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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Screaming no.  
    Insistently saying he's got nothing but flawed policies and personnel around him, and his base is populated with morons, guilty AF.  
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,138
    edited August 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    I think instead of making an immediate off the hip speech right after the tragic event happened would have been lost on so many.  No one cares what a politician says during an extreme time of hate/mourning/pain.  After a few days for everything to sink in and emotions a little ( I say a little) less heated the people who the message was intended for were in a better position to receive it.  You can't react to everything at every second and expect your message to be heard.  It's like people that constantly post in one thread.  Eventually people don't read them. So to answer no I don't think it was damage control.

    that's a great point!
    how is that a great point? his comments 2 days apart contradict each other. the first was obviously from his puny brain, the second was probably written by Ivanka. 

    I don't ever recall a sitting president saying nothing about a major event to "let the events sink in". 
    I think a politician talking a day or two after the event is a ok.  I mean fdr waited until december 8th.  but by no means do I support the President.

    follow up question:  what is everyone's opinion of taking down these statues of confederate generals?  As a historian I have mixed emotions; it is a part of u.s. history but what they stood for is obviously wrong.  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    HesCalledDyer said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Too little and way too late. Fuck Trump and his nonstop bullshit.


    You guys don't think that after that condemnation speech has altered your perception of him a little?  I think it was a very great thing doing that.  Calling out those hate groups.
    Like someone else said: too little, too late.  He should've called them out Saturday.  At the very latest it should've been his first statement when he woke up yesterday.  The white supremacist groups already took his initial statement as "he wasn't talking about us, he said all sides."
    He's just saying it now because he has to, not because he wants to.
    And there you have it.  He technically doesn't have to do anything.  Why does he have to? To save his Presidency or because it is the right thing or both?  Who is saying he has to do this?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,644
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    I think instead of making an immediate off the hip speech right after the tragic event happened would have been lost on so many.  No one cares what a politician says during an extreme time of hate/mourning/pain.  After a few days for everything to sink in and emotions a little ( I say a little) less heated the people who the message was intended for were in a better position to receive it.  You can't react to everything at every second and expect your message to be heard.  It's like people that constantly post in one thread.  Eventually people don't read them. So to answer no I don't think it was damage control.

    that's a great point!
    how is that a great point? his comments 2 days apart contradict each other. the first was obviously from his puny brain, the second was probably written by Ivanka. 

    I don't ever recall a sitting president saying nothing about a major event to "let the events sink in". 
    I think a politician talking a day or two after the event is a ok.  I mean fdr waited until december 8th.
    fair. but what about the "both sides" comment?
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    There he just called out all those hate groups.  Is he still a racist?
    Yep, just named the KKK, Neo Nazis, White Supremacist specifically...Way better speech than Obama's dodging when BLM was setting Baltimore on fire...not that I'm a "trumpito" or anything.
    How do you know blm was setting fires?
    Um...Where were you last year???
    Were the people setting fires part of organized blm? 
    Power was there to check their BLM ID cards.
    They burn those too, evidently BLM and Antifa's go to is to burn up everything in sight.
    You're right, totally the same as Nazis and ISIS.
    Those are your words bub.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,034
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    I think instead of making an immediate off the hip speech right after the tragic event happened would have been lost on so many.  No one cares what a politician says during an extreme time of hate/mourning/pain.  After a few days for everything to sink in and emotions a little ( I say a little) less heated the people who the message was intended for were in a better position to receive it.  You can't react to everything at every second and expect your message to be heard.  It's like people that constantly post in one thread.  Eventually people don't read them. So to answer no I don't think it was damage control.

    that's a great point!
    how is that a great point? his comments 2 days apart contradict each other. the first was obviously from his puny brain, the second was probably written by Ivanka. 

    I don't ever recall a sitting president saying nothing about a major event to "let the events sink in". 
    I think a politician talking a day or two after the event is a ok.  I mean fdr waited until december 8th.  but by no means do I support the President.

    follow up question:  what is everyone's opinion of taking down these statues of confederate generals?  As a historian I have mixed emotions; it is a part of u.s. history but what they stood for is obviously wrong.  
    Trump didn't wait. He said what he really felt the day of.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,138
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    I think instead of making an immediate off the hip speech right after the tragic event happened would have been lost on so many.  No one cares what a politician says during an extreme time of hate/mourning/pain.  After a few days for everything to sink in and emotions a little ( I say a little) less heated the people who the message was intended for were in a better position to receive it.  You can't react to everything at every second and expect your message to be heard.  It's like people that constantly post in one thread.  Eventually people don't read them. So to answer no I don't think it was damage control.

    that's a great point!
    how is that a great point? his comments 2 days apart contradict each other. the first was obviously from his puny brain, the second was probably written by Ivanka. 

    I don't ever recall a sitting president saying nothing about a major event to "let the events sink in". 
    I think a politician talking a day or two after the event is a ok.  I mean fdr waited until december 8th.
    fair. but what about the "both sides" comment?
    oh the original speech was absolutely terrible!  For god sakes Lindsay Graham ridiculed him!  Today was definitely late but it was a good speech.  I hated the fact that he started with talking about the economy.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,902
    PJ_Soul said:
    What I have found most infuriating in the past couple of days is the refusal of SO many people to acknowledge the distinction between good and evil. This has been the weekend of false equivalencies like we've rarely been able to witness before.
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    Goddam right...
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    I think instead of making an immediate off the hip speech right after the tragic event happened would have been lost on so many.  No one cares what a politician says during an extreme time of hate/mourning/pain.  After a few days for everything to sink in and emotions a little ( I say a little) less heated the people who the message was intended for were in a better position to receive it.  You can't react to everything at every second and expect your message to be heard.  It's like people that constantly post in one thread.  Eventually people don't read them. So to answer no I don't think it was damage control.

    that's a great point!
    how is that a great point? his comments 2 days apart contradict each other. the first was obviously from his puny brain, the second was probably written by Ivanka. 

    I don't ever recall a sitting president saying nothing about a major event to "let the events sink in". 
    I think a politician talking a day or two after the event is a ok.  I mean fdr waited until december 8th.  but by no means do I support the President.

    follow up question:  what is everyone's opinion of taking down these statues of confederate generals?  As a historian I have mixed emotions; it is a part of u.s. history but what they stood for is obviously wrong.  
    Except he never took time to think about the situation and formulate a response.

    He flapped off and tipped his hat. His second response was damage control- written by his advisors.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,743
    edited August 2017
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Too little and way too late. Fuck Trump and his nonstop bullshit.


    You guys don't think that after that condemnation speech has altered your perception of him a little?  I think it was a very great thing doing that.  Calling out those hate groups.
    No, doesn't change my perception of him at all. If anything, it's worse (if that is even possible). He showed his usual true self with his first statement. The only reason he made the second one was because he realized that his real statement caused a lot more backlash than his dimwitted brain could conceive of at the time. This was damage control, pure and simple. Trump is WAAAAAAY beyond the point of redemption at this point.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,902
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Anyone?  Is President Trump still a racist now? Anyone?
    He bowed to political pressure.  Nothing more.  Where was this the previous 48 hours? His officials tried to defend it,  not tried to couch it,  but the story wasn't fading.  We'll see what happens after the Texas rally. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,138
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ^^^
    I think instead of making an immediate off the hip speech right after the tragic event happened would have been lost on so many.  No one cares what a politician says during an extreme time of hate/mourning/pain.  After a few days for everything to sink in and emotions a little ( I say a little) less heated the people who the message was intended for were in a better position to receive it.  You can't react to everything at every second and expect your message to be heard.  It's like people that constantly post in one thread.  Eventually people don't read them. So to answer no I don't think it was damage control.

    that's a great point!
    how is that a great point? his comments 2 days apart contradict each other. the first was obviously from his puny brain, the second was probably written by Ivanka. 

    I don't ever recall a sitting president saying nothing about a major event to "let the events sink in". 
    I think a politician talking a day or two after the event is a ok.  I mean fdr waited until december 8th.  but by no means do I support the President.

    follow up question:  what is everyone's opinion of taking down these statues of confederate generals?  As a historian I have mixed emotions; it is a part of u.s. history but what they stood for is obviously wrong.  
    Except he never took time to think about the situation and formulate a response.

    He flapped off and tipped his hat. His second response was damage control- written by his advisors.
    agreed.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,902
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Anyone?  Is President Trump still a racist now? Anyone?
    He bowed to political pressure.  Nothing more.  Where was this the previous 48 hours? His officials tried to defend it,  not tried to couch it,  but the story wasn't fading.  We'll see what happens after the Texas rally. 
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Trumpito is well known for nothing but measured response and tact.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Too little and way too late. Fuck Trump and his nonstop bullshit.


    You guys don't think that after that condemnation speech has altered your perception of him a little?  I think it was a very great thing doing that.  Calling out those hate groups.
    No, doesn't change my perception of him at all. If anything, it's worse (if that is even possible). He showed his usual true self with his first statement. The only reason he made the second one was because he realized that his real statement caused a lot more backlash than his dimwitted brain could conceive at the time. it was damage control, pure and simple. Trump is WAAAAAAY beyond the point of redemption at this point.

    But you guys wanted/needed him to call out the despicable evil and he did.  How is that not redemption?
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,969
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,743
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Too little and way too late. Fuck Trump and his nonstop bullshit.


    You guys don't think that after that condemnation speech has altered your perception of him a little?  I think it was a very great thing doing that.  Calling out those hate groups.
    No, doesn't change my perception of him at all. If anything, it's worse (if that is even possible). He showed his usual true self with his first statement. The only reason he made the second one was because he realized that his real statement caused a lot more backlash than his dimwitted brain could conceive at the time. it was damage control, pure and simple. Trump is WAAAAAAY beyond the point of redemption at this point.

    But you guys wanted/needed him to call out the despicable evil and he did.  How is that not redemption?
    Everyone has already answered this question.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Too little and way too late. Fuck Trump and his nonstop bullshit.


    You guys don't think that after that condemnation speech has altered your perception of him a little?  I think it was a very great thing doing that.  Calling out those hate groups.
    No, doesn't change my perception of him at all. If anything, it's worse (if that is even possible). He showed his usual true self with his first statement. The only reason he made the second one was because he realized that his real statement caused a lot more backlash than his dimwitted brain could conceive at the time. it was damage control, pure and simple. Trump is WAAAAAAY beyond the point of redemption at this point.

    But you guys wanted/needed him to call out the despicable evil and he did.  How is that not redemption?
    Everyone has already answered this question.

    I'm just asking you specifically. The speech today was it bullshit or not?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,902
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Too little and way too late. Fuck Trump and his nonstop bullshit.


    You guys don't think that after that condemnation speech has altered your perception of him a little?  I think it was a very great thing doing that.  Calling out those hate groups.
    No, doesn't change my perception of him at all. If anything, it's worse (if that is even possible). He showed his usual true self with his first statement. The only reason he made the second one was because he realized that his real statement caused a lot more backlash than his dimwitted brain could conceive at the time. it was damage control, pure and simple. Trump is WAAAAAAY beyond the point of redemption at this point.

    But you guys wanted/needed him to call out the despicable evil and he did.  How is that not redemption?
    Everyone has already answered this question.

    I'm just asking you specifically. The speech today was it bullshit or not?
    He missed the sincere opportunity... today was about limiting damage.  Think... please. 
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mfc2006 said:
    Too little and way too late. Fuck Trump and his nonstop bullshit.


    You guys don't think that after that condemnation speech has altered your perception of him a little?  I think it was a very great thing doing that.  Calling out those hate groups.
    No, doesn't change my perception of him at all. If anything, it's worse (if that is even possible). He showed his usual true self with his first statement. The only reason he made the second one was because he realized that his real statement caused a lot more backlash than his dimwitted brain could conceive at the time. it was damage control, pure and simple. Trump is WAAAAAAY beyond the point of redemption at this point.

    But you guys wanted/needed him to call out the despicable evil and he did.  How is that not redemption?
    Well, I, for one am glad that he did.
    It was a paltry step after his initial statement and the tacit approval that it garnered in white supremacist circles, but better than nothing.
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