JC29856 said:

Hey, here's an idea!! Wonder why we don't have one of these?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/opinion/sunday/america-needs-a-national-slavery-monument.html

mace1229 said:

There's two arguments that keep coming up that I don't agree with.
1. The argument that what losing country has statues displayed about the war  in another country.
     That might be true with most wars, but this is different. The civil war was all America, on both sides. History writes it as 600,000 Americans dead. They can divide it into which side they fought on, but still over half a million Americans died. So it isn't a foreign country. What country would you propose a memorial to those fallen soldiers be if not in the southern US?

2. They were traitors/lost the war so why have memorials.
    Winning or losing has nothing to do with the sacrifice many made. The average soldier wasn't a traitor. They didn't car about slavery and were forced to fight for a cause and war they didn't care about. I even saw someone say the only heroes of the south were the conscientious objectors. Really? That probably wasn't even a phrase back then. You'd get shot or hung for treason or desertion if you didn't fight. Some compared the confederate soldier statue to Germany putting up statues of Hitler. Not even close. I'm not sure if they exist, but I would have zero issue with Germany putting up memorials and statues of fallen German soldiers of WWII who were forced to fight and give up their lives for someone else's cause. 

Lastly, if you're so against the South and shame anyone for remembering their fallen, who do you support, the North? You mean, the part that still didn't declare blacks a full human and paid them much less? The side that holds the deadly a huge success, you know the march that went from Atlanta to Savannah that raped and killed everyone in their path. So we need to remember that side, and forget the South?

It was a horrible time for our country, and lots of horrible things happened. But we can still remember the fallen, on both sides.

mace1229 said:

There's two arguments that keep coming up that I don't agree with.
1. The argument that what losing country has statues displayed about the war  in another country.
     That might be true with most wars, but this is different. The civil war was all America, on both sides. History writes it as 600,000 Americans dead. They can divide it into which side they fought on, but still over half a million Americans died. So it isn't a foreign country. What country would you propose a memorial to those fallen soldiers be if not in the southern US?

2. They were traitors/lost the war so why have memorials.
    Winning or losing has nothing to do with the sacrifice many made. The average soldier wasn't a traitor. They didn't car about slavery and were forced to fight for a cause and war they didn't care about. I even saw someone say the only heroes of the south were the conscientious objectors. Really? That probably wasn't even a phrase back then. You'd get shot or hung for treason or desertion if you didn't fight. Some compared the confederate soldier statue to Germany putting up statues of Hitler. Not even close. I'm not sure if they exist, but I would have zero issue with Germany putting up memorials and statues of fallen German soldiers of WWII who were forced to fight and give up their lives for someone else's cause. 

Lastly, if you're so against the South and shame anyone for remembering their fallen, who do you support, the North? You mean, the part that still didn't declare blacks a full human and paid them much less? The side that holds the deadly a huge success, you know the march that went from Atlanta to Savannah that raped and killed everyone in their path. So we need to remember that side, and forget the South?

It was a horrible time for our country, and lots of horrible things happened. But we can still remember the fallen, on both sides.

mace1229 said:

There's two arguments that keep coming up that I don't agree with.
1. The argument that what losing country has statues displayed about the war  in another country.
     That might be true with most wars, but this is different. The civil war was all America, on both sides. History writes it as 600,000 Americans dead. They can divide it into which side they fought on, but still over half a million Americans died. So it isn't a foreign country. What country would you propose a memorial to those fallen soldiers be if not in the southern US?

2. They were traitors/lost the war so why have memorials.
    Winning or losing has nothing to do with the sacrifice many made. The average soldier wasn't a traitor. They didn't car about slavery and were forced to fight for a cause and war they didn't care about. I even saw someone say the only heroes of the south were the conscientious objectors. Really? That probably wasn't even a phrase back then. You'd get shot or hung for treason or desertion if you didn't fight. Some compared the confederate soldier statue to Germany putting up statues of Hitler. Not even close. I'm not sure if they exist, but I would have zero issue with Germany putting up memorials and statues of fallen German soldiers of WWII who were forced to fight and give up their lives for someone else's cause. 

Lastly, if you're so against the South and shame anyone for remembering their fallen, who do you support, the North? You mean, the part that still didn't declare blacks a full human and paid them much less? The side that holds the deadly a huge success, you know the march that went from Atlanta to Savannah that raped and killed everyone in their path. So we need to remember that side, and forget the South?

It was a horrible time for our country, and lots of horrible things happened. But we can still remember the fallen, on both sides.

mcgruff10 said:

from the seattle times: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lenin-statue-is-loved-hated-and-very-fremont/

If someone said there’s a statue of Lenin in the Fremont neighborhood you’d expect it to be of John Lennon, not Vladimir.

But for a neighborhood whose motto is “De Libertas Quirkas,” the freedom to be peculiar, it’s not a surprise.

The path to Seattle from Poprad, Slovakia, for this 8-ton bronze of the Communist revolutionary occurred because Lewis Carpenter of Issaquah saw it, bought it and brought it back after the collapse of the Soviet bloc.

He died in 1994, but the family still owns it, and Jon Hegeman, with the Fremont Arts Council, says it’s still for sale for $250,000 or best offer.

The 16-foot Lenin, striding boldly and backed by flames and firearms, still evokes strong responses, though he died 91 years ago.

Lenin was responsible for untold deaths, and many equate him with Hitler and Stalin. Vandals often paint the statue’s hands blood red.

He joins more than 60 other art installations in Fremont, including the Troll, the Guidepost marking the “center of the universe,” “Waiting for the Interurban” and the Rocket.

Fremontologist and neighborhood expert Kirby Lindsay Lanay says, “I hate it in the sense it upsets people. I understand their pain. I like art that makes you feel good.”

Mike Clark with the Fremont Arts Council says, “It’s perfectly Fremont.” At first he was opposed to the statue and “now, totally indifferent. It’s super popular and part of the (Fremont) shtick.”

Lindsay Laney says, “Love him or hate him, he’s as much a part of Fremont as the rest of our art. We dress him up in a tutu for gay pride.

“Taco del Mar made a giant (tinfoil wrapped) burrito for him to hold, but it looked like a doobie.”

There are few places in America where a statue of Lenin would find a home, and now the Communist revolutionary looks out over a capitalistic commercial business district.

Hegeman says if Lenin sells, he’d like to see another statue in its place.

Imagine John Lennon.

Fremont's Lenin Statue Is Currently Under Siege By Trump Supporters and An Alt-Right Troll

JC29856 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I lived in Seattle on and off for a few years and there was a statue there in 95/96 that made quite a stir.  The statue is still there to my disbelief.

Take this one down next.
http://www.travelchannel.com/videos/lenin-in-seattle-0223483

I'm at the Lenin statue counter protesting the protestors if you want to swing by say hi give me the finger etc. 
Black shirt black jacket, look like typical pj fan

some protestors are beginning to leave, they seem like nice enough people. one guy is filming.