what is up with all these hollywood pedos?

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,656
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Did you skip over the multiple responses where people indicated that he apologized for doing it?
    More will come out about this guy being a shitrag, I am sure of it.
    I didn't need to see the posts, I read his own post. I've already said how I feel about it even if it did happen like that guy says it did. Also, I see no reason to assume he actually remembers doing it, even if he did apologize. I'm also not saying he doesn't remember it. I don't know, and neither do any of you. But wow, I'm shocked by how everyone is now judge, jury, and executioner.
    If more comes out, I will be completely willing to change my outlook in tune with the information I have. This is how I view all cases like this.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    What if that kid hadn't been able to physically resist Spacey?  The fact that an attempt didn't come to fruition doesn't take away from the attempt itself.

    Jesus.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,656
    edited October 2017
    hedonist said:
    What if that kid hadn't been able to physically resist Spacey?  The fact that an attempt didn't come to fruition doesn't take away from the attempt itself.

    Jesus.

    I really appreciate some of the comments here.  Thank you.
    Well that would turn it from an advance to an assault, so would change everything. I think the question is a little weird (and also informs me as to where people's heads are at right now - basically inflating the account to make it seem worse than it was). It implies that the kid actually fought off Spacey and won the fight, and if he hadn't Spacey would have raped him. That is not what happened based on the accuser's account. His account suggests that Spacey gave it a solid shot and was rejected, and the kid was able to leave. There was no fight or struggle that Spacey lost as far as I've read. What you're describing is attempted rape, which is not what he's being accused of. I believe the most he could be accused of is sexual misconduct (not even - obviously the statute of limitations is in effect... and that statute does have a common sense purpose, pretty much based on the kinds of arguments I'm putting forth here).
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Fine, not physically resist but not able to "reject".  Semantics?  I don't know.  The act and intent themselves are fucked up.

    And...no one, including yourself, knows my very own mindset...and I'm pretty sure I know myself well enough to know that I'm not inflating shit  That would be as silly as my accusing you of deflating.  We - as you, and others - draw on our own experiences and common sense.  It's great if you can be distant about this and firm in your beliefs, PJ, even with your own history - but for others to react differently, to think differently, is no less a valid and thoughtful response than anyone else's.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,656
    I understand what you're saying, but the thing is, these accusations are currently ruining a man's life because everyone is assuming the accusation means Spacey is a pedophile (at best?). All we have is one account that this dude sent to buzzfeed. I do NOT victim shame. But I also don't leap to conclusions with one accusation about something that happened decades ago, with no corroboration and no evidence and no way to know if the account is even accurate, and even if it is, context and circumstances may play a huge role in the one incident. Show me a pattern that proves he's a pedophile and a predator and I'll be right there with you guys. Until then I have to stay objective because I think the alternative is akin to mob mentality and rejects the basic tenets of justice in our society. Yeah, I think I am saying that to react differently right now, with the info available, is indeed less valid for the same reasons that act as the backbone of our justice system.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Whatever he's labeled, I now think of him as a piece of shit who crossed the line, for whatever reasons some may be willing (or not) to forgive of him.

    In the end, anyone's decree of how worthy my opinion is...really doesn't matter, I guess.  I'm cool with where I am on this for now.


  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,800
    edited November 2017
    I have an extra pitchfork for you Hedo.
    "Piece of trash, piece of trash!"
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I'll take and brandish it con brio, my brother.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    The alleged victim was 14. That means that there is no evidence that Spacey is a pedophile.

    A creep, yes. A pedophile, no.

    So he is not, as of yet, a "Hollywood pedo".
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    PJ_Soul said:
    And what if the guy made it up or totally exaggerated the experience in him own mind over the years? I take it everyone here requires absolutely no proof, or even a demonstration of a pattern of behaviour now? I feel like everyone has just said screw it, let's join the mob. Where's the fucking pitch fork? As with ALL cases like this, I require more than one accusation of something that happened a lifetime ago. Show me that pattern of behaviour, show me more accusers, and I'm on board. Without at least that, nope, I'm not joining the mob. I have known good people who have been taken down by one false or exaggerated allegation. It happens. I have also known people who reformed their memories to make it much worse than reality. I have minimal standards. I don't think that is unreasonable.
    I feel like you are just ignoring pretty much everything everyone here is saying. as F Me stated, we have all stated several times that Spacey is NOT DENYING IT. If this was out of character for him, he'd be adamantly denying it. He is making light of it, AND APOLOGIZED FOR IT. How is that not an admission of guilt? or, at the very least, "it's very possible I did it". as I also stated, I am not joining any mob. I was one of the last to actually jump on the Cosby is a rapist bandwagon, as I am always skeptical about this type of shit, for my own, very personal reasons. 

    I understand this doesn't fit the specific parameters of being pedophilia, but just as an aside, most people accused of pedophilia aren't actual pedophiles. the assaults are actually a crime of opportunity, which is what this might be here. but it might not be. 

    I didn't even know that he physically lifted him up and laid on top of him after carrying him to a room against his will. if any adult man did that to any adult woman, that would be considered assault. I'm not sure why you don't care about this just because "it may be a one-off". and don't seem to care that is on the low end of being a teenager. You don't get a pass for a one-off. not sober, not drunk, not nothing. 

    was it no big deal when someone grabbed your p**** at that festival you mentioned some time ago? the guy was drunk. it was a mistake. it was a one-off. does that excuse it?
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And what if the guy made it up or totally exaggerated the experience in him own mind over the years? I take it everyone here requires absolutely no proof, or even a demonstration of a pattern of behaviour now? I feel like everyone has just said screw it, let's join the mob. Where's the fucking pitch fork? As with ALL cases like this, I require more than one accusation of something that happened a lifetime ago. Show me that pattern of behaviour, show me more accusers, and I'm on board. Without at least that, nope, I'm not joining the mob. I have known good people who have been taken down by one false or exaggerated allegation. It happens. I have also known people who reformed their memories to make it much worse than reality. I have minimal standards. I don't think that is unreasonable.


    was it no big deal when someone grabbed your p**** at that festival you mentioned some time ago? the guy was drunk. it was a mistake. it was a one-off. does that excuse it?
    No need to make this personal, that's out of line.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    edited November 2017
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And what if the guy made it up or totally exaggerated the experience in him own mind over the years? I take it everyone here requires absolutely no proof, or even a demonstration of a pattern of behaviour now? I feel like everyone has just said screw it, let's join the mob. Where's the fucking pitch fork? As with ALL cases like this, I require more than one accusation of something that happened a lifetime ago. Show me that pattern of behaviour, show me more accusers, and I'm on board. Without at least that, nope, I'm not joining the mob. I have known good people who have been taken down by one false or exaggerated allegation. It happens. I have also known people who reformed their memories to make it much worse than reality. I have minimal standards. I don't think that is unreasonable.


    was it no big deal when someone grabbed your p**** at that festival you mentioned some time ago? the guy was drunk. it was a mistake. it was a one-off. does that excuse it?
    No need to make this personal, that's out of line.
    no it's not. she mentioned this a long time ago in the context of trump in a public forum (which makes it fair game). she was disgusted by it. I'm wondering why the inconsistency in position. 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And what if the guy made it up or totally exaggerated the experience in him own mind over the years? I take it everyone here requires absolutely no proof, or even a demonstration of a pattern of behaviour now? I feel like everyone has just said screw it, let's join the mob. Where's the fucking pitch fork? As with ALL cases like this, I require more than one accusation of something that happened a lifetime ago. Show me that pattern of behaviour, show me more accusers, and I'm on board. Without at least that, nope, I'm not joining the mob. I have known good people who have been taken down by one false or exaggerated allegation. It happens. I have also known people who reformed their memories to make it much worse than reality. I have minimal standards. I don't think that is unreasonable.


    was it no big deal when someone grabbed your p**** at that festival you mentioned some time ago? the guy was drunk. it was a mistake. it was a one-off. does that excuse it?
    No need to make this personal, that's out of line.
    no it's not. she mentioned this a long time ago in the context of trump in a public forum (which makes it fair game). she was disgusted by it. I'm wondering why the inconsistency in position. 
    If a person wants to bring up their personal history in this context that is their business, not yours.

    A possibly traumatic event shouldn't be used against them, that's low from my point of view.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And what if the guy made it up or totally exaggerated the experience in him own mind over the years? I take it everyone here requires absolutely no proof, or even a demonstration of a pattern of behaviour now? I feel like everyone has just said screw it, let's join the mob. Where's the fucking pitch fork? As with ALL cases like this, I require more than one accusation of something that happened a lifetime ago. Show me that pattern of behaviour, show me more accusers, and I'm on board. Without at least that, nope, I'm not joining the mob. I have known good people who have been taken down by one false or exaggerated allegation. It happens. I have also known people who reformed their memories to make it much worse than reality. I have minimal standards. I don't think that is unreasonable.


    was it no big deal when someone grabbed your p**** at that festival you mentioned some time ago? the guy was drunk. it was a mistake. it was a one-off. does that excuse it?
    No need to make this personal, that's out of line.
    no it's not. she mentioned this a long time ago in the context of trump in a public forum (which makes it fair game). she was disgusted by it. I'm wondering why the inconsistency in position. 
    If a person wants to bring up their personal history in this context that is their business, not yours.

    A possibly traumatic event shouldn't be used against them, that's low from my point of view.
    oh please. she's brushing this off as "no big deal" unless it's a pattern. my question is relevant given past statements on a public forum. 
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    "a matt lauer beauty", matt could give a shit about abuse he wants dirty laundry, he wants names and its feldmans fault bec he wont name names. ml"you've said you were going to name names" cf "never"
    it is puzzling why feldman is asking for $10mil

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XnnzP9ipMU

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JC29856 said:
    "a matt lauer beauty", matt could give a shit about abuse he wants dirty laundry, he wants names and its feldmans fault bec he wont name names. ml"you've said you were going to name names" cf "never"
    it is puzzling why feldman is asking for $10mil

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XnnzP9ipMU

    cory haim's mother says he is a scam artist. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    just because we disagree, doesn't mean you are the only one being objective, @PJ_Soul. we are going by the same info you are. you just seem to think this is "no big deal" even if it did happen as described. that's the difference. 
    I think 26 and 14 is gross. and it's actually illegal. assault or no assault. it's gross and illegal. that can't be debated in my opinion. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    dignin said:
    The alleged victim was 14. That means that there is no evidence that Spacey is a pedophile.

    A creep, yes. A pedophile, no.

    So he is not, as of yet, a "Hollywood pedo".
    close enough. and it's illegal. I say it applies. 
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JC29856 said:
    "a matt lauer beauty", matt could give a shit about abuse he wants dirty laundry, he wants names and its feldmans fault bec he wont name names. ml"you've said you were going to name names" cf "never"
    it is puzzling why feldman is asking for $10mil

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XnnzP9ipMU

    cory haim's mother says he is a scam artist. 
    she also says no pedo problem in hollywood...jury still out
    feldman says she guilty for prostituting her son for fame and fortune

    who knows, the $10m thingy may be a scam but I dont think he is a scam artist? what who else did he scam?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    JC29856 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JC29856 said:
    "a matt lauer beauty", matt could give a shit about abuse he wants dirty laundry, he wants names and its feldmans fault bec he wont name names. ml"you've said you were going to name names" cf "never"
    it is puzzling why feldman is asking for $10mil

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XnnzP9ipMU

    cory haim's mother says he is a scam artist. 
    she also says no pedo problem in hollywood...jury still out
    feldman says she guilty for prostituting her son for fame and fortune

    who knows, the $10m thingy may be a scam but I dont think he is a scam artist? what who else did he scam?
    no idea. you seem to know more than I do about this. LOL
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