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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    JC29856 said:
    I lived in Seattle on and off for a few years and there was a statue there in 95/96 that made quite a stir.  The statue is still there to my disbelief.

    Take this one down next.
    http://www.travelchannel.com/videos/lenin-in-seattle-0223483
    I'm at the Lenin statue counter protesting the protestors if you want to swing by say hi give me the finger etc. 
    Black shirt black jacket, look like typical pj fan

    some protestors are beginning to leave, they seem like nice enough people. one guy is filming. 
    What? No khakis?
    khakis yes, underwear no
    Im being accused of being a paid protestor working for Soros
    Post edited by JC29856 on
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    JC29856 said:
    I lived in Seattle on and off for a few years and there was a statue there in 95/96 that made quite a stir.  The statue is still there to my disbelief.

    Take this one down next.
    http://www.travelchannel.com/videos/lenin-in-seattle-0223483
    I'm at the Lenin statue counter protesting the protestors if you want to swing by say hi give me the finger etc. 
    Black shirt black jacket, look like typical pj fan

    some protestors are beginning to leave, they seem like nice enough people. one guy is filming. 
    Pics or it didn't happen. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    I lived in Seattle on and off for a few years and there was a statue there in 95/96 that made quite a stir.  The statue is still there to my disbelief.

    Take this one down next.
    http://www.travelchannel.com/videos/lenin-in-seattle-0223483
    I'm at the Lenin statue counter protesting the protestors if you want to swing by say hi give me the finger etc. 
    Black shirt black jacket, look like typical pj fan

    some protestors are beginning to leave, they seem like nice enough people. one guy is filming. 
    What? No khakis?
    khakis yes, underwear no
    Im being accused of being a paid protestor working for Soros
    Members Only jacket?
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    I lived in Seattle on and off for a few years and there was a statue there in 95/96 that made quite a stir.  The statue is still there to my disbelief.

    Take this one down next.
    http://www.travelchannel.com/videos/lenin-in-seattle-0223483
    I'm at the Lenin statue counter protesting the protestors if you want to swing by say hi give me the finger etc. 
    Black shirt black jacket, look like typical pj fan

    some protestors are beginning to leave, they seem like nice enough people. one guy is filming. 
    What? No khakis?
    khakis yes, underwear no
    Im being accused of being a paid protestor working for Soros
    Members Only jacket?
    Jordache...the mariners game let out so I'm on my way to the polka club
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,351
    jeffbr said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    from the seattle times: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lenin-statue-is-loved-hated-and-very-fremont/

    If someone said there’s a statue of Lenin in the Fremont neighborhood you’d expect it to be of John Lennon, not Vladimir.

    But for a neighborhood whose motto is “De Libertas Quirkas,” the freedom to be peculiar, it’s not a surprise.

    The path to Seattle from Poprad, Slovakia, for this 8-ton bronze of the Communist revolutionary occurred because Lewis Carpenter of Issaquah saw it, bought it and brought it back after the collapse of the Soviet bloc.

    He died in 1994, but the family still owns it, and Jon Hegeman, with the Fremont Arts Council, says it’s still for sale for $250,000 or best offer.

    The 16-foot Lenin, striding boldly and backed by flames and firearms, still evokes strong responses, though he died 91 years ago.

    Lenin was responsible for untold deaths, and many equate him with Hitler and Stalin. Vandals often paint the statue’s hands blood red.

    He joins more than 60 other art installations in Fremont, including the Troll, the Guidepost marking the “center of the universe,” “Waiting for the Interurban” and the Rocket.

    Fremontologist and neighborhood expert Kirby Lindsay Lanay says, “I hate it in the sense it upsets people. I understand their pain. I like art that makes you feel good.”

    Mike Clark with the Fremont Arts Council says, “It’s perfectly Fremont.” At first he was opposed to the statue and “now, totally indifferent. It’s super popular and part of the (Fremont) shtick.”

    Lindsay Laney says, “Love him or hate him, he’s as much a part of Fremont as the rest of our art. We dress him up in a tutu for gay pride.

    “Taco del Mar made a giant (tinfoil wrapped) burrito for him to hold, but it looked like a doobie.”

    There are few places in America where a statue of Lenin would find a home, and now the Communist revolutionary looks out over a capitalistic commercial business district.

    Hegeman says if Lenin sells, he’d like to see another statue in its place.

    Imagine John Lennon.

    And, today Vlad's statue is back in the local news... :lol:

    Fremont's Lenin Statue Is Currently Under Siege By Trump Supporters and An Alt-Right Troll



    I always found it odd that this statue existed and when other statues came into question I was wondering why this one wasn't targeted more.

    Years ago I figured the ACLU would go to trial and remove it.  Seriously.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    jeffbr said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    from the seattle times: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lenin-statue-is-loved-hated-and-very-fremont/

    If someone said there’s a statue of Lenin in the Fremont neighborhood you’d expect it to be of John Lennon, not Vladimir.

    But for a neighborhood whose motto is “De Libertas Quirkas,” the freedom to be peculiar, it’s not a surprise.

    The path to Seattle from Poprad, Slovakia, for this 8-ton bronze of the Communist revolutionary occurred because Lewis Carpenter of Issaquah saw it, bought it and brought it back after the collapse of the Soviet bloc.

    He died in 1994, but the family still owns it, and Jon Hegeman, with the Fremont Arts Council, says it’s still for sale for $250,000 or best offer.

    The 16-foot Lenin, striding boldly and backed by flames and firearms, still evokes strong responses, though he died 91 years ago.

    Lenin was responsible for untold deaths, and many equate him with Hitler and Stalin. Vandals often paint the statue’s hands blood red.

    He joins more than 60 other art installations in Fremont, including the Troll, the Guidepost marking the “center of the universe,” “Waiting for the Interurban” and the Rocket.

    Fremontologist and neighborhood expert Kirby Lindsay Lanay says, “I hate it in the sense it upsets people. I understand their pain. I like art that makes you feel good.”

    Mike Clark with the Fremont Arts Council says, “It’s perfectly Fremont.” At first he was opposed to the statue and “now, totally indifferent. It’s super popular and part of the (Fremont) shtick.”

    Lindsay Laney says, “Love him or hate him, he’s as much a part of Fremont as the rest of our art. We dress him up in a tutu for gay pride.

    “Taco del Mar made a giant (tinfoil wrapped) burrito for him to hold, but it looked like a doobie.”

    There are few places in America where a statue of Lenin would find a home, and now the Communist revolutionary looks out over a capitalistic commercial business district.

    Hegeman says if Lenin sells, he’d like to see another statue in its place.

    Imagine John Lennon.

    And, today Vlad's statue is back in the local news... :lol:

    Fremont's Lenin Statue Is Currently Under Siege By Trump Supporters and An Alt-Right Troll



    I always found it odd that this statue existed and when other statues came into question I was wondering why this one wasn't targeted more.

    Years ago I figured the ACLU would go to trial and remove it.  Seriously.
    You think the aclu is going to try and remove a statue? Only if it's Jesus at a public school. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    I'm still trying to figure out what "Confederacy erasing history" means.  How does history erase the Confederacy?
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    What happened? Where did it occur? We were promised violence for the cameras and press at the memorial service for Heather. What? It didn't happen? I watched all day just for that?

    Someone on here was spreading fake news. Sad!
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,351
    jeffbr said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    from the seattle times: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lenin-statue-is-loved-hated-and-very-fremont/

    If someone said there’s a statue of Lenin in the Fremont neighborhood you’d expect it to be of John Lennon, not Vladimir.

    But for a neighborhood whose motto is “De Libertas Quirkas,” the freedom to be peculiar, it’s not a surprise.

    The path to Seattle from Poprad, Slovakia, for this 8-ton bronze of the Communist revolutionary occurred because Lewis Carpenter of Issaquah saw it, bought it and brought it back after the collapse of the Soviet bloc.

    He died in 1994, but the family still owns it, and Jon Hegeman, with the Fremont Arts Council, says it’s still for sale for $250,000 or best offer.

    The 16-foot Lenin, striding boldly and backed by flames and firearms, still evokes strong responses, though he died 91 years ago.

    Lenin was responsible for untold deaths, and many equate him with Hitler and Stalin. Vandals often paint the statue’s hands blood red.

    He joins more than 60 other art installations in Fremont, including the Troll, the Guidepost marking the “center of the universe,” “Waiting for the Interurban” and the Rocket.

    Fremontologist and neighborhood expert Kirby Lindsay Lanay says, “I hate it in the sense it upsets people. I understand their pain. I like art that makes you feel good.”

    Mike Clark with the Fremont Arts Council says, “It’s perfectly Fremont.” At first he was opposed to the statue and “now, totally indifferent. It’s super popular and part of the (Fremont) shtick.”

    Lindsay Laney says, “Love him or hate him, he’s as much a part of Fremont as the rest of our art. We dress him up in a tutu for gay pride.

    “Taco del Mar made a giant (tinfoil wrapped) burrito for him to hold, but it looked like a doobie.”

    There are few places in America where a statue of Lenin would find a home, and now the Communist revolutionary looks out over a capitalistic commercial business district.

    Hegeman says if Lenin sells, he’d like to see another statue in its place.

    Imagine John Lennon.

    And, today Vlad's statue is back in the local news... :lol:

    Fremont's Lenin Statue Is Currently Under Siege By Trump Supporters and An Alt-Right Troll



    I always found it odd that this statue existed and when other statues came into question I was wondering why this one wasn't targeted more.

    Years ago I figured the ACLU would go to trial and remove it.  Seriously.
    You think the aclu is going to try and remove a statue? Only if it's Jesus at a public school. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
    very strong point...but compare the date of your cute tweet to the date of my earlier posts. what's your conclusion?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    Here is another one, since were in the vicinity, 24 carat!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tecumseh_Sherman_(Saint-Gaudens)#/media/File:William_Tecumseh_Sherman_Monument_New_York_January_2016_002.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tecumseh_Sherman

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    here's one!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
    JC29856 said:
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
    very strong point...but compare the date of your cute tweet to the date of my earlier posts. what's your conclusion?
    That you're trolling. Duh.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,839
    Does Germany have monuments of Hitler?  It is part of their history, after all...
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    I guess I missed the news the other day about the idiots trying to tear down the peace monument in Atlanta because evidently every monument is racist...

    https://www.rt.com/usa/399584-atlanta-confederate-monument-damage/

  • KatKat Posts: 4,870
    edited August 2017
    The descendants of Lee, Jackson and Davis want the Confederate statues to come down
    By Polo Sandoval and Darran Simon, CNN

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/us/robert-e-lees-grandson-comments-on-statue-removal/index.html
    -------------------------------------------------
    Re: link above. There are Confederate cemeteries and museums and the statues would be absolutely appropriate there. We have so many Americans that truly deserve a statue for accomplishments that have positively affected America...and all Americans. Let's have more of those. A nice Maya Angelou statue; we need more like that...inspiring statues of good Americans. :)

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  • CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
    ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. I was thinking about this the other day. why America still celebrates that genocidal maniac is beyond me. 
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
    ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. I was thinking about this the other day. why America still celebrates that genocidal maniac is beyond me. 
    You either subscribe to the talking point memo emails, if one exists, and opened it before Geraldo or you can think for yourself.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    Ship em all to the American Genocide Museum. Then those neo-nazi ay-holes can go there and weep about how great out country was. 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,351
    Ship em all to the American Genocide Museum. Then those neo-nazi ay-holes can go there and weep about how great out country was. 
    Museum of Tolerance too
  • EnkiduEnkidu Posts: 2,996
    I'm throwing this out here - last year there was a big debate in my hometown (small town in VA) about changing the name of the high school (there's only one) from Robert E. Lee to something else.  I'm guessing the issue will come up again.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    See those candles around that statue at UVA, its pictured third, sign reads "only one side love"? That's at the feet of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, original founder, slave owner, slave trader and one who raped his property, a 12 year old black girl.

      http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544081108/glow-from-candlelight-vigil-in-charlottesville-lights-up-uva-campus

  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    JC29856 said:
    See those candles around that statue at UVA, its pictured third, sign reads "only one side love"? That's at the feet of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, original founder, slave owner, slave trader and one who raped his property, a 12 year old black girl.

      http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544081108/glow-from-candlelight-vigil-in-charlottesville-lights-up-uva-campus

    The short answer to your statement is that we honor Washington and Jefferson despite the fact that they owned slaves, whereas memorials to the likes of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson honor them because they fought for the Confederacy, a secessionist movement that had the preservation of slavery as its organizing principle.

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    Ship em all to the American Genocide Museum. Then those neo-nazi ay-holes can go there and weep about how great out country was. 
    Museum of Tolerance too
    The museum of tolerance will have a mass murderer wing? Seems odd. 
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,839
    mcgruff10 said:
    JC29856 said:
    See those candles around that statue at UVA, its pictured third, sign reads "only one side love"? That's at the feet of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, original founder, slave owner, slave trader and one who raped his property, a 12 year old black girl.

      http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544081108/glow-from-candlelight-vigil-in-charlottesville-lights-up-uva-campus

    The short answer to your statement is that we honor Washington and Jefferson despite the fact that they owned slaves, whereas memorials to the likes of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson honor them because they fought for the Confederacy, a secessionist movement that had the preservation of slavery as its organizing principle.

    Yes, and for the simple fact that despite flaws, Washington and Jefferson founded this country whereas Lee and Jackson fought to destroy it.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,351
    Ship em all to the American Genocide Museum. Then those neo-nazi ay-holes can go there and weep about how great out country was. 
    Museum of Tolerance too
    The museum of tolerance will have a mass murderer wing? Seems odd. 
    You don't know what the Museum of Tolerance is then I take it?  Holocaust, Rwanda, segregation in the US are all exhibitions there.

    Put the statues in a museum like MOT to preserve them, talk about them, teach about them.

    I was agreeing with your statement.

  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,083
    Ship em all to the American Genocide Museum. Then those neo-nazi ay-holes can go there and weep about how great out country was. 
    Museum of Tolerance too
    The museum of tolerance will have a mass murderer wing? Seems odd. 
    You don't know what the Museum of Tolerance is then I take it?  Holocaust, Rwanda, segregation in the US are all exhibitions there.

    Put the statues in a museum like MOT to preserve them, talk about them, teach about them.

    I was agreeing with your statement.

    Same thing, different name. It would be easier to get it funded with the word 'tolerance' in the name. 
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    mcgruff10 said:
    JC29856 said:
    See those candles around that statue at UVA, its pictured third, sign reads "only one side love"? That's at the feet of the statue of Thomas Jefferson, original founder, slave owner, slave trader and one who raped his property, a 12 year old black girl.

      http://www.npr.org/2017/08/17/544081108/glow-from-candlelight-vigil-in-charlottesville-lights-up-uva-campus

    The short answer to your statement is that we honor Washington and Jefferson despite the fact that they owned slaves, whereas memorials to the likes of Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis, and Stonewall Jackson honor them because they fought for the Confederacy, a secessionist movement that had the preservation of slavery as its organizing principle.

    Yes, and for the simple fact that despite flaws, Washington and Jefferson founded this country whereas Lee and Jackson fought to destroy it.
    (raping 12 year old...flaw)

    Was there any negotiation concessions or did the South decide to invade the North over slavery?
  • RYMERYME Posts: 1,904
    Kudos to the Johnny Cash extended family!!
    The Guardian: Johnny Cash’s children condemn Charlottesville far-right protester in Cash T-shirt. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwjI2s4TU
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