The Vietnam War on PBS
Halifax2TheMax
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If you're not watching it, you should.
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I read on the Porch that it can be streamed from the PBS website for free, for those who don't have another way to watch it.
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For anyone younger than 55, I would say probably a good idea. But having lived through that era, I have a really hard time watching or reading anything about that war. The only exception in recent years was reading Bill Zimmerman's excellent book, Troublemaker.
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brianlux said:For anyone younger than 55, I would say probably a good idea. But having lived through that era, I have a really hard time watching or reading anything about that war. The only exception in recent years was reading Bill Zimmerman's excellent book, Troublemaker.
Dispatches was a pretty good book on this subject as well.
I forgot about this event. I'll look to check it out."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
You might also read, "They Marched Into Sunlight," to get some perspective on recent events starting in 2003.
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Anytime, H2M.Halifax2TheMax said:You might also read, "They Marched Into Sunlight," to get some perspective on recent events starting in 2003.
Brian, I can understand and don't blame you. Thanks for the recommendation.
And thanks for the thread on an important part of our history.
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This is true. Watch. Deja vu. American ego on full display.Halifax2TheMax said:If you're not watching it, you should.0 -
American ego? Maybe American Military Industrial Complex imperialist ego, but this was not a war that was popular with the American public. Not at all. Some folks were gung-ho, yes, but most, no. I know a guy was a typical gung-ho young American who went into the service and into that war with all sorts of patriotic aspirations but came back from Nam with a gut load of scars as well as a head load of psychological scarring. There were many like him. The rest went because they were inducted and forced to go. I would not describe that war as quintessentially American ego.CM189191 said:
This is true. Watch. Deja vu. American ego on full display.Halifax2TheMax said:If you're not watching it, you should.
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brianlux said:
American ego? Maybe American Military Industrial Complex imperialist ego, but this was not a war that was popular with the American public. Not at all. Some folks were gung-ho, yes, but most, no. I know a guy was a typical gung-ho young American who went into the service and into that war with all sorts of patriotic aspirations but came back from Nam with a gut load of scars as well as a head load of psychological scarring. There were many like him.* The rest went because they were inducted and forced to go. I would not describe that war as quintessentially American ego.CM189191 said:
This is true. Watch. Deja vu. American ego on full display.Halifax2TheMax said:If you're not watching it, you should.*I was lucky. I only got as far as the physical at the cattle herding recruiting station in Oakland then given a number and watched my turn grow closer and closer. I was two or three numbers out of 365 away from getting called up when the war ended. Sheer dumb luck.
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The things they carried is also a great book from a grunt's perspective.
I've caught bits and pieces of this series and so far so good.
anybody remember "letters home from vietnam"? that was intense!I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I watched some but it was pretty tough to watch.
I was fascinated by this time period when I was in High School and read lots on it...and spoke at length to many veterans of the conflict. Some crazy shares.
I did get 'stuck' the other night when I intended to go to sleep...but as stated, it was pretty tough to watch.
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I remember letters home as a kid. My dad had it on VHS and would put it on some Sunday mornings. Very serious content and nothing like all the movies being put out at the time.mcgruff10 said:The things they carried is also a great book from a grunt's perspective.
I've caught bits and pieces of this series and so far so good.
anybody remember "letters home from vietnam"? that was intense!It's a hopeless situation...0 -
My dad was several more numbers away, but moved to Canada before then. To this day I'm still not sure whether that as a draft-dodging attempt, or a move to be with family that had all moved here even before the war. In any case, he was a photographer for his college and still gets choked up hearing songs like Ohio. Being in Vietnam together as a family a few years back was a visibly traumatic experience for him.brianlux said:brianlux said:
American ego? Maybe American Military Industrial Complex imperialist ego, but this was not a war that was popular with the American public. Not at all. Some folks were gung-ho, yes, but most, no. I know a guy was a typical gung-ho young American who went into the service and into that war with all sorts of patriotic aspirations but came back from Nam with a gut load of scars as well as a head load of psychological scarring. There were many like him.* The rest went because they were inducted and forced to go. I would not describe that war as quintessentially American ego.CM189191 said:
This is true. Watch. Deja vu. American ego on full display.Halifax2TheMax said:If you're not watching it, you should.*I was lucky. I only got as far as the physical at the cattle herding recruiting station in Oakland then given a number and watched my turn grow closer and closer. I was two or three numbers out of 365 away from getting called up when the war ended. Sheer dumb luck.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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My cousin was in the lottery as well. We would listen to the news on the radio each night with dinner and my mother would always get very nervous when they announced the numbers.
Had he been picked he was going to leave the country to live with relatives in Canada or South Africa. Luckily it never came to that.0 -
That may have been how it ended. But ego put us there in the first place, and kept us there far longer than we should have been.brianlux said:
American ego? Maybe American Military Industrial Complex imperialist ego, but this was not a war that was popular with the American public. Not at all. Some folks were gung-ho, yes, but most, no. I know a guy was a typical gung-ho young American who went into the service and into that war with all sorts of patriotic aspirations but came back from Nam with a gut load of scars as well as a head load of psychological scarring. There were many like him. The rest went because they were inducted and forced to go. I would not describe that war as quintessentially American ego.CM189191 said:
This is true. Watch. Deja vu. American ego on full display.Halifax2TheMax said:If you're not watching it, you should.0 -
Even in the art of war ego is discussed as what leads to most wars. It wasn't just Vietnam- almost every war in human history can be traced to back to ego. It's not the U.S., it's human.CM189191 said:
That may have been how it ended. But ego put us there in the first place, and kept us there far longer than we should have been.brianlux said:
American ego? Maybe American Military Industrial Complex imperialist ego, but this was not a war that was popular with the American public. Not at all. Some folks were gung-ho, yes, but most, no. I know a guy was a typical gung-ho young American who went into the service and into that war with all sorts of patriotic aspirations but came back from Nam with a gut load of scars as well as a head load of psychological scarring. There were many like him. The rest went because they were inducted and forced to go. I would not describe that war as quintessentially American ego.CM189191 said:
This is true. Watch. Deja vu. American ego on full display.Halifax2TheMax said:If you're not watching it, you should.I'm like an opening band for your mom.0 -
I considered moving to Canada myself but I had no connections and Canada was beginning to strongly discourage and make very difficult immigration from the U.S.benjs said:
My dad was several more numbers away, but moved to Canada before then. To this day I'm still not sure whether that as a draft-dodging attempt, or a move to be with family that had all moved here even before the war. In any case, he was a photographer for his college and still gets choked up hearing songs like Ohio. Being in Vietnam together as a family a few years back was a visibly traumatic experience for him.brianlux said:brianlux said:
American ego? Maybe American Military Industrial Complex imperialist ego, but this was not a war that was popular with the American public. Not at all. Some folks were gung-ho, yes, but most, no. I know a guy was a typical gung-ho young American who went into the service and into that war with all sorts of patriotic aspirations but came back from Nam with a gut load of scars as well as a head load of psychological scarring. There were many like him.* The rest went because they were inducted and forced to go. I would not describe that war as quintessentially American ego.CM189191 said:
This is true. Watch. Deja vu. American ego on full display.Halifax2TheMax said:If you're not watching it, you should.*I was lucky. I only got as far as the physical at the cattle herding recruiting station in Oakland then given a number and watched my turn grow closer and closer. I was two or three numbers out of 365 away from getting called up when the war ended. Sheer dumb luck.
No, have not. I've seen it come through the store several times. I might check it out. What did you like (or dislike) about it?tempo_n_groove said:
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I just think of ego as a more individual characteristic. But I guess if you want to call our involvement in Vietnam "ego", OK, but who's ego? Not most of the people I knew, both of my generation and my parents. Resistance to the war was common from early on. We put our necks on the line. Some protesters were killed (Ohio) doing so. I remember the horrible sight of tactical squad police decked out in black moving in on horseback with helmets, clubs, guns, mace. Some scary shit. The war was propagated by the industrial military complex, not the people.CM189191 said:
That may have been how it ended. But ego put us there in the first place, and kept us there far longer than we should have been.brianlux said:
American ego? Maybe American Military Industrial Complex imperialist ego, but this was not a war that was popular with the American public. Not at all. Some folks were gung-ho, yes, but most, no. I know a guy was a typical gung-ho young American who went into the service and into that war with all sorts of patriotic aspirations but came back from Nam with a gut load of scars as well as a head load of psychological scarring. There were many like him. The rest went because they were inducted and forced to go. I would not describe that war as quintessentially American ego.CM189191 said:
This is true. Watch. Deja vu. American ego on full display.Halifax2TheMax said:If you're not watching it, you should.
In any case, I'm sure we agree the war was a travesty. And that we haven't learned more than we have about poking our noses into everyone's business is an equal travesty.
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Been watching as difficult as it is
Usual great work from Ken Burns and staff....
So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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