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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited August 2017
    JC29856 said:
    I lived in Seattle on and off for a few years and there was a statue there in 95/96 that made quite a stir.  The statue is still there to my disbelief.

    Take this one down next.
    http://www.travelchannel.com/videos/lenin-in-seattle-0223483
    I'm at the Lenin statue counter protesting the protestors if you want to swing by say hi give me the finger etc. 
    Black shirt black jacket, look like typical pj fan

    some protestors are beginning to leave, they seem like nice enough people. one guy is filming. 
    What? No khakis?
    khakis yes, underwear no
    Im being accused of being a paid protestor working for Soros
    Post edited by JC29856 on
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    JC29856 said:
    I lived in Seattle on and off for a few years and there was a statue there in 95/96 that made quite a stir.  The statue is still there to my disbelief.

    Take this one down next.
    http://www.travelchannel.com/videos/lenin-in-seattle-0223483
    I'm at the Lenin statue counter protesting the protestors if you want to swing by say hi give me the finger etc. 
    Black shirt black jacket, look like typical pj fan

    some protestors are beginning to leave, they seem like nice enough people. one guy is filming. 
    Pics or it didn't happen. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,015
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    I lived in Seattle on and off for a few years and there was a statue there in 95/96 that made quite a stir.  The statue is still there to my disbelief.

    Take this one down next.
    http://www.travelchannel.com/videos/lenin-in-seattle-0223483
    I'm at the Lenin statue counter protesting the protestors if you want to swing by say hi give me the finger etc. 
    Black shirt black jacket, look like typical pj fan

    some protestors are beginning to leave, they seem like nice enough people. one guy is filming. 
    What? No khakis?
    khakis yes, underwear no
    Im being accused of being a paid protestor working for Soros
    Members Only jacket?
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    I lived in Seattle on and off for a few years and there was a statue there in 95/96 that made quite a stir.  The statue is still there to my disbelief.

    Take this one down next.
    http://www.travelchannel.com/videos/lenin-in-seattle-0223483
    I'm at the Lenin statue counter protesting the protestors if you want to swing by say hi give me the finger etc. 
    Black shirt black jacket, look like typical pj fan

    some protestors are beginning to leave, they seem like nice enough people. one guy is filming. 
    What? No khakis?
    khakis yes, underwear no
    Im being accused of being a paid protestor working for Soros
    Members Only jacket?
    Jordache...the mariners game let out so I'm on my way to the polka club
  • tempo_n_groove
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    jeffbr said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    from the seattle times: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lenin-statue-is-loved-hated-and-very-fremont/

    If someone said there’s a statue of Lenin in the Fremont neighborhood you’d expect it to be of John Lennon, not Vladimir.

    But for a neighborhood whose motto is “De Libertas Quirkas,” the freedom to be peculiar, it’s not a surprise.

    The path to Seattle from Poprad, Slovakia, for this 8-ton bronze of the Communist revolutionary occurred because Lewis Carpenter of Issaquah saw it, bought it and brought it back after the collapse of the Soviet bloc.

    He died in 1994, but the family still owns it, and Jon Hegeman, with the Fremont Arts Council, says it’s still for sale for $250,000 or best offer.

    The 16-foot Lenin, striding boldly and backed by flames and firearms, still evokes strong responses, though he died 91 years ago.

    Lenin was responsible for untold deaths, and many equate him with Hitler and Stalin. Vandals often paint the statue’s hands blood red.

    He joins more than 60 other art installations in Fremont, including the Troll, the Guidepost marking the “center of the universe,” “Waiting for the Interurban” and the Rocket.

    Fremontologist and neighborhood expert Kirby Lindsay Lanay says, “I hate it in the sense it upsets people. I understand their pain. I like art that makes you feel good.”

    Mike Clark with the Fremont Arts Council says, “It’s perfectly Fremont.” At first he was opposed to the statue and “now, totally indifferent. It’s super popular and part of the (Fremont) shtick.”

    Lindsay Laney says, “Love him or hate him, he’s as much a part of Fremont as the rest of our art. We dress him up in a tutu for gay pride.

    “Taco del Mar made a giant (tinfoil wrapped) burrito for him to hold, but it looked like a doobie.”

    There are few places in America where a statue of Lenin would find a home, and now the Communist revolutionary looks out over a capitalistic commercial business district.

    Hegeman says if Lenin sells, he’d like to see another statue in its place.

    Imagine John Lennon.

    And, today Vlad's statue is back in the local news... :lol:

    Fremont's Lenin Statue Is Currently Under Siege By Trump Supporters and An Alt-Right Troll



    I always found it odd that this statue existed and when other statues came into question I was wondering why this one wasn't targeted more.

    Years ago I figured the ACLU would go to trial and remove it.  Seriously.
  • Go Beavers
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    jeffbr said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    from the seattle times: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lenin-statue-is-loved-hated-and-very-fremont/

    If someone said there’s a statue of Lenin in the Fremont neighborhood you’d expect it to be of John Lennon, not Vladimir.

    But for a neighborhood whose motto is “De Libertas Quirkas,” the freedom to be peculiar, it’s not a surprise.

    The path to Seattle from Poprad, Slovakia, for this 8-ton bronze of the Communist revolutionary occurred because Lewis Carpenter of Issaquah saw it, bought it and brought it back after the collapse of the Soviet bloc.

    He died in 1994, but the family still owns it, and Jon Hegeman, with the Fremont Arts Council, says it’s still for sale for $250,000 or best offer.

    The 16-foot Lenin, striding boldly and backed by flames and firearms, still evokes strong responses, though he died 91 years ago.

    Lenin was responsible for untold deaths, and many equate him with Hitler and Stalin. Vandals often paint the statue’s hands blood red.

    He joins more than 60 other art installations in Fremont, including the Troll, the Guidepost marking the “center of the universe,” “Waiting for the Interurban” and the Rocket.

    Fremontologist and neighborhood expert Kirby Lindsay Lanay says, “I hate it in the sense it upsets people. I understand their pain. I like art that makes you feel good.”

    Mike Clark with the Fremont Arts Council says, “It’s perfectly Fremont.” At first he was opposed to the statue and “now, totally indifferent. It’s super popular and part of the (Fremont) shtick.”

    Lindsay Laney says, “Love him or hate him, he’s as much a part of Fremont as the rest of our art. We dress him up in a tutu for gay pride.

    “Taco del Mar made a giant (tinfoil wrapped) burrito for him to hold, but it looked like a doobie.”

    There are few places in America where a statue of Lenin would find a home, and now the Communist revolutionary looks out over a capitalistic commercial business district.

    Hegeman says if Lenin sells, he’d like to see another statue in its place.

    Imagine John Lennon.

    And, today Vlad's statue is back in the local news... :lol:

    Fremont's Lenin Statue Is Currently Under Siege By Trump Supporters and An Alt-Right Troll



    I always found it odd that this statue existed and when other statues came into question I was wondering why this one wasn't targeted more.

    Years ago I figured the ACLU would go to trial and remove it.  Seriously.
    You think the aclu is going to try and remove a statue? Only if it's Jesus at a public school. 
  • brianlux
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    I'm still trying to figure out what "Confederacy erasing history" means.  How does history erase the Confederacy?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    What happened? Where did it occur? We were promised violence for the cameras and press at the memorial service for Heather. What? It didn't happen? I watched all day just for that?

    Someone on here was spreading fake news. Sad!
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  • JC29856
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    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    jeffbr said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    from the seattle times: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lenin-statue-is-loved-hated-and-very-fremont/

    If someone said there’s a statue of Lenin in the Fremont neighborhood you’d expect it to be of John Lennon, not Vladimir.

    But for a neighborhood whose motto is “De Libertas Quirkas,” the freedom to be peculiar, it’s not a surprise.

    The path to Seattle from Poprad, Slovakia, for this 8-ton bronze of the Communist revolutionary occurred because Lewis Carpenter of Issaquah saw it, bought it and brought it back after the collapse of the Soviet bloc.

    He died in 1994, but the family still owns it, and Jon Hegeman, with the Fremont Arts Council, says it’s still for sale for $250,000 or best offer.

    The 16-foot Lenin, striding boldly and backed by flames and firearms, still evokes strong responses, though he died 91 years ago.

    Lenin was responsible for untold deaths, and many equate him with Hitler and Stalin. Vandals often paint the statue’s hands blood red.

    He joins more than 60 other art installations in Fremont, including the Troll, the Guidepost marking the “center of the universe,” “Waiting for the Interurban” and the Rocket.

    Fremontologist and neighborhood expert Kirby Lindsay Lanay says, “I hate it in the sense it upsets people. I understand their pain. I like art that makes you feel good.”

    Mike Clark with the Fremont Arts Council says, “It’s perfectly Fremont.” At first he was opposed to the statue and “now, totally indifferent. It’s super popular and part of the (Fremont) shtick.”

    Lindsay Laney says, “Love him or hate him, he’s as much a part of Fremont as the rest of our art. We dress him up in a tutu for gay pride.

    “Taco del Mar made a giant (tinfoil wrapped) burrito for him to hold, but it looked like a doobie.”

    There are few places in America where a statue of Lenin would find a home, and now the Communist revolutionary looks out over a capitalistic commercial business district.

    Hegeman says if Lenin sells, he’d like to see another statue in its place.

    Imagine John Lennon.

    And, today Vlad's statue is back in the local news... :lol:

    Fremont's Lenin Statue Is Currently Under Siege By Trump Supporters and An Alt-Right Troll



    I always found it odd that this statue existed and when other statues came into question I was wondering why this one wasn't targeted more.

    Years ago I figured the ACLU would go to trial and remove it.  Seriously.
    You think the aclu is going to try and remove a statue? Only if it's Jesus at a public school. 
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
    very strong point...but compare the date of your cute tweet to the date of my earlier posts. what's your conclusion?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    Here is another one, since were in the vicinity, 24 carat!!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tecumseh_Sherman_(Saint-Gaudens)#/media/File:William_Tecumseh_Sherman_Monument_New_York_January_2016_002.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tecumseh_Sherman

    The more Indians we can kill this year the fewer we will need to kill the next, because the more I see of the Indians the more convinced I become that they must either all be killed or be maintained as a species of pauper. Their attempts at civilization is ridiculous... Classic Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman


    here's one!
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,015
    JC29856 said:
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
    very strong point...but compare the date of your cute tweet to the date of my earlier posts. what's your conclusion?
    That you're trolling. Duh.
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  • Cliffy6745
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    Does Germany have monuments of Hitler?  It is part of their history, after all...
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    I guess I missed the news the other day about the idiots trying to tear down the peace monument in Atlanta because evidently every monument is racist...

    https://www.rt.com/usa/399584-atlanta-confederate-monument-damage/

  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,955
    edited August 2017
    The descendants of Lee, Jackson and Davis want the Confederate statues to come down
    By Polo Sandoval and Darran Simon, CNN

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/us/robert-e-lees-grandson-comments-on-statue-removal/index.html
    -------------------------------------------------
    Re: link above. There are Confederate cemeteries and museums and the statues would be absolutely appropriate there. We have so many Americans that truly deserve a statue for accomplishments that have positively affected America...and all Americans. Let's have more of those. A nice Maya Angelou statue; we need more like that...inspiring statues of good Americans. :)

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
    ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. I was thinking about this the other day. why America still celebrates that genocidal maniac is beyond me. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    CM189191 said:
    JC29856 said:
    Why no talk about removing statues of those that committed genocide against Native Americans/American Indians? I guess we will begin to talk remove those statues once were done with the southern racism statues.
    It's amazing how consistently you parrot right wing talking points. Is there a daily email, so you all spout the same derp? 



    Sure I'm all for it. Let's start by getting rid of Columbus day and make it a national holiday for  voting. 
    ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. I was thinking about this the other day. why America still celebrates that genocidal maniac is beyond me. 
    You either subscribe to the talking point memo emails, if one exists, and opened it before Geraldo or you can think for yourself.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    Ship em all to the American Genocide Museum. Then those neo-nazi ay-holes can go there and weep about how great out country was.