what is up with all these hollywood pedos?

F Me In The Brain · October 2017

Poof! I like that .gif

I think it is telling that he didn't claim that he would never try to fuck a 14 year old. (What any decent human being would say.)

He cannot go away fast enough. This isn't an example of making a mistake. It is being a frigging Creeper with a capital C.

dignin · October 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

WPJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up. If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

if a 26 year old man/woman put the moves on my 14 year old daughter, was drunk/sober or a broadway actor/construction worker, I'd go BALLISTIC. none of those details is relevant except the ages of those involved.

I was 17 and nearly dated a 14 year old. I felt weird about it. even though she seemed older than 14, there seemed something off about it.

26? FUCK NO. that's called pedophilia.

That's not pedophilia.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2017

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

WPJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up. If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

if a 26 year old man/woman put the moves on my 14 year old daughter, was drunk/sober or a broadway actor/construction worker, I'd go BALLISTIC. none of those details is relevant except the ages of those involved.

I was 17 and nearly dated a 14 year old. I felt weird about it. even though she seemed older than 14, there seemed something off about it.

26? FUCK NO. that's called pedophilia.

That's not pedophilia.

I know. I misspoke. but you know what I mean. it's sick.

dignin · October 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

WPJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up. If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

if a 26 year old man/woman put the moves on my 14 year old daughter, was drunk/sober or a broadway actor/construction worker, I'd go BALLISTIC. none of those details is relevant except the ages of those involved.

I was 17 and nearly dated a 14 year old. I felt weird about it. even though she seemed older than 14, there seemed something off about it.

26? FUCK NO. that's called pedophilia.

That's not pedophilia.

I know. I misspoke. but you know what I mean. it's sick.

I agree, it's wrong, but the Kevin Spacey assault topic belongs in the Harvey thread. Not here in the pedophilia thread. I don't know if some here know the difference.

JC29856 · October 2017

X NO PEDO BASHING!

For all we know this could have been a one time thing for Spacey, shouldn't jump to conclusions.

https://www.scribd.com/document/261420719/Jeffrey-Epstein-Flight-Logs-in-PDF-format

F Me In The Brain · October 2017

Perhaps you can educate us.

If you look up the definition of pedophilia on dictionary.com you get:

noun, Psychiatry.

1.

sexual desire in an adult for a child.

Do you not consider 14 to be a child?

Child:
a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl:

Is 26 not an adult?

Adult:
having attained full size and strength; grown up; mature:

oftenreading · October 2017

F Me In The Brain said:

Perhaps you can educate us.

If you look up the definition of pedophilia on dictionary.com you get:

noun, Psychiatry.

1.
sexual desire in an adult for a child.

Do you not consider 14 to be a child?

Child:
a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl:

Is 26 not an adult?

Adult:
having attained full size and strength; grown up; mature:

This is not meant to come across as justifying sexual activity between adults and teens, but pedophilia is generally seen as sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. There is another term for attraction to pubescent but still underage teens - hebephilia (actually, there are several terms, if you know what I mean, but one official term).

F Me In The Brain · October 2017

oftenreading said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Perhaps you can educate us.

If you look up the definition of pedophilia on dictionary.com you get:

noun, Psychiatry.

1.
sexual desire in an adult for a child.

Do you not consider 14 to be a child?

Child:
a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl:

Is 26 not an adult?

Adult:
having attained full size and strength; grown up; mature:

This is not meant to come across as justifying sexual activity between adults and teens, but pedophilia is generally seen as sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. There is another term for attraction to pubescent but still underage teens - hebephilia (actually, there are several terms, if you know what I mean, but one official term).

Thanks for the clarification....he gives me the hebe-jeebies!

Dictionary.com shall be trusted no longer!

JC29856 · October 2017

coincidence that the leading voices against both have been arrested for drugs lately...Feldman and McGowan

dignin · October 2017

oftenreading said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Perhaps you can educate us.

If you look up the definition of pedophilia on dictionary.com you get:

noun, Psychiatry.

1.
sexual desire in an adult for a child.

Do you not consider 14 to be a child?

Child:
a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl:

Is 26 not an adult?

Adult:
having attained full size and strength; grown up; mature:

This is not meant to come across as justifying sexual activity between adults and teens, but pedophilia is generally seen as sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. There is another term for attraction to pubescent but still underage teens - hebephilia (actually, there are several terms, if you know what I mean, but one official term).

Yup.

PJ_Soul · October 2017

oftenreading said:

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up. If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

I don't really know how to take this. If you're saying "in the '80s this sort of behaviour was commonplace in Hollywood parties", then..... maybe. I don't know; I wasn't there. But if you're saying it was commonplace and thereby okay, then no, I don't accept that argument. An adult in their 20s making sexual advances to a young teen is not okay, regardless of the genders involved or the circumstance. The 80s is not so distant that this fact wasn't recognized then.

Well, 1, it wasn't Hollywood.

No, I'm not saying it was generally commonplace. I am specifically thinking about the scene that must have been among the casts of Broadway in New York in 1984. In that context, it may not have been commonplace, but at the very least the time and place fueled such circumstances. More importantly, I'm thinking that it was over 30 years ago, in that context, and he didn't actually assault anyone, and we're just going off of what this one guy says about it more than 30 years later. Sounds like he got drunk and heavily hit on the kid (assuming that's true), and he was rejected, and did not restrain this guy or anything like that. Sounds like the kid was able to say no and leave. Meanwhile, everyone is acting like he raped someone.

PJ_Soul · October 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook.

The weird thing is that he was already out. I really don't understand why he or anyone is acting like he wasn't already out of the closet. It's bizarre and offensive. I have a gay friend who is a MASSIVE Spacey fan, and he's not really bothered by the "incident" at all, but is really bothered by the fact that Spacey somehow drew some weird parallel between the accusation and him being gay (which we all already knew).

As for House of Cards being cancelled... Honestly, with them saying that so fast, I call bullshit. I think they had planned on ending the show after Season 6 all along, and just linked ending it to this scandal to make Netflix look like it cared. Just a guess on my part of course, but surely they wouldn't have acted that quickly otherwise. If it hadn't already been in the works, I think it would have taken a little more thought and planning to definitively cancel one of their biggest shows. But either way, they certainly threw Spacey under the bus by making that announcement today and working it the way they did.

As for the allegation... Ummmm, am I the only one who doesn't really give a shit, given the context and just looking at the info available? I mean, we're talking a bunch of young Broadway actors in 1984 at a drunken Broadway actors party. I fully acknowledge that no adult should be putting the moves on a 14 year old, but realistically, considering the context and the time and scene, I have to give Spacey a pass 30 years later.... Now, that's only if this wasn't attempted rape. From the description the accuser put forth, it doesn't sound like attempted rape. It sounds like a drunken advance. Sorry, I know it's not PC for me to not be completely outraged, but I'm being honest and realistic. I could not be the only one. That said, if a bunch of other people come out saying the same thing, that he regularly pursued kids, that would change things. But this one particular accusation, with the details we have? I really just can't bring myself to think it's that big a deal, given the specific context, and yes, I have thought hard about how much of that is my bias as a Spacey fan... I've decided that none of it is. I would say this about anyone else in the exact same situation. This sounded to me like drunk Spacey got on a bed and basically started trying to get some (likely a pretty common scenario inside that scene in 1984, among the cast of fucking Rent), but the kid got up and left because he wasn't into it. Was the incident more serious than that? Am I missing something?

.... All that said, I would also consider the mindset of the accuser. I mean, did this incident really disturb him deeply for one reason or another? If so, that matters. I have had much more disturbing scenarios happen to me, and I'm not disturbed, but everyone's different. Why did this guy come out with this info now? Because he really feels that Spacey is a child predator? That what he did back then is a good reason to have his career ruined, because he's a predator? If so, okay... I can live with that. I would respect the perspective of the accuser. Or did he come out with this info because it's "the thing to do" right now, but if it wasn't he wouldn't even actually care about it? To me, that makes a big difference.

I should also note that if Spacey fucking did the same thing to a 14 year old now, that would make a huge different too. No, that would be completely unacceptable. But the time and the context matters a lot IMO. I don't think that it's necessarily right to be applying today's standards to actions taken over 30 years ago.

he wasn't actually out. he was the same as jodie foster. everyone "knew", but they never confirmed. well Jodie did eventually, but Spacey never did. until it was convenient for him.

Well he has brought male dates to public events and has said that he's gay in an interview before, so yeah, I would call that actually being out. He just didn't specifically advertise it.

PJ_Soul · October 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up. If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

if a 26 year old man/woman put the moves on my 14 year old daughter, was drunk/sober or a broadway actor/construction worker, I'd go BALLISTIC. none of those details is relevant except the ages of those involved.

I was 17 and nearly dated a 14 year old. I felt weird about it. even though she seemed older than 14, there seemed something off about it.

26? FUCK NO. that's called pedophilia.

Yeah, that's why us 14 year old girls didn't tell our parents anything.
Also, again, pedophilia? How do we even know if Spacey knew the kid's age, or if he wasn't so drunk that didn't even occur to him at the time. How do we know he even know wtf he was doing? How do we know that the age of the guy had anything to do with his advance? If more people come out and say that he tried to get with kids, then yeah, he's a pedophile. I don't think this one incident proves that (we don't even know it really happened, for that matter, though I'm not inclined to argue that).

HughFreakingDillon · October 2017

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook.

The weird thing is that he was already out. I really don't understand why he or anyone is acting like he wasn't already out of the closet. It's bizarre and offensive. I have a gay friend who is a MASSIVE Spacey fan, and he's not really bothered by the "incident" at all, but is really bothered by the fact that Spacey somehow drew some weird parallel between the accusation and him being gay (which we all already knew).

As for House of Cards being cancelled... Honestly, with them saying that so fast, I call bullshit. I think they had planned on ending the show after Season 6 all along, and just linked ending it to this scandal to make Netflix look like it cared. Just a guess on my part of course, but surely they wouldn't have acted that quickly otherwise. If it hadn't already been in the works, I think it would have taken a little more thought and planning to definitively cancel one of their biggest shows. But either way, they certainly threw Spacey under the bus by making that announcement today and working it the way they did.

As for the allegation... Ummmm, am I the only one who doesn't really give a shit, given the context and just looking at the info available? I mean, we're talking a bunch of young Broadway actors in 1984 at a drunken Broadway actors party. I fully acknowledge that no adult should be putting the moves on a 14 year old, but realistically, considering the context and the time and scene, I have to give Spacey a pass 30 years later.... Now, that's only if this wasn't attempted rape. From the description the accuser put forth, it doesn't sound like attempted rape. It sounds like a drunken advance. Sorry, I know it's not PC for me to not be completely outraged, but I'm being honest and realistic. I could not be the only one. That said, if a bunch of other people come out saying the same thing, that he regularly pursued kids, that would change things. But this one particular accusation, with the details we have? I really just can't bring myself to think it's that big a deal, given the specific context, and yes, I have thought hard about how much of that is my bias as a Spacey fan... I've decided that none of it is. I would say this about anyone else in the exact same situation. This sounded to me like drunk Spacey got on a bed and basically started trying to get some (likely a pretty common scenario inside that scene in 1984, among the cast of fucking Rent), but the kid got up and left because he wasn't into it. Was the incident more serious than that? Am I missing something?

.... All that said, I would also consider the mindset of the accuser. I mean, did this incident really disturb him deeply for one reason or another? If so, that matters. I have had much more disturbing scenarios happen to me, and I'm not disturbed, but everyone's different. Why did this guy come out with this info now? Because he really feels that Spacey is a child predator? That what he did back then is a good reason to have his career ruined, because he's a predator? If so, okay... I can live with that. I would respect the perspective of the accuser. Or did he come out with this info because it's "the thing to do" right now, but if it wasn't he wouldn't even actually care about it? To me, that makes a big difference.

I should also note that if Spacey fucking did the same thing to a 14 year old now, that would make a huge different too. No, that would be completely unacceptable. But the time and the context matters a lot IMO. I don't think that it's necessarily right to be applying today's standards to actions taken over 30 years ago.

he wasn't actually out. he was the same as jodie foster. everyone "knew", but they never confirmed. well Jodie did eventually, but Spacey never did. until it was convenient for him.

Well he has brought male dates to public events and has said that he's gay in an interview before, so yeah, I would call that actually being out. He just didn't specifically advertise it.

news to me. I thought he always answered with "none of your business".

Bentleyspop · October 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook.

The weird thing is that he was already out. I really don't understand why he or anyone is acting like he wasn't already out of the closet. It's bizarre and offensive. I have a gay friend who is a MASSIVE Spacey fan, and he's not really bothered by the "incident" at all, but is really bothered by the fact that Spacey somehow drew some weird parallel between the accusation and him being gay (which we all already knew).

As for House of Cards being cancelled... Honestly, with them saying that so fast, I call bullshit. I think they had planned on ending the show after Season 6 all along, and just linked ending it to this scandal to make Netflix look like it cared. Just a guess on my part of course, but surely they wouldn't have acted that quickly otherwise. If it hadn't already been in the works, I think it would have taken a little more thought and planning to definitively cancel one of their biggest shows. But either way, they certainly threw Spacey under the bus by making that announcement today and working it the way they did.

As for the allegation... Ummmm, am I the only one who doesn't really give a shit, given the context and just looking at the info available? I mean, we're talking a bunch of young Broadway actors in 1984 at a drunken Broadway actors party. I fully acknowledge that no adult should be putting the moves on a 14 year old, but realistically, considering the context and the time and scene, I have to give Spacey a pass 30 years later.... Now, that's only if this wasn't attempted rape. From the description the accuser put forth, it doesn't sound like attempted rape. It sounds like a drunken advance. Sorry, I know it's not PC for me to not be completely outraged, but I'm being honest and realistic. I could not be the only one. That said, if a bunch of other people come out saying the same thing, that he regularly pursued kids, that would change things. But this one particular accusation, with the details we have? I really just can't bring myself to think it's that big a deal, given the specific context, and yes, I have thought hard about how much of that is my bias as a Spacey fan... I've decided that none of it is. I would say this about anyone else in the exact same situation. This sounded to me like drunk Spacey got on a bed and basically started trying to get some (likely a pretty common scenario inside that scene in 1984, among the cast of fucking Rent), but the kid got up and left because he wasn't into it. Was the incident more serious than that? Am I missing something?

.... All that said, I would also consider the mindset of the accuser. I mean, did this incident really disturb him deeply for one reason or another? If so, that matters. I have had much more disturbing scenarios happen to me, and I'm not disturbed, but everyone's different. Why did this guy come out with this info now? Because he really feels that Spacey is a child predator? That what he did back then is a good reason to have his career ruined, because he's a predator? If so, okay... I can live with that. I would respect the perspective of the accuser. Or did he come out with this info because it's "the thing to do" right now, but if it wasn't he wouldn't even actually care about it? To me, that makes a big difference.

I should also note that if Spacey fucking did the same thing to a 14 year old now, that would make a huge different too. No, that would be completely unacceptable. But the time and the context matters a lot IMO. I don't think that it's necessarily right to be applying today's standards to actions taken over 30 years ago.

he wasn't actually out. he was the same as jodie foster. everyone "knew", but they never confirmed. well Jodie did eventually, but Spacey never did. until it was convenient for him.

Well he has brought male dates to public events and has said that he's gay in an interview before, so yeah, I would call that actually being out. He just didn't specifically advertise it.

news to me. I thought he always answered with "none of your business".

I'm like a lot of people in that I thought he was already out.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2017

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up. If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

if a 26 year old man/woman put the moves on my 14 year old daughter, was drunk/sober or a broadway actor/construction worker, I'd go BALLISTIC. none of those details is relevant except the ages of those involved.

I was 17 and nearly dated a 14 year old. I felt weird about it. even though she seemed older than 14, there seemed something off about it.

26? FUCK NO. that's called pedophilia.

Yeah, that's why us 14 year old girls didn't tell our parents anything.
Also, again, pedophilia? How do we even know if Spacey knew the kid's age, or if he wasn't so drunk that didn't even occur to him at the time. How do we know he even know wtf he was doing? How do we know that the age of the guy had anything to do with his advance? If more people come out and say that he tried to get with kids, then yeah, he's a pedophile. I don't think this one incident proves that (we don't even know it really happened, for that matter, though I'm not inclined to argue that).

it's pretty easy to determine if a boy is 14 or 18. not at ALL difficult to figure that out. since when is being drunk a defense? i have never been drunk and all of a sudden been interested in a minor. or not been able to figure out the difference between a 14 year old and an 18 year old. if there's a question, air on the side of caution.

plus, he's not denying it. what he is doing, is:

-apologizing for his "drunken conduct" (in effect making it a non-apology, or at least excusing it)
-announcing to the world in the same statement he's choosing to live life as a gay man, thus forging a line between being gay and being a child molester. something the LGBT community has fought against for decades. it's irresponsible and in poor taste at best, disgusting at worst. basically, he's deflecting, making sure the conversation is about his orientation and not his fondness for underage boys.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2017

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up. If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

if a 26 year old man/woman put the moves on my 14 year old daughter, was drunk/sober or a broadway actor/construction worker, I'd go BALLISTIC. none of those details is relevant except the ages of those involved.

I was 17 and nearly dated a 14 year old. I felt weird about it. even though she seemed older than 14, there seemed something off about it.

26? FUCK NO. that's called pedophilia.

Yeah, that's why us 14 year old girls didn't tell our parents anything.
Also, again, pedophilia? How do we even know if Spacey knew the kid's age, or if he wasn't so drunk that didn't even occur to him at the time. How do we know he even know wtf he was doing? How do we know that the age of the guy had anything to do with his advance? If more people come out and say that he tried to get with kids, then yeah, he's a pedophile. I don't think this one incident proves that (we don't even know it really happened, for that matter, though I'm not inclined to argue that).

my point about "going ballistic" is that nothing is relevant except the age. the circumstances or the "culture" are irrelevant. that comment is dangerously close to blaming the parent for their potential reaction for the reason people don't come forward about abuse.

tempo_n_groove · October 2017

JC29856 said:

coincidence that the leading voices against both have been arrested for drugs lately...Feldman and McGowan

Feldman has been on and off again for drugs for years. That's not a shocking story...

mace1229 · October 2017

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up. If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

if a 26 year old man/woman put the moves on my 14 year old daughter, was drunk/sober or a broadway actor/construction worker, I'd go BALLISTIC. none of those details is relevant except the ages of those involved.

I was 17 and nearly dated a 14 year old. I felt weird about it. even though she seemed older than 14, there seemed something off about it.

26? FUCK NO. that's called pedophilia.

Yeah, that's why us 14 year old girls didn't tell our parents anything.
Also, again, pedophilia? How do we even know if Spacey knew the kid's age, or if he wasn't so drunk that didn't even occur to him at the time. How do we know he even know wtf he was doing? How do we know that the age of the guy had anything to do with his advance? If more people come out and say that he tried to get with kids, then yeah, he's a pedophile. I don't think this one incident proves that (we don't even know it really happened, for that matter, though I'm not inclined to argue that).

I actually agree with all of your posts. I just didn't want to be the first to say it.
Not that it isn't gross, but there's so much we don't know. And from what little I did here it was one advance that the kid had no trouble resisting. I wouldn't be ready to label him a pedophile from this.
I'm not a Spacey fan. I definitely wouldn't be inviting him to my kid's birthday party. I think it sucks for the 1000 other people on the show who rely on this for work that they cancel it. I have friends in the business who are grips and assistance to producers and stuff, I'd be pissed if I was out of a job for one thing the star did 30 years ago.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2017

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up. If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

if a 26 year old man/woman put the moves on my 14 year old daughter, was drunk/sober or a broadway actor/construction worker, I'd go BALLISTIC. none of those details is relevant except the ages of those involved.

I was 17 and nearly dated a 14 year old. I felt weird about it. even though she seemed older than 14, there seemed something off about it.

26? FUCK NO. that's called pedophilia.

Yeah, that's why us 14 year old girls didn't tell our parents anything.
Also, again, pedophilia? How do we even know if Spacey knew the kid's age, or if he wasn't so drunk that didn't even occur to him at the time. How do we know he even know wtf he was doing? How do we know that the age of the guy had anything to do with his advance? If more people come out and say that he tried to get with kids, then yeah, he's a pedophile. I don't think this one incident proves that (we don't even know it really happened, for that matter, though I'm not inclined to argue that).

I actually agree with all of your posts. I just didn't want to be the first to say it.
Not that it isn't gross, but there's so much we don't know. And from what little I did here it was one advance that the kid had no trouble resisting. I wouldn't be ready to label him a pedophile from this.
I'm not a Spacey fan. I definitely wouldn't be inviting him to my kid's birthday party. I think it sucks for the 1000 other people on the show who rely on this for work that they cancel it. I have friends in the business who are grips and assistance to producers and stuff, I'd be pissed if I was out of a job for one thing the star did 30 years ago.

If you really believe it, why be afraid to say it?

that being said, I'm pretty flabbergasted how people can think that a 26 year old making a pass at a 14 year old is "not a big deal". it's fucking disgusting IMO. and just because he didn't assault the kid, it's no big deal? is this just because people are fans of Kevin Spacey or because they've been in similar relationships/situations?

what is up with all these hollywood pedos?

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