Donald Trump

HughFreakingDillon said:

all you people saying we'll have trump for 8 years. you still think so? nearly 70% disapproval rating? or do you somehow think only democrats are being polled??

Since I am guilty of pessimism and cynicism about the popularity of Trump and the white nationalist movement, I guess I should reply.

Yesterday was a good day.  But just like the crazy body-slamming Trumpies that won in those legislative contests, this is just two states that, as JC points out, were won by Hillary.  That said, between last night, and the numbers, Trump supporters should (but won't) calm down on being confident about 2020. Several months ago, I referred to Trump as "beloved" and the American people as "ecstatic" that Trump is president.  OK...I've come off of that ledge.  But I don't think that means Trump is certain to not get a second term.  His people are dedicated and white nationalism is still gaining steam.

This morning I heard a good quote on "Good Morning America," of all places...my wife had it on while I was making breakfast in the kitchen and not really paying attention.  Someone suggested that "Trumpism doesn't work without Trump" (I assume overreaction to last night's results meaning Trump is a sitting duck, which I don't quite buy).  But he followed it up with something like "I'm not sure Trumpism works without Hillary."  The more time goes on and I see the right still talking about Hillary (and still assuming the left loves her and is upset that she's not president as opposed to that Trump IS) the more I wonder if they'll lose too much of the apathetic/middle if they don't have her to villainize.  If the Democrats are able to nominate someone that is not so universally-hated,* Trump's path to victory becomes steeper.

*Of course, my faith in that is a bit shaken.

Anyway, I'm not as sure as I was that we have him for eight years, but we could doubt that possibility at our own peril.

dignin said:

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

all you people saying we'll have trump for 8 years. you still think so? nearly 70% disapproval rating? or do you somehow think only democrats are being polled??

Since I am guilty of pessimism and cynicism about the popularity of Trump and the white nationalist movement, I guess I should reply.

Yesterday was a good day.  But just like the crazy body-slamming Trumpies that won in those legislative contests, this is just two states that, as JC points out, were won by Hillary.  That said, between last night, and the numbers, Trump supporters should (but won't) calm down on being confident about 2020. Several months ago, I referred to Trump as "beloved" and the American people as "ecstatic" that Trump is president.  OK...I've come off of that ledge.  But I don't think that means Trump is certain to not get a second term.  His people are dedicated and white nationalism is still gaining steam.

This morning I heard a good quote on "Good Morning America," of all places...my wife had it on while I was making breakfast in the kitchen and not really paying attention.  Someone suggested that "Trumpism doesn't work without Trump" (I assume overreaction to last night's results meaning Trump is a sitting duck, which I don't quite buy).  But he followed it up with something like "I'm not sure Trumpism works without Hillary."  The more time goes on and I see the right still talking about Hillary (and still assuming the left loves her and is upset that she's not president as opposed to that Trump IS) the more I wonder if they'll lose too much of the apathetic/middle if they don't have her to villainize.  If the Democrats are able to nominate someone that is not so universally-hated,* Trump's path to victory becomes steeper.

*Of course, my faith in that is a bit shaken.

Anyway, I'm not as sure as I was that we have him for eight years, but we could doubt that possibility at our own peril.

Some good points.

I also see the low approval numbers, but the unwavering Republican support for Trump which makes me pessimistic about him being outed. The national polls may show disapproval, but I don't think that necessarily correlates to someone who won't vote for him for the first time or again, especially Republicans. If he is nominated, his attitude and ability mean very little. All he needs is that R next to his name and he'll get another 60 million votes. The only hope is that more people turn out in opposition next time and can unite on a candidate without ceding votes to 3rd parties.

It's very premature to celebrate his low approval numbers.

https://www.axios.com/78-of-republicans-approve-of-trump-2504855073.html 

JimmyV said:

2020 is a long time from now.

2018 needs to be the Democratic focus.

Exactly the focus has to be on 2018 if democrats gain senate&congressional seats Orange baffoon will have he's hands tied and zero accomplished hell he has the majority in both houses and has accomplished nada ...

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

all you people saying we'll have trump for 8 years. you still think so? nearly 70% disapproval rating? or do you somehow think only democrats are being polled??

Since I am guilty of pessimism and cynicism about the popularity of Trump and the white nationalist movement, I guess I should reply.

Yesterday was a good day.  But just like the crazy body-slamming Trumpies that won in those legislative contests, this is just two states that, as JC points out, were won by Hillary.  That said, between last night, and the numbers, Trump supporters should (but won't) calm down on being confident about 2020. Several months ago, I referred to Trump as "beloved" and the American people as "ecstatic" that Trump is president.  OK...I've come off of that ledge.  But I don't think that means Trump is certain to not get a second term.  His people are dedicated and white nationalism is still gaining steam.

This morning I heard a good quote on "Good Morning America," of all places...my wife had it on while I was making breakfast in the kitchen and not really paying attention.  Someone suggested that "Trumpism doesn't work without Trump" (I assume overreaction to last night's results meaning Trump is a sitting duck, which I don't quite buy).  But he followed it up with something like "I'm not sure Trumpism works without Hillary."  The more time goes on and I see the right still talking about Hillary (and still assuming the left loves her and is upset that she's not president as opposed to that Trump IS) the more I wonder if they'll lose too much of the apathetic/middle if they don't have her to villainize.  If the Democrats are able to nominate someone that is not so universally-hated,* Trump's path to victory becomes steeper.

*Of course, my faith in that is a bit shaken.

Anyway, I'm not as sure as I was that we have him for eight years, but we could doubt that possibility at our own peril.

very good points. thank you. I wonder how long they're going to keep shouting Hillary's name from the rooftops. it's ridiculous. it's been a YEAR since she lost the election. Jesus. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

MayDay10 said:

benjs said:

Wobbie said:

why we got canucks in the trump thread?

Because we share the longest border in the world with you and we’re not naive enough to think that we’re exempt from some madness flowing up here? Because our social and economic trends are historically linked with yours to a degree? Because we have empathy? Because we’re engaged citizens who recognize we live in a global environment? Pick any, and remember that you’re on a discussion board where there are no borders. 

lol, read a newspaper in Canada compared to the US rags.  There is so much world news that is heavily reported that we don't hear much about or get exposed to at all.  Canadians seem so much more aware of the outside world, while Americans seem to be very US-centric (other than when we focus on an 'evil' country to rattle sabers at like Iran, Iraq, NK, etc....)

I agree. watch CNN as compared to CBC news. the difference is striking in local vs global coverage. maybe we don't have enough drama in Canada?

And thank Gawd!

JC29856 said:

I know dems are anxious to echo MSM and say last night was a rejection of Trump but Im not so sure. First, these were state-wide races not the mid-terms, the mid-terms will be the real test. Second, Va and NJ were carried by Hillary not Trump, if Trump had won those states then I would be more apt to agree with the Trump rejection theory. Lastly, Gillespie is a swampy establishment candidate that ran a centrist campaign, he actually rejected Trump and instead had W campaigning for him. You can place one word next to Guadagno defeat, Christie. 

In any event alot of good things happened last night, anti establishment candidates won including many minorities, even Muslims, a transgender won, women won, ME voted to expand Medicaid and few more that slipped my mind.

Cut the crap.  No one believes you're a progressive.  
For the record, in 1993 and 2013, NJ and VA elected a Republican governor.  Let's think about what happened in 1994 and 2014....

MayDay10 said:

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

all you people saying we'll have trump for 8 years. you still think so? nearly 70% disapproval rating? or do you somehow think only democrats are being polled??

This morning I heard a good quote on "Good Morning America," of all places...my wife had it on while I was making breakfast in the kitchen and not really paying attention.  Someone suggested that "Trumpism doesn't work without Trump" (I assume overreaction to last night's results meaning Trump is a sitting duck, which I don't quite buy).  But he followed it up with something like "I'm not sure Trumpism works without Hillary."  The more time goes on and I see the right still talking about Hillary (and still assuming the left loves her and is upset that she's not president as opposed to that Trump IS) the more I wonder if they'll lose too much of the apathetic/middle if they don't have her to villainize.  If the Democrats are able to nominate someone that is not so universally-hated,* Trump's path to victory becomes steeper.

*Of course, my faith in that is a bit shaken.

Anyway, I'm not as sure as I was that we have him for eight years, but we could doubt that possibility at our own peril.

This is precisely why (IMO) Obama has not been vocal, nor pushing back in the face of Trump E-O-ing his legacy.  The minute Obama steps out as an antagonist to Trump, there is a villain to build narratives and slogans around.  

The only way Trump can exist, is to have someone to cut down.  If he is just tweeting into an echo chamber, with his adversaries coming from his own party.... his base (very slowly) dwindles, meanwhile indys are pushed further away

That's a great point.  This is how it is with demis and populists.  They can lead a revolt and create a ruckus; it's like a comet shooting from the sky.  But when it comes time to govern and get things done, they are impotent.  They don't have knowledge, skills, or influence.  We are seeing this play out today.  He's like our very own Huey Long.  He will peeter out.  

PJ_Soul said:

^^ Yeah, all good points..... Of course, all of that will go out the window if Trump decides to start a major war. Then it's a whole new ballgame, and god knows what direction things would go in.

Yeah, short term jingoism usually takes over and unifies the country.  But c'mon...do you think someone would start a war for political gain?  Never!!