of Simon Says and shooting when an mistake was made.  It's pretty blatant...only the most diehard Blue Backers are using the ol' "he didn't follow instructions" excuse.

    I hope the video becomes the most viral thing ever...a lot of cop excuse-makers, given that the victims are usually black, may have to re-think whether this could happen to them.  This could happen to ANYONE.
    I think it is insulting to think that those who support cops did so because the victims were black, and that that will change with Shaver being white.
  • tbergs
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    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I was not familiar with the Shaver case.

    Should be interesting...a cop acquitted of killing a white guy.  And seemingly generating an excuse by playing a game of Simon Says and shooting when an mistake was made.  It's pretty blatant...only the most diehard Blue Backers are using the ol' "he didn't follow instructions" excuse.

    I hope the video becomes the most viral thing ever...a lot of cop excuse-makers, given that the victims are usually black, may have to re-think whether this could happen to them.  This could happen to ANYONE.
    I think it is insulting to think that those who support cops did so because the victims were black, and that that will change with Shaver being white.
    I was thinking the exact opposite of OnWis and that those who constantly tout these shootings as a race only issue will need to at least admit bad cops don't only kill minorities. Usually the story breaks of a white cop (or even Asian or Latino) shooting an unarmed black man and everybody jumps on the race card and insinuates non-minorities aren't shot when unarmed. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem, but it's not the problem in every shooting. Most of them come down to inefficient training and lack of de-escalation skills.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I was not familiar with the Shaver case.

    Should be interesting...a cop acquitted of killing a white guy.  And seemingly generating an excuse by playing a game of Simon Says and shooting when an mistake was made.  It's pretty blatant...only the most diehard Blue Backers are using the ol' "he didn't follow instructions" excuse.

    I hope the video becomes the most viral thing ever...a lot of cop excuse-makers, given that the victims are usually black, may have to re-think whether this could happen to them.  This could happen to ANYONE.
    I think it is insulting to think that those who support cops did so because the victims were black, and that that will change with Shaver being white.

    No kidding.

    And you get labelled an ardent 'blue backer' defending cops when they need defending? 

    Each shooting has its own characteristics and not all shootings leave the cop as a redneck, racist bastard in the aftermath- even though the most diehard Blue Haters routinely insist such despite evidence that might suggest otherwise. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/


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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    CM189191 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    CM189191 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Why do you think cops should not carry their own guns? Shouldn't they be allowed to use what they are most comfortable with? I mean, within reason. Departments that allow that typically put restrictions on what types of guns/calibers can be carried. 
    I don;t see a difference between that and a mechanic bringing in his own tool set to work. 
    Of course I know tool sets don't kill people. But I don;t see what is wrong with proving cops a list of 9mm and .45 cal guns to chose from, and let them decide what is best for them from an approved list.
    We should follow England's example: the majority of police officers do not carry firearms; that duty is instead carried out by specially-trained firearms officers

    In the USA?

    No way.
    Why not?  Is England better than us? 

    It was already explained to you and is obvious: your country is fraught with guns and people that like to use them. Are you seriously suggesting your police force should be armed with a billy club and some pepper spray? Don't you think that places them at a disadvantage? Given your posting history... I'm sure that's why you are advocating for such: you hate cops at the best of times.

    In answer to your 2nd question... 'yes' in many ways. For example, I'm pretty sure England couldn't rally around a nincompoop like Donald Trump and elect him as their PM. Such a candidate would have been flamed and embarrassingly thrashed. Somewhat in the context of this thread... the country initiated and supported sweeping gun reform to safeguard their country a few decades back and now they are reaping the benefits for doing so (you guys still need to evolve to such a state of mind). 
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/



    If I'm reading this graph correctly... of 926 shootings so far this year:

    440 victims were white... I says 'pardon'?
    543 victims had a gun (149 had a knife)... potentially threats to the responding officers.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,039
    edited December 2017
    tbergs said:
    mace1229 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I was not familiar with the Shaver case.

    Should be interesting...a cop acquitted of killing a white guy.  And seemingly generating an excuse by playing a game of Simon Says and shooting when an mistake was made.  It's pretty blatant...only the most diehard Blue Backers are using the ol' "he didn't follow instructions" excuse.

    I hope the video becomes the most viral thing ever...a lot of cop excuse-makers, given that the victims are usually black, may have to re-think whether this could happen to them.  This could happen to ANYONE.
    I think it is insulting to think that those who support cops did so because the victims were black, and that that will change with Shaver being white.
    I was thinking the exact opposite of OnWis and that those who constantly tout these shootings as a race only issue will need to at least admit bad cops don't only kill minorities. Usually the story breaks of a white cop (or even Asian or Latino) shooting an unarmed black man and everybody jumps on the race card and insinuates non-minorities aren't shot when unarmed. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem, but it's not the problem in every shooting. Most of them come down to inefficient training and lack of de-escalation skills.
    This is not the first wrongful shooting of a white guy either though. There's been almost as many that make the news. The problem is they get media attention for about 5 minutes then are forgotten if the victim is white.
    And the comment wasn't pointing out how this isn't really a race issue but a cop issue, he flat out said cop supporters supported cops because the victims were black. That is just outright insulting. 
    If anything blame the anti-cop movement and media and all of the haters of cops for not making a bigger deal of cases involving white victims.
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