what is up with all these hollywood pedos?

CM189191

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

what is up with all these Republican pedos? well known political party appears to be a haven for child sex abusers, criminal activity, and multiple convictions Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable. Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy. Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls. Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester. Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls. Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls. Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor. Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida. Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered. Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. ....the list goes on....

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? That since a teacher who was arrested was also republican, this is a republican issue?
I'm sorry, but there are lots of teachers every year arrested for this, many of which are not republican. I dont see why he would be included on the list. Which makes me assume a list like this is completely irrelevant, and anyone willing to spent 5 minutes looking up pedos can find a list regardless of their political affiliation. 

I think the point was that it isn't only a Dem issue, which is what was being implied. 

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!

PJPOWER

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!

Yeah, he’s screwed.  Pretty sure there is no statute of limitations for child abuse of this sort.

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!

That was amazingly quick. do you think Netflix already had it in their hand that this would be the last season, only to use this as a way to get a positive spin out of this?

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!

rosie odonell claims he is another in a long line of people in hollywood "everyone knew about". 

mace1229

PJPOWER said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!

Yeah, he’s screwed.  Pretty sure there is no statute of limitations for child abuse of this sort.

Actually, I think its 20 years. I know because a family member came out about abuse 25 years after it happened. 
Even if there isn't, it is next to impossible to ave enough to prosecute someone 30 years after it happened in a word against word case like this.

PJPOWER

mace1229 said:

PJPOWER said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!

Yeah, he’s screwed.  Pretty sure there is no statute of limitations for child abuse of this sort.

Actually, I think its 20 years. I know because a family member came out about abuse 25 years after it happened. 
Even if there isn't, it is next to impossible to ave enough to prosecute someone 30 years after it happened in a word against word case like this.

Maybe so...Regardless, I think we can all agree that House if Cards had run its course, lol

F Me In The Brain

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!

rosie odonell claims he is another in a long line of people in hollywood "everyone knew about". 

Can someone please share the rest of this long line?
I hate it when people say things like this.
Oh well, should expect that from her.  I am last in line at her fan club.  Well, I guess 2nd to last as President Dump would be at the end.

Bentleyspop

PJPOWER said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!

Yeah, he’s screwed.  Pretty sure there is no statute of limitations for child abuse of this sort.

As I mentioned in another thread......different states have different statutes.

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!

rosie odonell claims he is another in a long line of people in hollywood "everyone knew about". 

Good for her for saying something earlier!

Oh wait, she didn't, did she?

Saying something now is just as bad as NOT saying something before...

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

The weird thing is that he was already out. I really don't understand why he or anyone is acting like he wasn't already out of the closet. It's bizarre and offensive. I have a gay friend who is a MASSIVE Spacey fan, and he's not really bothered by the "incident" at all, but is really bothered by the fact that Spacey somehow drew some weird parallel between the accusation and him being gay (which we all already knew).

As for House of Cards being cancelled... Honestly, with them saying that so fast, I call bullshit. I think they had planned on ending the show after Season 6 all along, and just linked ending it to this scandal to make Netflix look like it cared. Just a guess on my part of course, but surely they wouldn't have acted that quickly otherwise. If it hadn't already been in the works, I think it would have taken a little more thought and planning to definitively cancel one of their biggest shows. But either way, they certainly threw Spacey under the bus by making that announcement today and working it the way they did.

As for the allegation... Ummmm, am I the only one who doesn't really give a shit, given the context and just looking at the info available? I mean, we're talking a bunch of young Broadway actors in 1984 at a drunken Broadway actors party. I fully acknowledge that no adult should be putting the moves on a 14 year old, but realistically, considering the context and the time and scene, I have to give Spacey a pass 30 years later.... Now, that's only if this wasn't attempted rape. From the description the accuser put forth, it doesn't sound like attempted rape. It sounds like a drunken advance. Sorry, I know it's not PC for me to not be completely outraged, but I'm being honest and realistic. I could not be the only one. That said, if a bunch of other people come out saying the same thing, that he regularly pursued kids, that would change things. But this one particular accusation, with the details we have? I really just can't bring myself to think it's that big a deal, given the specific context, and yes, I have thought hard about how much of that is my bias as a Spacey fan... I've decided that none of it is. I would say this about anyone else in the exact same situation. This sounded to me like drunk Spacey got on a bed and basically started trying to get some (likely a pretty common scenario inside that scene in 1984, among the cast of fucking Rent), but the kid got up and left because he wasn't into it. Was the incident more serious than that? Am I missing something?

.... All that said, I would also consider the mindset of the accuser. I mean, did this incident really disturb him deeply for one reason or another? If so, that matters. I have had much more disturbing scenarios happen to me, and I'm not disturbed, but everyone's different. Why did this guy come out with this info now? Because he really feels that Spacey is a child predator? That what he did back then is a good reason to have his career ruined, because he's a predator? If so, okay... I can live with that. I would respect the perspective of the accuser. Or did he come out with this info because it's "the thing to do" right now, but if it wasn't he wouldn't even actually care about it? To me, that makes a big difference.

I should also note that if Spacey fucking did the same thing to a 14 year old now, that would make a huge different too. No, that would be completely unacceptable. But the time and the context matters a lot IMO. I don't think that it's necessarily right to be applying today's standards to actions taken over 30 years ago.

F Me In The Brain

I think what he did was fucked up.  If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.  

PJ_Soul

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up.  If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.  

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

F Me In The Brain

I think that by saying 'Broadway Actors in 1984' you are looking past a great many things.
Fraternity Party, 1984?  Hey, everyone is on coke and everyone is fuckin'....so it is fine to bring a 14 year old in that is out going from party to party, and to try and bang her.
That is ridiculous, to me.  (I recognize this is my opinion and doesn't need to be the opinion of anyone else.)
If he were 18 I wouldnt think much of it. 
14.  With a 26 year old.

In high school (granted this was 5-6 years later in 1989-90) I dated a 15 year old as a 17 year old. I was worried about us having sex as bf and gf.  I knew her family, they knew we were active, both of her parent spoke to us about using protection.  I was always freaked out that it was actually illegal.
I was 17.
A shithead junior in High School.
I was worried about it being 'ok' and/or 'legal' for me to be having consentual sex with my 15 year old gf, whose parents knew about it.

This fucker is an established actor trying to dick a 14 year old as a 26 year old.  Umm, sorry, not buying it.

Go back to the fraternity party example....they told us as clearly as they possibly could @ the fraternity.  If a girl is drinking and after the fact of sexual contact claims rape...it is a situation where the man is going to be guilty until proven innocent.  It did not matter one bit if the guy was drinking or not.

Again, I was a 18 year old moron with hormones raging and a belly full of booze.  You better believe that every girl I had sex with confirmed repeatedly that she wanted to do what we were doing and that if she was thrashed we didnt have sex.  (*edit -- actually as I was re-reading this I remembered that I hooked up with a girl at a party and the next morning she told me she had lied and was actually a senior in high school.  I was a freshman in college --- one year difference and I was freaked out.  This is as simple as knowing right from wrong, to me.  A 12 year age gap at that time is so far above and beyond obvious as being inappropriate and gross.)

All of this is just my opinion --- but I think to give this fucker a pass for doing this because of time and place is incorrect. 

He was 26. 

I was drunk has not been an acceptable excuse for a long, long time. 

My two cents.

oftenreading

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up.  If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.  

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

I don't really know how to take this. If you're saying "in the '80s this sort of behaviour was commonplace in Hollywood parties", then..... maybe. I don't know; I wasn't there. But if you're saying it was commonplace and thereby okay, then no, I don't accept that argument. An adult in their 20s making sexual advances to a young teen is not okay, regardless of the genders involved or the circumstance. The 80s is not so distant that this fact wasn't recognized then. 

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

The weird thing is that he was already out. I really don't understand why he or anyone is acting like he wasn't already out of the closet. It's bizarre and offensive. I have a gay friend who is a MASSIVE Spacey fan, and he's not really bothered by the "incident" at all, but is really bothered by the fact that Spacey somehow drew some weird parallel between the accusation and him being gay (which we all already knew).

As for House of Cards being cancelled... Honestly, with them saying that so fast, I call bullshit. I think they had planned on ending the show after Season 6 all along, and just linked ending it to this scandal to make Netflix look like it cared. Just a guess on my part of course, but surely they wouldn't have acted that quickly otherwise. If it hadn't already been in the works, I think it would have taken a little more thought and planning to definitively cancel one of their biggest shows. But either way, they certainly threw Spacey under the bus by making that announcement today and working it the way they did.

As for the allegation... Ummmm, am I the only one who doesn't really give a shit, given the context and just looking at the info available? I mean, we're talking a bunch of young Broadway actors in 1984 at a drunken Broadway actors party. I fully acknowledge that no adult should be putting the moves on a 14 year old, but realistically, considering the context and the time and scene, I have to give Spacey a pass 30 years later.... Now, that's only if this wasn't attempted rape. From the description the accuser put forth, it doesn't sound like attempted rape. It sounds like a drunken advance. Sorry, I know it's not PC for me to not be completely outraged, but I'm being honest and realistic. I could not be the only one. That said, if a bunch of other people come out saying the same thing, that he regularly pursued kids, that would change things. But this one particular accusation, with the details we have? I really just can't bring myself to think it's that big a deal, given the specific context, and yes, I have thought hard about how much of that is my bias as a Spacey fan... I've decided that none of it is. I would say this about anyone else in the exact same situation. This sounded to me like drunk Spacey got on a bed and basically started trying to get some (likely a pretty common scenario inside that scene in 1984, among the cast of fucking Rent), but the kid got up and left because he wasn't into it. Was the incident more serious than that? Am I missing something?

.... All that said, I would also consider the mindset of the accuser. I mean, did this incident really disturb him deeply for one reason or another? If so, that matters. I have had much more disturbing scenarios happen to me, and I'm not disturbed, but everyone's different. Why did this guy come out with this info now? Because he really feels that Spacey is a child predator? That what he did back then is a good reason to have his career ruined, because he's a predator? If so, okay... I can live with that. I would respect the perspective of the accuser. Or did he come out with this info because it's "the thing to do" right now, but if it wasn't he wouldn't even actually care about it? To me, that makes a big difference.

I should also note that if Spacey fucking did the same thing to a 14 year old now, that would make a huge different too. No, that would be completely unacceptable. But the time and the context matters a lot IMO. I don't think that it's necessarily right to be applying today's standards to actions taken over 30 years ago.

he wasn't actually out. he was the same as jodie foster. everyone "knew", but they never confirmed. well Jodie did eventually, but Spacey never did. until it was convenient for him. 

HughFreakingDillon

F Me In The Brain said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!

rosie odonell claims he is another in a long line of people in hollywood "everyone knew about". 

Can someone please share the rest of this long line?
I hate it when people say things like this.
Oh well, should expect that from her.  I am last in line at her fan club.  Well, I guess 2nd to last as President Dump would be at the end.

someone asked her this on twitter, she replied "not my secret to tell". BULLSHIT. she was as afraid of being ostracized by the hollywood community as all the other celebs that "knew" and didn't say anything. she didn't have to name names of victims. but she could have said something. 

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I think what he did was fucked up.  If it were a guy to a girl in the same circumstances it would be seen as bad, imo.  

I disagree, if you mean everything else was also equal. I don't think the gender of the accuser is relevant at all. I also think that if it happened today it would be completely unacceptable. But man, Broadway actors in 1984? That is a whoooole other world, and I think that is actually relevant, based on the info we have (i.e. it was an advance, not an assault... If it were an assault, I wouldn't be saying this).

if a 26 year old man/woman put the moves on my 14 year old daughter, was drunk/sober or a broadway actor/construction worker, I'd go BALLISTIC. none of those details is relevant except the ages of those involved. 

I was 17 and nearly dated a 14 year old. I felt weird about it. even though she seemed older than 14, there seemed something off about it. 

26? FUCK NO. that's called pedophilia. 

mace1229

sort of puts  whole new twist on "American Beauty" doesn't it? Guess the neighbor was right all along.

CM189191

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

JC29856 said:

Kevin Spacey accused of trying to have sexual relations with a 14 year old boy, his reply, I was intoxicated and oh by the way I'm gay. True story.
Even I could do better than he and his publicists.

but it worked. all the headlines are "kevin spacey comes out as gay". very little about the admission of guilt. straight from the trump playbook. 

This is bullshit and a few other people are calling him out too.

House of Cards is now cancelled!