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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,345
    Go Beavers said:
    Ship em all to the American Genocide Museum. Then those neo-nazi ay-holes can go there and weep about how great out country was. 
    Museum of Tolerance too
  • Enkidu
    Enkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    I'm throwing this out here - last year there was a big debate in my hometown (small town in VA) about changing the name of the high school (there's only one) from Robert E. Lee to something else.  I'm guessing the issue will come up again.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    See those candles around that statue at UVA, its pictured third, sign reads "only one side love"? That's at the feet of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, original founder, slave owner, slave trader and one who raped his property, a 12 year old black girl.

      http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544081108/glow-from-candlelight-vigil-in-charlottesville-lights-up-uva-campus

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    JC29856 said:
    See those candles around that statue at UVA, its pictured third, sign reads "only one side love"? That's at the feet of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, original founder, slave owner, slave trader and one who raped his property, a 12 year old black girl.

      http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544081108/glow-from-candlelight-vigil-in-charlottesville-lights-up-uva-campus

    The short answer to your statement is that we honor Washington and Jefferson despite the fact that they owned slaves, whereas memorials to the likes of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson honor them because they fought for the Confederacy, a secessionist movement that had the preservation of slavery as its organizing principle.

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Ship em all to the American Genocide Museum. Then those neo-nazi ay-holes can go there and weep about how great out country was. 
    Museum of Tolerance too
    The museum of tolerance will have a mass murderer wing? Seems odd. 
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    mcgruff10 said:
    JC29856 said:
    See those candles around that statue at UVA, its pictured third, sign reads "only one side love"? That's at the feet of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, original founder, slave owner, slave trader and one who raped his property, a 12 year old black girl.

      http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544081108/glow-from-candlelight-vigil-in-charlottesville-lights-up-uva-campus

    The short answer to your statement is that we honor Washington and Jefferson despite the fact that they owned slaves, whereas memorials to the likes of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson honor them because they fought for the Confederacy, a secessionist movement that had the preservation of slavery as its organizing principle.

    Yes, and for the simple fact that despite flaws, Washington and Jefferson founded this country whereas Lee and Jackson fought to destroy it.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,345
    Go Beavers said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Ship em all to the American Genocide Museum. Then those neo-nazi ay-holes can go there and weep about how great out country was. 
    Museum of Tolerance too
    The museum of tolerance will have a mass murderer wing? Seems odd. 
    You don't know what the Museum of Tolerance is then I take it?  Holocaust, Rwanda, segregation in the US are all exhibitions there.

    Put the statues in a museum like MOT to preserve them, talk about them, teach about them.

    I was agreeing with your statement.

  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Go Beavers said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Ship em all to the American Genocide Museum. Then those neo-nazi ay-holes can go there and weep about how great out country was. 
    Museum of Tolerance too
    The museum of tolerance will have a mass murderer wing? Seems odd. 
    You don't know what the Museum of Tolerance is then I take it?  Holocaust, Rwanda, segregation in the US are all exhibitions there.

    Put the statues in a museum like MOT to preserve them, talk about them, teach about them.

    I was agreeing with your statement.

    Same thing, different name. It would be easier to get it funded with the word 'tolerance' in the name. 
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Cliffy6745 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    JC29856 said:
    See those candles around that statue at UVA, its pictured third, sign reads "only one side love"? That's at the feet of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, original founder, slave owner, slave trader and one who raped his property, a 12 year old black girl.

      http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544081108/glow-from-candlelight-vigil-in-charlottesville-lights-up-uva-campus

    The short answer to your statement is that we honor Washington and Jefferson despite the fact that they owned slaves, whereas memorials to the likes of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson honor them because they fought for the Confederacy, a secessionist movement that had the preservation of slavery as its organizing principle.

    Yes, and for the simple fact that despite flaws, Washington and Jefferson founded this country whereas Lee and Jackson fought to destroy it.
    (raping 12 year old...flaw)

    Was there any negotiation concessions or did the South decide to invade the North over slavery?
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    Kudos to the Johnny Cash extended family!!
    The Guardian: Johnny Cash’s children condemn Charlottesville far-right protester in Cash T-shirt. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwjI2s4TU
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JC29856 said:
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
    very strong point...but compare the date of your cute tweet to the date of my earlier posts. what's your conclusion?
    That you're trolling. Duh.

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mcgruff10 said:
    JC29856 said:
    See those candles around that statue at UVA, its pictured third, sign reads "only one side love"? That's at the feet of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, original founder, slave owner, slave trader and one who raped his property, a 12 year old black girl.

      http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544081108/glow-from-candlelight-vigil-in-charlottesville-lights-up-uva-campus

    The short answer to your statement is that we honor Washington and Jefferson despite the fact that they owned slaves, whereas memorials to the likes of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson honor them because they fought for the Confederacy, a secessionist movement that had the preservation of slavery as its organizing principle.

    What is your opinion on declaring independence from England given that the preservation of slavery was an organizing principle?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Reason #353 why to throw your cable boxes out of the window, I present Democratic strategist Angela Rye on CNN saying GW statues should be torn down and then this whopper "that we are close to repeating slavery right now"!!!!

    RYE:
         Sometimes what it is, is not acknowledging this country was built upon a very violent past that resulted in the death and the raping and the killing of my ancestors. I'm not going to allow us to say it's okay for Robert E. Lee but not a George Washington. We need to call it what it is.
    I don't say they don't deserve to be taught about, learn about it so we don't repeat it because we are very close to repeating it right now. I'm not giving deference to George Washington or Robert E. Lee.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,027
    JC29856 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    JC29856 said:
    See those candles around that statue at UVA, its pictured third, sign reads "only one side love"? That's at the feet of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, original founder, slave owner, slave trader and one who raped his property, a 12 year old black girl.

      http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544081108/glow-from-candlelight-vigil-in-charlottesville-lights-up-uva-campus

    The short answer to your statement is that we honor Washington and Jefferson despite the fact that they owned slaves, whereas memorials to the likes of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson honor them because they fought for the Confederacy, a secessionist movement that had the preservation of slavery as its organizing principle.

    What is your opinion on declaring independence from England given that the preservation of slavery was an organizing principle?
    Organizing principle of what? 3D working hard to distract from the failings of his boy Trump.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I'm all for opening up the slavery can of worms, why stop at the civil war, but be ready for some ugly truths.
    If interested I recommend this book:
    https://www.amazon.com/Slave-Nation-Colonies-American-Revolution/dp/1402206976
    In 1772, the High Court in London brought about the conditions that would end slavery in England by freeing a black slave from Virginia named Somerset. This decision began a key facet of independence.
    Slave Nation is a fascinating account of the role slavery played in the drawing of the United States Constitution and in shaping the United States. At the Constitutional Convention, the South feared that the Northern states would leave the Convention over the issue of slavery. In a compromise, the Southern states agreed to slavery's prohibition north of the Ohio River, resulting in the Northwest Ordinance. This early national division would continue to escalate, eventually only reaching resolution through the Civil War.

    Additional reference:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_v_Stewart
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_Act_1765


  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,540

  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,540
    Hopefully Winston Smith is working over time with erasing history as we speak.
    2+2=5
    1984 is becoming reality..
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    JC29856 said:
    I'm all for opening up the slavery can of worms, why stop at the civil war, but be ready for some ugly truths.
    If interested I recommend this book:
    https://www.amazon.com/Slave-Nation-Colonies-American-Revolution/dp/1402206976
    In 1772, the High Court in London brought about the conditions that would end slavery in England by freeing a black slave from Virginia named Somerset. This decision began a key facet of independence.
    Slave Nation is a fascinating account of the role slavery played in the drawing of the United States Constitution and in shaping the United States. At the Constitutional Convention, the South feared that the Northern states would leave the Convention over the issue of slavery. In a compromise, the Southern states agreed to slavery's prohibition north of the Ohio River, resulting in the Northwest Ordinance. This early national division would continue to escalate, eventually only reaching resolution through the Civil War.

    Additional reference:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_v_Stewart
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_Act_1765


    Why is it a can of worms? The topic fully relates to slavery. 

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,345
    I didn't notice this in anyone's comments.

    The protesters tried taring down a Peace Monument in Atlanta.  I believe people are getting a "mob mentality" now.
    http://www.11alive.com/news/local/more-charlottesville-marches-vigils-planned-for-atlanta-on-sunday/464097389
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2017
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I didn't notice this in anyone's comments.

    The protesters tried taring down a Peace Monument in Atlanta.  I believe people are getting a "mob mentality" now.
    http://www.11alive.com/news/local/more-charlottesville-marches-vigils-planned-for-atlanta-on-sunday/464097389
    I posted it in another thread and didn't get any response...and I fully agree.  Abe Lincoln statue torched in Chicago too.  
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