Sexual Misconduct in Politics

PP193448 said:

It’s kinda ridiculous for anyone to be sided either liberal or conservative on issues of sexual harassment and abuse.  It really is everywhere.
Politics—JFK, Bill Clinton, Trump, Franken, Moore, etc.  
media— Oreilly, Lauer, etc
Hollywood— Weinstein, etc.
not to mention common work places.  
Stop the insanity!!

An article the other day was pointing out most sexual harassment allegations come from retail and food service industry. 

PP193448 said:

It’s kinda ridiculous for anyone to be sided either liberal or conservative on issues of sexual harassment and abuse.  It really is everywhere.
Politics—JFK, Bill Clinton, Trump, Franken, Moore, etc.  
media— Oreilly, Lauer, etc
Hollywood— Weinstein, etc.
not to mention common work places.  
Stop the insanity!!

Don't forget high schools.

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Welp...garrison keillor now

Wow. What’s jarring on a personal level is how we unconsciously create an image of what these people are like in their private life. Some people you know are dicks, but others you think cool, reasonable people.  

That's assuming the accusation is true, of course..... I don't think anyone has really left any room for the possibility in any of the ways that would matter for someone who is falsely accused, but that doesn't mean false accusations haven't and/or won't be laid against people.

PJ_Soul said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Welp...garrison keillor now

Wow. What’s jarring on a personal level is how we unconsciously create an image of what these people are like in their private life. Some people you know are dicks, but others you think cool, reasonable people.  

That's assuming the accusation is true, of course..... I don't think anyone has really left any room for the possibility in any of the ways that would matter for someone who is falsely accused, but that doesn't mean false accusations haven't and/or won't be laid against people.

True. I keep thinking how these aren’t union employees. Or if they are, the contract is pretty weak. 

So here’s a question, completely hypothetical... just in case these kind of accusations spill into the home...
If you grab your spouses ass without asking, and he/she doesn’t object, is that misconduct or just part of the marriage guidelines???  

Ron Burgundy must be a little worried right now

JimmyV said:

Yes. As more and more of these allegations surface and as the terminations resulting from the allegations come quicker and quicker, the very real possibility of false accusations being made is growing. I hate to say it but it's true.

I'm also starting to wonder what is "unacceptable behavior"?

I get running around naked can be viewed as funny or unacceptable but where is the line drawn?

If I do something and everyone in the room but one person finds it funny is it unacceptable?

tempo_n_groove said:

JimmyV said:

Yes. As more and more of these allegations surface and as the terminations resulting from the allegations come quicker and quicker, the very real possibility of false accusations being made is growing. I hate to say it but it's true.

I'm also starting to wonder what is "unacceptable behavior"?

I get running around naked can be viewed as funny or unacceptable but where is the line drawn?

If I do something and everyone in the room but one person finds it funny is it unacceptable?

Good questions - the other question that has to be asked is who, exactly, is determining the answers?? How hysterical are the people who can ruin lives, like corporate executives and people in the media? I hope more people finally start asking these kinds of questions, and that this wave of mob hysteria is coming to a close so that we can think about this whole issue more critically. I feel like right now people are still more focused on burning the accused at the stake than they are about the underlying problems that lead so many people to act this way or about all the people, mostly women, who have been and are suffering under the attitudes that create these circumstances. It isn't enough for people to stop behaving that way just because they are afraid of getting called out on it (better than nothing, but still). They should not behave that way because they aren't even compelled to do it in the first place. It's about respect, and usually about gender relations and power relations. And those issues connect to very complex things like social conditioning, sexuality, power dynamics in society, etc, and not just how it applies to famous and/or powerful people. What's going on now isn't helping that side of it IMO.... All I can hope for is that this is just the first step to something better. But I fear that this is just a flash in the pan, a distraction from Trump, and it will just fizzle and it will be back to business (sexual harassment and assault) as usual.

tempo_n_groove said:

The Juggler said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JimmyV said:

Yes. As more and more of these allegations surface and as the terminations resulting from the allegations come quicker and quicker, the very real possibility of false accusations being made is growing. I hate to say it but it's true.

I'm also starting to wonder what is "unacceptable behavior"?

I get running around naked can be viewed as funny or unacceptable but where is the line drawn?

If I do something and everyone in the room but one person finds it funny is it unacceptable?

Doesn't the company you work at have sexual harassment training?

I took it already and it's amazing at what is considered "harassment" hence why I asked the Funny for all but 1 question.

So what was the answer to that question in your harassment seminar?

I've taken the same kind of seminar at my work (union atmosphere). Harassment was defined as repeated unwanted behaviour as far as my work place is concerned, so one incident wouldn't be considered harassment in any case from what our human rights lawyer told us. That doesn't mean a one-time thing wouldn't be addressed, but it wouldn't be considered harassment.