How should the world deal with the North Korean threat?

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,306
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    They have nukes?
    Yeah?
    They might use them.
    So might Israel, US, China, Russia, India, Pakiston etc.


    N. Korea would be annihilated the moment they use one.  Even Kimmie knows that.

    I am more worried that Trump might than NK
    Yeah, when it comes to nukes, I'm WAY more concerned about the countries you listed. 

    And if N.K. did, for some crazy reason, toss a nuke, the reprisal would be massive.  The results would be toxic and deadly in a small region where there's hit but ultra toxic over there and the amount of death in N.K. due to counter attacks would be staggering.  I'm going to assume they're not so stupid as to let that happen.

    There is certainly precedence for stupid people starting wars they can't win in retaliation for a narcissistic injury.
    For sure-- Vietnam, the Middle East.
    Sad but true.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    When comes to nuking places, the US has NK beat hands down:

    "Over 41 years, the federal government detonated 921 nuclear warheads underground at the Nevada Test Site, 75 miles northeast of Las Vegas. Each explosion deposited a toxic load of radioactivity into the ground and, in some cases, directly into aquifers."

    "In a study for Nye County, where the nuclear test site lies, Buqo estimated that the underground tests polluted 1.6 trillion gallons of water. "

    "About a third of the tests were conducted directly in aquifers, and others were hundreds or thousands of feet above the water table."

    "In the hottest zones, radioactivity in the water reaches millions of picocuries per liter. The federal standard for drinking water is 20 picocuries per liter."

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/13/nation/na-radiation-nevada13



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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    brianlux said:
    When comes to nuking places, the US has NK beat hands down:

    "Over 41 years, the federal government detonated 921 nuclear warheads underground at the Nevada Test Site, 75 miles northeast of Las Vegas. Each explosion deposited a toxic load of radioactivity into the ground and, in some cases, directly into aquifers."

    "In a study for Nye County, where the nuclear test site lies, Buqo estimated that the underground tests polluted 1.6 trillion gallons of water. "

    "About a third of the tests were conducted directly in aquifers, and others were hundreds or thousands of feet above the water table."

    "In the hottest zones, radioactivity in the water reaches millions of picocuries per liter. The federal standard for drinking water is 20 picocuries per liter."

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/13/nation/na-radiation-nevada13




    yeah only a genius would mess around with radioactivity in or near aquifers. this is insanity  
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
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    So now he's detonated an underground atomic bomb. Shit's getting serious.

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,561
    edited September 2017
    Is doing nothing an option?
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    FEAR!
  • PJammer4life
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    So now he's detonated an underground atomic bomb. Shit's getting serious.

    Their sixth.  Way to pollute you aquifers, NK (of course the US and Russia are kings when it come that).  Craziness.
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  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,669
    We better get ready for another 40 year Cold War. We had it good for 30+ years, time to live threatened again and toughen up. Back to the you'll hurt me but I will kill you stalemate. Problem is Kim is a threat to Europe too...can the world come together and coordinate an attack that's non nuclear but successful? Or accept we live with this threat.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664

    PJammer4life said:
    We better get ready for another 40 year Cold War. We had it good for 30+ years, time to live threatened again and toughen up. Back to the you'll hurt me but I will kill you stalemate. Problem is Kim is a threat to Europe too...can the world come together and coordinate an attack that's non nuclear but successful? Or accept we live with this threat.
    A preemptive strike would cause more problems than it would solve.  Besides that, it's difficult to come to gain a consensus among leaders/politicians  in any one country, let alone several.

    This is an interesting possibility:

    "As things stand, neither diplomacy nor sanctions seem likely to derail the North’s nuclear program. So regime change looks more and more attractive. But better that it come from within. Given Kim’s reckless habits—drinking and driving are two of his favorite pastimes—a self-inflicted biological solution is more than possible. So is the chance that an insider will finally get angry enough to take him out, never mind the consequences."

    That, and other options, are discussed here:

    http://time.com/north-korea-opinion/

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  • PJammer4life
    PJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,669
    Evil leaders have a way of dying i.e. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Sadaam, Ceausescu, Mussolini...so one can only hope I guess. The world could use a bit of good news rather than thoughts of a nuclear winter.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
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    Another option, send in Hans Blix.
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Kim scares me just as much as Trump. From a mental perspective, they're shockingly similar. I worry about our moron in chief escalating things to the point that Kim does act. Some here posted how DNK would be immediately destroyed from us and other powers. What makes you think that he cares about any of his citizens? He's got a nuclear proof bunker. He doesn't care if his country turns into a parking lot. If he cared for his people, he would be working to improve the quality of life for his citizens. He is a mental nut. Just like our guy. They've got themselves in a dick measuring contest with millions of lives on the line. It's something to be concerned about. If you worry about Trump, then you should worry about Kim. If you worry about Kim, then you should worry about Trump. They are one in the same mentally. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Another option, send in Hans Blix.
    Not bad, but if you're going for diplomacy, go all the way and send in Binx the Talking Cat


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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    ledvedderman said:
    Kim scares me just as much as Trump. From a mental perspective, they're shockingly similar. I worry about our moron in chief escalating things to the point that Kim does act. Some here posted how DNK would be immediately destroyed from us and other powers. What makes you think that he cares about any of his citizens? He's got a nuclear proof bunker. He doesn't care if his country turns into a parking lot. If he cared for his people, he would be working to improve the quality of life for his citizens. He is a mental nut. Just like our guy. They've got themselves in a dick measuring contest with millions of lives on the line. It's something to be concerned about. If you worry about Trump, then you should worry about Kim. If you worry about Kim, then you should worry about Trump. They are one in the same mentally. 
    Trump, Kim, Putin.  Give me these guys over them any day:
     



    This evening I asked my wife, who is a very level headed, reasonable woman, if there is any sane place left on earth expecting, of course, for her to tell me with her usual optimism where such places are.  She simply said, "None".    That rocked me back on my heals a bit.  There must be!  The Azores maybe?
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
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    brianlux said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Another option, send in Hans Blix.
    Not bad, but if you're going for diplomacy, go all the way and send in Binx the Talking Cat


    Is that cat from some movie or show?
    My reference was to Team America World Police hehe
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    Smellyman said:
    Thing is, they are not a threat
    agree. The back and forth between NK and Trump is good for business.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-idUSKCN1BA19M
    https://www.mda.mil/about/mission.html

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-japan-radar-exclu-idUSKCN1BA0TS

    Trump:
     I am allowing Japan & South Korea to buy a substantially increased amount of highly sophisticated military equipment from the United States.
  • JC29856
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    Imagine if Russia engaged in a similar operation over the border in Mexico while the Russian fleet conducted “live fire” drills three miles outside of San Francisco Bay. 

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/04/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-north-koreas-missile-tests/
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    JC29856 said:
    Imagine if Russia engaged in a similar operation over the border in Mexico while the Russian fleet conducted “live fire” drills three miles outside of San Francisco Bay. 

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/04/what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-north-koreas-missile-tests/
    You mean like the Cuban missile crisis?  Because that was a thing that actually happened.

    ftfa: "What the media failed to mention was that,  for the last three weeks, Japan, South Korea and the US have been engaged in large-scale joint-military drills on Hokkaido Island and in South Korea."

    War Games Begin as U.S., South Korea Brace for North’s FuryWSJ - Aug. 20, 2017

    South Korea and U.S. Begin Drills as North Warns of Rising Tensions
    NYT - AUG. 21, 2017

    U.S. and Japan hold joint military drills
    MSN - 16-08-2017

    US flies bombers, fighters in show of force against N. Korea
    ABC - Aug 31, 2017

    US, Japanese troops begin joint military exercise amid North Korea threat
    Fox - August 10, 2017

    Why do you read news websites that lie to you?  How often do you believe their lies? 

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