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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590

    So I'm no expert but, golly....it sure seems like they are trying to rush through a huge bill that will affect millions of lives and 1/6 of our economy without knowing how much it will cost all for a short term political gain.


    Why oh why would the republican party do this? Sure seems like the opposite of conservatism to me. What happened to this party?

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,021
    The Juggler said:

    So I'm no expert but, golly....it sure seems like they are trying to rush through a huge bill that will affect millions of lives and 1/6 of our economy without knowing how much it will cost all for a short term political gain.


    Why oh why would the republican party do this? Sure seems like the opposite of conservatism to me. What happened to this party?

    Obama happened to them.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,660
    The Juggler said:

    So I'm no expert but, golly....it sure seems like they are trying to rush through a huge bill that will affect millions of lives and 1/6 of our economy without knowing how much it will cost all for a short term political gain.


    Why oh why would the republican party do this? Sure seems like the opposite of conservatism to me. What happened to this party?

    I was just discussing this with someone who is currently getting into politics - he's a centrist, but open to both sides of the spectrum, depending on the issue. His take, after hobnobbing with actual conservative politicians and attending their events, is that they are anything but fiscally conservative when it comes to countering the left just for the sake of countering the left. He was rather appalled by the hypocrisy.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJ_Soul said:
    The Juggler said:

    So I'm no expert but, golly....it sure seems like they are trying to rush through a huge bill that will affect millions of lives and 1/6 of our economy without knowing how much it will cost all for a short term political gain.


    Why oh why would the republican party do this? Sure seems like the opposite of conservatism to me. What happened to this party?

    I was just discussing this with someone who is currently getting into politics - he's a centrist, but open to both sides of the spectrum, depending on the issue. His take, after hobnobbing with actual conservative politicians and attending their events, is that they are anything but fiscally conservative when it comes to countering the left just for the sake of countering the left. He was rather appalled by the hypocrisy.
    Good on him for seeing past the hobs and knobs.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    The Maverick strikes again.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,399
    The Juggler said:
    The Maverick strikes again.
    Just read the story.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-mccain-graham-cassidy_us_59c54e5ce4b01cc57ff2119a
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    tbergs said:
    The Juggler said:
    The Maverick strikes again.
    Just read the story.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-mccain-graham-cassidy_us_59c54e5ce4b01cc57ff2119a
    Good for McCain and Rand Paul!  This won't be the last of this issue but killing the Graham-Cassidy proposal will be a step in the right direction.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    so....isn't the vote 50/50 now with Pence as the tie-breaker?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited September 2017
    CM189191 said:
    so....isn't the vote 50/50 now with Pence as the tie-breaker?
    I think the anticipation is Collins, Murkowski or Paul will vote against it again too though.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    CM189191 said:
    so....isn't the vote 50/50 now with Pence as the tie-breaker?
    A lot (maybe the whole ball of wax) depends on which way Collins and Murkowski goes.  I hope constituents in Maine and Alaska are putting on the pressure.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    brianlux said:
    CM189191 said:
    so....isn't the vote 50/50 now with Pence as the tie-breaker?
    A lot (maybe the whole ball of wax) depends on which way Collins and Murkowski goes.  I hope constituents in Maine and Alaska are putting on the pressure.
    Anyone can call them. I actually called Collins' office the other day
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    The Juggler said:
    brianlux said:
    CM189191 said:
    so....isn't the vote 50/50 now with Pence as the tie-breaker?
    A lot (maybe the whole ball of wax) depends on which way Collins and Murkowski goes.  I hope constituents in Maine and Alaska are putting on the pressure.
    Anyone can call them. I actually called Collins' office the other day
    Excellent!  I will follow!
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    Collins 202-224-2523
    Murkowski 202-224-6665
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    brianlux said:
    Collins 202-224-2523
    Murkowski 202-224-6665
    thank you!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    CM189191 said:
    brianlux said:
    Collins 202-224-2523
    Murkowski 202-224-6665
    thank you!
    :plus_one:

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    The Juggler said:
    brianlux said:
    CM189191 said:
    so....isn't the vote 50/50 now with Pence as the tie-breaker?
    A lot (maybe the whole ball of wax) depends on which way Collins and Murkowski goes.  I hope constituents in Maine and Alaska are putting on the pressure.
    Anyone can call them. I actually called Collins' office the other day
    Anyone can call, but honestly, do they pay attention to anyone that isn't a constituent - i.e. a voter?

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    oftenreading said:
    The Juggler said:
    brianlux said:
    CM189191 said:
    so....isn't the vote 50/50 now with Pence as the tie-breaker?
    A lot (maybe the whole ball of wax) depends on which way Collins and Murkowski goes.  I hope constituents in Maine and Alaska are putting on the pressure.
    Anyone can call them. I actually called Collins' office the other day
    Anyone can call, but honestly, do they pay attention to anyone that isn't a constituent - i.e. a voter?

    It can't hurt, that's for sure, and it takes only very small bit of time to make the call.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    oftenreading said:
    The Juggler said:
    brianlux said:
    CM189191 said:
    so....isn't the vote 50/50 now with Pence as the tie-breaker?
    A lot (maybe the whole ball of wax) depends on which way Collins and Murkowski goes.  I hope constituents in Maine and Alaska are putting on the pressure.
    Anyone can call them. I actually called Collins' office the other day
    Anyone can call, but honestly, do they pay attention to anyone that isn't a constituent - i.e. a voter?


    This vote will affect people outside their constituency.  

    You only leave your contact information if you want a response.  It's just a voice mail box.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    CM189191 said:
    oftenreading said:
    The Juggler said:
    brianlux said:
    CM189191 said:
    so....isn't the vote 50/50 now with Pence as the tie-breaker?
    A lot (maybe the whole ball of wax) depends on which way Collins and Murkowski goes.  I hope constituents in Maine and Alaska are putting on the pressure.
    Anyone can call them. I actually called Collins' office the other day
    Anyone can call, but honestly, do they pay attention to anyone that isn't a constituent - i.e. a voter?


    This vote will affect people outside their constituency.  

    You only leave your contact information if you want a response.  It's just a voice mail box.
    Good point.  I doubt they track every call and it's quick  easy to do!
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    CM189191 said:
    oftenreading said:
    The Juggler said:
    brianlux said:
    CM189191 said:
    so....isn't the vote 50/50 now with Pence as the tie-breaker?
    A lot (maybe the whole ball of wax) depends on which way Collins and Murkowski goes.  I hope constituents in Maine and Alaska are putting on the pressure.
    Anyone can call them. I actually called Collins' office the other day
    Anyone can call, but honestly, do they pay attention to anyone that isn't a constituent - i.e. a voter?


    This vote will affect people outside their constituency.  

    You only leave your contact information if you want a response.  It's just a voice mail box.
    Many of their votes affect people outside of their constituents. I think it's wishful thinking that they'll pay attention to people who can't vote for them, but I wouldn't tell anyone not to try. 
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