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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    dignin said:
    BS44325 said:
    Gee I wonder why the GOP omitted the part about this originally being ordered and funded by the GOP. Either way, what matters is not who paid for it but the subject matter as it has been corroborated:

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/rnc-sends-wapo-dossier-story-out-curiously-removes-line-on-republican-funding/amp/
    The GOP funding preceded the hiring of Steele and the production of the dossier. It was the DNC/Clinton campaign who paid for Russian intelligence to target a political component. 
    If only you held the Trump campaign to the same standards, but that doesn't fit your bias.
    You just knew this non news story would bring these people out of their caves today. Notice how they are conveniently ignoring the fact that the dossier has been corroborated? Who cares who paid for it when the stuff in it is true....
    Exactly. The focus is on the wrong thing here. And why the poster on here talking about how information came from Russians so it must be flawed. No. I trust Russian civilians just as much as I trust American citizens. The problem is that the Trump campaign met with arms of the Russian GOVERNMENT. Not Russian CITIZENS, where the information from the dossier was obtained. And if someone can’t understand the difference between the two, than they’re just blind. Completely and willingly blind. 
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    JC29856 said:
    dignin said:
    BS44325 said:
    Gee I wonder why the GOP omitted the part about this originally being ordered and funded by the GOP. Either way, what matters is not who paid for it but the subject matter as it has been corroborated:

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/rnc-sends-wapo-dossier-story-out-curiously-removes-line-on-republican-funding/amp/
    The GOP funding preceded the hiring of Steele and the production of the dossier. It was the DNC/Clinton campaign who paid for Russian intelligence to target a political component. 
    If only you held the Trump campaign to the same standards, but that doesn't fit your bias.
    You just knew this non news story would bring these people out of their caves today. Notice how they are conveniently ignoring the fact that the dossier has been corroborated? Who cares who paid for it when the stuff in it is true....
    Tell us what parts are true?
    While you're at it explain why the DNC maintained for a year they had nothing to do with it?
    Why? Because in campaigns and politics you don’t tip your hand as to how you get your information. 
    This isn’t that hard to explain if you think with reason. 
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:
    BS44325 said:
    Gee I wonder why the GOP omitted the part about this originally being ordered and funded by the GOP. Either way, what matters is not who paid for it but the subject matter as it has been corroborated:

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/rnc-sends-wapo-dossier-story-out-curiously-removes-line-on-republican-funding/amp/
    The GOP funding preceded the hiring of Steele and the production of the dossier. It was the DNC/Clinton campaign who paid for Russian intelligence to target a political component. 
    If only you held the Trump campaign to the same standards, but that doesn't fit your bias.
    You just knew this non news story would bring these people out of their caves today. Notice how they are conveniently ignoring the fact that the dossier has been corroborated? Who cares who paid for it when the stuff in it is true....
    Corroborated by whom?
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    JC29856 said:
    dignin said:
    BS44325 said:
    Gee I wonder why the GOP omitted the part about this originally being ordered and funded by the GOP. Either way, what matters is not who paid for it but the subject matter as it has been corroborated:

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/rnc-sends-wapo-dossier-story-out-curiously-removes-line-on-republican-funding/amp/
    The GOP funding preceded the hiring of Steele and the production of the dossier. It was the DNC/Clinton campaign who paid for Russian intelligence to target a political component. 
    If only you held the Trump campaign to the same standards, but that doesn't fit your bias.
    You just knew this non news story would bring these people out of their caves today. Notice how they are conveniently ignoring the fact that the dossier has been corroborated? Who cares who paid for it when the stuff in it is true....
    Tell us what parts are true?
    While you're at it explain why the DNC maintained for a year they had nothing to do with it?

    It's a long read but I don't believe anything has changed since I posted the link a month ago. CNN reported the dems picked it up from the repubs in January. Stuff is pretty common in politics.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/09/a_lot_of_the_steele_dossier_has_since_been_corroborated.html

    Dems did not pick up dossier from GOP. Dems funded creation of dossier after GOP exited.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:
    BS44325 said:
    Gee I wonder why the GOP omitted the part about this originally being ordered and funded by the GOP. Either way, what matters is not who paid for it but the subject matter as it has been corroborated:

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/rnc-sends-wapo-dossier-story-out-curiously-removes-line-on-republican-funding/amp/
    The GOP funding preceded the hiring of Steele and the production of the dossier. It was the DNC/Clinton campaign who paid for Russian intelligence to target a political component. 
    If only you held the Trump campaign to the same standards, but that doesn't fit your bias.
    You just knew this non news story would bring these people out of their caves today. Notice how they are conveniently ignoring the fact that the dossier has been corroborated? Who cares who paid for it when the stuff in it is true....
    Exactly. The focus is on the wrong thing here. And why the poster on here talking about how information came from Russians so it must be flawed. No. I trust Russian civilians just as much as I trust American citizens. The problem is that the Trump campaign met with arms of the Russian GOVERNMENT. Not Russian CITIZENS, where the information from the dossier was obtained. And if someone can’t understand the difference between the two, than they’re just blind. Completely and willingly blind. 
    The Podesta group met with arms of the Russian Government. Arms of the Russian government made large donations to the Clinton Foundation. Arms of the Russian government paid Clinton large sums for speaking appearances. It is you who are willingly blind. The corruptiom you accuse Trump of was going on for years during the Obama afministration. You don’t want that to be the story. It can’t be the story. The Trump Organization was doing personal business deals with Russians. The Obama Administation was selling Russians uranium while lining their own pockets.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,966
    I feel like the dossier was likely shopped around after the GOP exit. They had the info, why not find a new place to sell the research.
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Kat said:
    I feel like the dossier was likely shopped around after the GOP exit. They had the info, why not find a new place to sell the research.
    That is EXACTLY how these things work. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    Kat said:
    I feel like the dossier was likely shopped around after the GOP exit. They had the info, why not find a new place to sell the research.
    That is EXACTLY how these things work. 

    Yup. Blind Trump supporters can flail their arms up and down today, even though much of this "news" came out 10 months ago........but the bottom line is if the stuff in the dossier is true (and much has been corroborated already), who the hell cares if a republican and/or a democrat funded the thing? What's in it matters and what's in it is being worked over by Mueller and his team with a multiple fine toothed combs.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,573
    I guess people thought it was funded by a neutral third party. 
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315

    FAKE NEWS!
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,675
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    I’m not gaining anything new from all of these articles about this tonight. I don’t understand the logic of a poster here that this clears anyone on the Trump team. Of course Democrats picked up to pay this! And guess what, Republicans did this sort of thing on Hillary- no doubt about it. But why are we hearing about this and not hers? Because there’s no illegal coercsion with a foreign power by the campaign manager and high level staff of the Clinton campaign. If I were Trump and Republicans, I’d get off this as fast as possible. The story’s on the Clinton’s right now, but it’s brief. It will quickly turn to that very dossier and how much of it has been proven accurate, and if that’s been used to tap Manafort, Page, Flynn- all the information from those taps that have been proven as shady. So, by all means, keep talking about it. It only leads to examining the info closer. 
    Ha. All of a sudden it’s “of course Democrats paid for this”. They have been denying it the whole time and Fusion GPS refused to devulge this very fact. The dossier has been examined and there is nothing there. The only thing left to prove is whether this russian sourced oppo research was used to justify FISA warrants because if that’s the case it is prison time for all your heroes.
    While you’ve been crying fake news forever, a lot of that document has been proven very, very true. Maybe not the salacious things some posters here feel would change anything or lead to impeachment, but enough has been proven accurate as to where the intelligence investigations in Congress are taking it seriously. 
    I could care less about Trump paying hookers. Like that’s never happened from him before. I care about the tiny details that you blow off as nothing burgers but they point the investigation in a direction where people (not my people) will go to jail. Flynn, Page, and Manafort are fucked. Maybe Jared. But I think that’s it. The others are given options to avoid embarrassment to the nation and themselves. No one is going to jail over peeing. No one is getting impeached over it either. But those guys I named are absolutely going down. 
    Please list the things in the dossier that have been proven true.
    Dude, if I did that, would it really change anything? The way I see it, I do a basic Google search, copy and paste the information, post it here, and be automatically peppered with nonsense from you instead of talking about the issue. Forgive me, but it’s late and I just don’t have the energy to go round and round with you where no one wins and energy and time is wasted all around. 
    That was the answer I expected. 
    You expected an answer that I’ve never given? The point is, why should I or anyone debate you? It is well known that many things in that dossier have been proven. All this news tonight tells us that either the DNC or Clinton contributed to funding the research. Anyone who didn’t know that was the case is out of touch with reality and doesn’t get how politics works. Yes, the DNC funds opposition research. Yes, the DNC favors loyal DEMOCRATS to represent their party on the election for the highest office in the land. Those jerks. Get over it. 
    The funding of the dossier by the DNC/Clinton was denied up until yesterday. Now it is official. The DNC/Clinton via Fusion GPS colluded with Russian intelligence sources to produce a document that would harm a political opponent and the election process. The same Fusion GPS mind you that previously produced fake dossiers on Venezuelan whistleblowers and Russian whistleblowers. Blind hatred of Trump has caused you all to sacrifice your principles. He wasn’t supposed to win and these secrets were never supposed to be revealed. Continue to protect your precious narrative.
    lol what does this have to do with the total imcompetence of the orange bafoon you so wish was an honorable human when in reality you know hi's dispicable and should be removed from office even if he didn't collude with Russians your defending a total idiot ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    brianlux said:
    Is there anyone on the face of the earth left who thinks this man deserves to remain in office?  My number one wish is that he would experience satori and in reaction to his own true nature, quit his job and go sit on a mountain some where far, far away.
    Unfortunately, I know several people that still think Trump is the best thing that happened to the US. They proudly wear their red 'make America great again' hats and say that they wish the fake media would leave Trump alone and let him do his job. They are very pleased with his job performance.
    Unbelievable!  But yeah, I still see people with "Trump: Make America Great Again" bumper stickers.  Do they really need to wait to see things go to hell before they wise up?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    You see this is how it works...

    Clinton and the DNC pay Fusion GPS to make up a dossier based on Russian Intel
    This dossier is then pushed out through the media by the likes of David Corn and Mother Jones
    And the very same day Clinton says this...

    https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/793254986641764356

    That is called collusion with Russia to interfere in an election
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    i've known the Dems funded the dossier since the day i read which was in December or January.  How is this news?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,573
    BS44325 said:
    You see this is how it works...

    Clinton and the DNC pay Fusion GPS to make up a dossier based on Russian Intel
    This dossier is then pushed out through the media by the likes of David Corn and Mother Jones
    And the very same day Clinton says this...

    https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/793254986641764356

    That is called collusion with Russia to interfere in an election
    This is how delusional smokescreens work. 
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    I’m not gaining anything new from all of these articles about this tonight. I don’t understand the logic of a poster here that this clears anyone on the Trump team. Of course Democrats picked up to pay this! And guess what, Republicans did this sort of thing on Hillary- no doubt about it. But why are we hearing about this and not hers? Because there’s no illegal coercsion with a foreign power by the campaign manager and high level staff of the Clinton campaign. If I were Trump and Republicans, I’d get off this as fast as possible. The story’s on the Clinton’s right now, but it’s brief. It will quickly turn to that very dossier and how much of it has been proven accurate, and if that’s been used to tap Manafort, Page, Flynn- all the information from those taps that have been proven as shady. So, by all means, keep talking about it. It only leads to examining the info closer. 
    Ha. All of a sudden it’s “of course Democrats paid for this”. They have been denying it the whole time and Fusion GPS refused to devulge this very fact. The dossier has been examined and there is nothing there. The only thing left to prove is whether this russian sourced oppo research was used to justify FISA warrants because if that’s the case it is prison time for all your heroes.
    While you’ve been crying fake news forever, a lot of that document has been proven very, very true. Maybe not the salacious things some posters here feel would change anything or lead to impeachment, but enough has been proven accurate as to where the intelligence investigations in Congress are taking it seriously. 
    I could care less about Trump paying hookers. Like that’s never happened from him before. I care about the tiny details that you blow off as nothing burgers but they point the investigation in a direction where people (not my people) will go to jail. Flynn, Page, and Manafort are fucked. Maybe Jared. But I think that’s it. The others are given options to avoid embarrassment to the nation and themselves. No one is going to jail over peeing. No one is getting impeached over it either. But those guys I named are absolutely going down. 
    Please list the things in the dossier that have been proven true.
    Dude, if I did that, would it really change anything? The way I see it, I do a basic Google search, copy and paste the information, post it here, and be automatically peppered with nonsense from you instead of talking about the issue. Forgive me, but it’s late and I just don’t have the energy to go round and round with you where no one wins and energy and time is wasted all around. 
    That was the answer I expected. 
    You expected an answer that I’ve never given? The point is, why should I or anyone debate you? It is well known that many things in that dossier have been proven. All this news tonight tells us that either the DNC or Clinton contributed to funding the research. Anyone who didn’t know that was the case is out of touch with reality and doesn’t get how politics works. Yes, the DNC funds opposition research. Yes, the DNC favors loyal DEMOCRATS to represent their party on the election for the highest office in the land. Those jerks. Get over it. 
    The funding of the dossier by the DNC/Clinton was denied up until yesterday. Now it is official. The DNC/Clinton via Fusion GPS colluded with Russian intelligence sources to produce a document that would harm a political opponent and the election process. The same Fusion GPS mind you that previously produced fake dossiers on Venezuelan whistleblowers and Russian whistleblowers. Blind hatred of Trump has caused you all to sacrifice your principles. He wasn’t supposed to win and these secrets were never supposed to be revealed. Continue to protect your precious narrative.
    lol what does this have to do with the total imcompetence of the orange bafoon you so wish was an honorable human when in reality you know hi's dispicable and should be removed from office even if he didn't collude with Russians your defending a total idiot ...
    Whether one thinks Trump is incompetent or not is irrelevant. Whether one likes Trump or not is irrelevant. Nobody can endorse the candidate of the party in power producing phony intelligence via Russia to then trigger FBI investigation of the opposing candidate. This is a high crime.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,414
    BS44325 said:
    You see this is how it works...

    Clinton and the DNC pay Fusion GPS to make up a dossier based on Russian Intel
    This dossier is then pushed out through the media by the likes of David Corn and Mother Jones
    And the very same day Clinton says this...

    https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/793254986641764356

    That is called collusion with Russia to interfere in an election
    Such pretty feathers today Mr. Peacock. The only time you show up is to defend Trump. Canada must be proud of your allegiance to the current pres.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited October 2017
    BS44325 said:
    You see this is how it works...

    Clinton and the DNC pay Fusion GPS to make up a dossier based on Russian Intel
    This dossier is then pushed out through the media by the likes of David Corn and Mother Jones
    And the very same day Clinton says this...

    https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/793254986641764356

    That is called collusion with Russia to interfere in an election
    This is how delusional smokescreens work. 
    I get how this will be difficult for many of you.
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