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The Juggler said:Pro Trump media is the best
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The gift that keeps on giving. .....WaPo: Trump helped come up with misleading statement on Jr.'s meeting - CNNPolitics.com0
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So much for those brilliantly disappearing headlines. And you know what's best? That by doing so he opened up himself and others present to investigation, including preservation of documents, interviews and subpoenas. Oh Jared boy? Oh Jared dear boy, fetch me my Christmas party list, will you dear boy?Bentleyspop said:The gift that keeps on giving. .....WaPo: Trump helped come up with misleading statement on Jr.'s meeting - CNNPolitics.com09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Fucking amazing...I would love to hear tRump explain this to Kelly.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Big Boy president is not going to like this latest Rasmussen poll.........down to 39%. I guess Rasmussen is fake news now?The Juggler said:Remember when Trump proudly retweeted the right leaning outliner Rasmussen poll that had him at 50% a month ago?
He is at 42% in the same one today. Odd that he hasn't mentioned it...no?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jul31
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So now there's story and lawsuit alleging that Trump himself was involved with and told Fox to run the fake Seth Rich murder story a couple months ago?
It is impossible for this man to be more stupid. God help us when the shit its the fan with NK or something else. We are fucked.www.myspace.com0 -
No.curmudgeoness said:tbergs said:New levels of awesomeness.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-approval-rating-low-rasmussen-2017-7
I'm struggling to wrap my head around the idea that his approval ratings are that high. He is utterly lacking in redeeming qualities. I wouldn't hire him to mow my lawn, let alone vote for him to be president. Are there that many angry people in this country who just wanted to vote for the embodiment of their rage?
The majority of his base support comes from simple yokels that think chocolate milk comes from brown cows and that he is going to make America great again by building a wall."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
He touched on a lot of "tropes" that rile people upThirty Bills Unpaid said:
No.curmudgeoness said:tbergs said:New levels of awesomeness.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-approval-rating-low-rasmussen-2017-7
I'm struggling to wrap my head around the idea that his approval ratings are that high. He is utterly lacking in redeeming qualities. I wouldn't hire him to mow my lawn, let alone vote for him to be president. Are there that many angry people in this country who just wanted to vote for the embodiment of their rage?
The majority of his base support comes from simple yokels that think chocolate milk comes from brown cows and that he is going to make America great again by building a wall.
Those who think that Obama's presidency was solely to place Obamaphones in the hands of every black person who refuses to work.
Those who think that we can go back to the 50s, where entire communities work at the same factory, go to the same church, can leave doors unlocked, and cool apple pies on every windowsill
Those who hate people, especially politicians who are intellectual and educated.
Those who think we can go back to a time without smartphones, video games, and computers, and 10 year olds will be forced to do manual farm labor
Those who want to beat our chests and threaten to attack any nation or people at any perceived current or possible future slight.
Those elderlies who have been searching for another Eisenhower for 50-60 years and would believe a rock is Eisenhower if he was an Elephant and posed in front of troops rattling a bunch of sabers.0 -
Yup.MayDay10 said:
He touched on a lot of "tropes" that rile people upThirty Bills Unpaid said:
No.curmudgeoness said:tbergs said:New levels of awesomeness.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-approval-rating-low-rasmussen-2017-7
I'm struggling to wrap my head around the idea that his approval ratings are that high. He is utterly lacking in redeeming qualities. I wouldn't hire him to mow my lawn, let alone vote for him to be president. Are there that many angry people in this country who just wanted to vote for the embodiment of their rage?
The majority of his base support comes from simple yokels that think chocolate milk comes from brown cows and that he is going to make America great again by building a wall.
Those who think that Obama's presidency was solely to place Obamaphones in the hands of every black person who refuses to work.
Those who think that we can go back to the 50s, where entire communities work at the same factory, go to the same church, can leave doors unlocked, and cool apple pies on every windowsill
Those who hate people, especially politicians who are intellectual and educated.
Those who think we can go back to a time without smartphones, video games, and computers, and 10 year olds will be forced to do manual farm labor
Those who want to beat our chests and threaten to attack any nation or people at any perceived current or possible future slight.
Those elderlies who have been searching for another Eisenhower for 50-60 years and would believe a rock is Eisenhower if he was an Elephant and posed in front of troops rattling a bunch of sabers.
The deep, dark, troubling part of the American psyche.
Ultimately revealing there is still much work to be done."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Nine years ago, Glenn Greenwald published a book, Great American Hypocrites, about our cultural/ political infatuation with the swaggering war hero stereotype. Think John Wayne; key point being that Wayne avoided combat at a time when his peers (such as actual war hero Jimmy Stewart) were fighting in WWII. But we love, we idealize, the loud swagger, regardless of what is real. In that vein, 45 is a loud, bullying, empty suit, all bluster, no substance, no muscle, just posturing.
From http://brooklynrail.org/2008/05/express/a-party-of-frauds :
<<<To this day, John Wayne is the prototype of the uber-patriotic, uber-masculine, uber-courageous Moral Republican Warrior. His imagery is the template that pioneered the brand and that the Right uses to this day to build up their political leaders. In 1995—18 years after his death—he remained the most admired film actor in America. The Los Angeles Times said that, even nearly two decades after his death, his image “exemplified the ideal American fighting man.” After 9/11, Peggy Noonan wrote a column hailing the return of “the Duke”—of “real men” who bellow: “Yer in a whole lotta trouble now, Osama-boy.”Yet John Wayne was one of America’s biggest and most repugnant frauds—in exactly the way that most modern right-wing leaders are. At a time when virtually nobody avoided combat, Wayne did exactly that, using the most dishonorable means imaginable, throughout all of World War II. Because the most successful male actors, including older ones, went to fight, he was able to stay in Hollywood and become extremely rich playing war heroes. He spent the rest of his life glorifying every American war and accusing war opponents of being cowards, Communists and traitors. He crusaded for traditional American morality, attacking others whom he perceived to deviate, while he engaged in compulsive womanizing and adultery, repeatedly breaking up his own family, and wallowing in pill addictions. Before there was Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, George Bush, Bill Kristol, David Vitter, and even John McCain—there was John Wayne. One finds key parts of Wayne in each of them. To this day, he’s the role model for how the Right conducts itself and the methods they use to swindle the American public.>>>
More here: http://www.antiwar.com/orig/greenwald.php
And while Greenwald is specifically attacking Republicans/ conservatives for this behavior, I think there is an important lesson in critical thinking here for all of us.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0 -
Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold TaleThe Juggler said:So now there's story and lawsuit alleging that Trump himself was involved with and told Fox to run the fake Seth Rich murder story a couple months ago?
It is impossible for this man to be more stupid. God help us when the shit its the fan with NK or something else. We are fucked.
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540783715/lawsuit-alleges-fox-news-and-trump-supporter-created-fake-news-story
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Is the reporter's chief criticism that of glorifying warriors, or that some warriors are frauds. I would ague both have been a part of human nature for almost 3k years+0
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took last min vacation, what did I miss? trump cleaning house?mrussel1 said:
None of these criticisms have anything to do with your central point... evidently that Preet and Lindsey are wrong and Trump can prosecute his political enemies. Try addressing that point rather than trying to throw curve balls.JC29856 said:
preet is banking on people being gullible and naive and trusting his sour grapes comments.mrussel1 said:
A unitary executive doesn't mean they have limitless power. The DOJ didn't even exist when the Constitution was written. It's the nation's chief law enforcement tool. It's not Trump's personal vendetta squad. You actually still have to meet the standards of prosecution in order to prosecute. Care to explain how Preet is wrong vs. just stating it as if it's a fact? I'm pretty sure he's a helluva lot more qualified than you considering he held the most prestigious US Attorney post in the country.JC29856 said:
Preet dead wrong...Lindsays opinion can't be wrong technically since he uses the word inappropriate.mrussel1 said:
I'm sorry, you think Preet and Lindsey are wrong? I think you may have the finger pointed in the wrong direction.JC29856 said:are their any political science junkies out there?
would someone explain unitary executive to the dumb trump supporters and these two below.
Any poli sci gurus know more than a US attorney?
for those that don't know, I'm of the opinion that the presidency has gained too much power over the last 18 years.
anyone have any thoughts on why Congress let the office of independent counsel die in 1999? why would Congress let a very powerful check and balance to the president expire? an office for Congress independent of the AG and DoJ? if it were still around today, we wouldn't be having any conversation about Trump firing Sessions and orMueller, we wouldn't be talking about a president trying to "dictate prosecution". maybe preet knows
I never responded the preets bs, sorry for the delay... anyway the vesting clause, the take care clause or faithful execution clause and of course the pardon prove preets tweet dead wrong. he should know this already (so should an informed citizenry)?
anyway a decent read regarding the office of independent counsel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/19/politics-could-still-block-muellers-investigation-i-know-i-wrote-the-rules/
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And that's a lot of people. After adjusting for the electoral college and what I'm suspecting will be brazen and transparent efforts to disenfranchise the non-white, maybe even the majority. See you in 2024.MayDay10 said:
He touched on a lot of "tropes" that rile people upThirty Bills Unpaid said:
No.curmudgeoness said:tbergs said:New levels of awesomeness.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-approval-rating-low-rasmussen-2017-7
I'm struggling to wrap my head around the idea that his approval ratings are that high. He is utterly lacking in redeeming qualities. I wouldn't hire him to mow my lawn, let alone vote for him to be president. Are there that many angry people in this country who just wanted to vote for the embodiment of their rage?
The majority of his base support comes from simple yokels that think chocolate milk comes from brown cows and that he is going to make America great again by building a wall.
Those who think that Obama's presidency was solely to place Obamaphones in the hands of every black person who refuses to work.
Those who think that we can go back to the 50s, where entire communities work at the same factory, go to the same church, can leave doors unlocked, and cool apple pies on every windowsill
Those who hate people, especially politicians who are intellectual and educated.
Those who think we can go back to a time without smartphones, video games, and computers, and 10 year olds will be forced to do manual farm labor
Those who want to beat our chests and threaten to attack any nation or people at any perceived current or possible future slight.
Those elderlies who have been searching for another Eisenhower for 50-60 years and would believe a rock is Eisenhower if he was an Elephant and posed in front of troops rattling a bunch of sabers.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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So your reading of the Take Care clause (as an example) and the others is that the POTUS wields unlimited power to investigate and prosecute a person, regardless of whether that person is in actual violation of a statute. HRC has already been cleared by the FBI, yet that doesn't satisfy Trump (or you). You must believe that the Constitution bestows Kingly powers on the POTUS to make such an argument. Most humanoids read into it what it actually says "Take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"..not to override professional prosecutors or create new laws on a whim.JC29856 said:
took last min vacation, what did I miss? trump cleaning house?mrussel1 said:
None of these criticisms have anything to do with your central point... evidently that Preet and Lindsey are wrong and Trump can prosecute his political enemies. Try addressing that point rather than trying to throw curve balls.JC29856 said:
preet is banking on people being gullible and naive and trusting his sour grapes comments.mrussel1 said:
A unitary executive doesn't mean they have limitless power. The DOJ didn't even exist when the Constitution was written. It's the nation's chief law enforcement tool. It's not Trump's personal vendetta squad. You actually still have to meet the standards of prosecution in order to prosecute. Care to explain how Preet is wrong vs. just stating it as if it's a fact? I'm pretty sure he's a helluva lot more qualified than you considering he held the most prestigious US Attorney post in the country.JC29856 said:
Preet dead wrong...Lindsays opinion can't be wrong technically since he uses the word inappropriate.mrussel1 said:
I'm sorry, you think Preet and Lindsey are wrong? I think you may have the finger pointed in the wrong direction.JC29856 said:are their any political science junkies out there?
would someone explain unitary executive to the dumb trump supporters and these two below.
Any poli sci gurus know more than a US attorney?
for those that don't know, I'm of the opinion that the presidency has gained too much power over the last 18 years.
anyone have any thoughts on why Congress let the office of independent counsel die in 1999? why would Congress let a very powerful check and balance to the president expire? an office for Congress independent of the AG and DoJ? if it were still around today, we wouldn't be having any conversation about Trump firing Sessions and orMueller, we wouldn't be talking about a president trying to "dictate prosecution". maybe preet knows
I never responded the preets bs, sorry for the delay... anyway the vesting clause, the take care clause or faithful execution clause and of course the pardon prove preets tweet dead wrong. he should know this already (so should an informed citizenry)?
anyway a decent read regarding the office of independent counsel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/19/politics-could-still-block-muellers-investigation-i-know-i-wrote-the-rules/
Yes, you are quite the informed citizenry aren't you, contorting your logic in 15 different ways to support Trump while simultaneously calling yourself progressive or liberal. As your king might say... SAD!0 -
Nope, you're saying all that, you're also bringing in Hilliary for some reason. I'm simply saying the president does have the power to dictate who gets prosecuted and who gets let off, obvious clear contradiction to the prestigious US attorney Preet Bharara tweet.mrussel1 said:
So your reading of the Take Care clause (as an example) and the others is that the POTUS wields unlimited power to investigate and prosecute a person, regardless of whether that person is in actual violation of a statute. HRC has already been cleared by the FBI, yet that doesn't satisfy Trump (or you). You must believe that the Constitution bestows Kingly powers on the POTUS to make such an argument. Most humanoids read into it what it actually says "Take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"..not to override professional prosecutors or create new laws on a whim.JC29856 said:
took last min vacation, what did I miss? trump cleaning house?mrussel1 said:
None of these criticisms have anything to do with your central point... evidently that Preet and Lindsey are wrong and Trump can prosecute his political enemies. Try addressing that point rather than trying to throw curve balls.JC29856 said:
preet is banking on people being gullible and naive and trusting his sour grapes comments.mrussel1 said:
A unitary executive doesn't mean they have limitless power. The DOJ didn't even exist when the Constitution was written. It's the nation's chief law enforcement tool. It's not Trump's personal vendetta squad. You actually still have to meet the standards of prosecution in order to prosecute. Care to explain how Preet is wrong vs. just stating it as if it's a fact? I'm pretty sure he's a helluva lot more qualified than you considering he held the most prestigious US Attorney post in the country.JC29856 said:
Preet dead wrong...Lindsays opinion can't be wrong technically since he uses the word inappropriate.mrussel1 said:
I'm sorry, you think Preet and Lindsey are wrong? I think you may have the finger pointed in the wrong direction.JC29856 said:are their any political science junkies out there?
would someone explain unitary executive to the dumb trump supporters and these two below.
Any poli sci gurus know more than a US attorney?
for those that don't know, I'm of the opinion that the presidency has gained too much power over the last 18 years.
anyone have any thoughts on why Congress let the office of independent counsel die in 1999? why would Congress let a very powerful check and balance to the president expire? an office for Congress independent of the AG and DoJ? if it were still around today, we wouldn't be having any conversation about Trump firing Sessions and orMueller, we wouldn't be talking about a president trying to "dictate prosecution". maybe preet knows
I never responded the preets bs, sorry for the delay... anyway the vesting clause, the take care clause or faithful execution clause and of course the pardon prove preets tweet dead wrong. he should know this already (so should an informed citizenry)?
anyway a decent read regarding the office of independent counsel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/19/politics-could-still-block-muellers-investigation-i-know-i-wrote-the-rules/
Yes, you are quite the informed citizenry aren't you, contorting your logic in 15 different ways to support Trump while simultaneously calling yourself progressive or liberal. As your king might say... SAD!
Try more rebuttal and less of putting words in mouths.
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The President can dictate the veracity under which specific laws are prosecuted (marijuana laws are a good example). However, that person can only be prosecuted within a statute where there is a probability that it was violated. Hillary is being brought up because that's the actual issue at hand in both Preet's and Graham's tweet. She was investigated and ultimately cleared. No amount of Trump twitting can actually create a violation of a statute.JC29856 said:
Nope, you're saying all that, you're also bringing in Hilliary for some reason. I'm simply saying the president does have the power to dictate who gets prosecuted and who gets let off, obvious clear contradiction to the prestigious US attorney Preet Bharara tweet.mrussel1 said:
So your reading of the Take Care clause (as an example) and the others is that the POTUS wields unlimited power to investigate and prosecute a person, regardless of whether that person is in actual violation of a statute. HRC has already been cleared by the FBI, yet that doesn't satisfy Trump (or you). You must believe that the Constitution bestows Kingly powers on the POTUS to make such an argument. Most humanoids read into it what it actually says "Take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"..not to override professional prosecutors or create new laws on a whim.JC29856 said:
took last min vacation, what did I miss? trump cleaning house?mrussel1 said:
None of these criticisms have anything to do with your central point... evidently that Preet and Lindsey are wrong and Trump can prosecute his political enemies. Try addressing that point rather than trying to throw curve balls.JC29856 said:
preet is banking on people being gullible and naive and trusting his sour grapes comments.mrussel1 said:
A unitary executive doesn't mean they have limitless power. The DOJ didn't even exist when the Constitution was written. It's the nation's chief law enforcement tool. It's not Trump's personal vendetta squad. You actually still have to meet the standards of prosecution in order to prosecute. Care to explain how Preet is wrong vs. just stating it as if it's a fact? I'm pretty sure he's a helluva lot more qualified than you considering he held the most prestigious US Attorney post in the country.JC29856 said:
Preet dead wrong...Lindsays opinion can't be wrong technically since he uses the word inappropriate.mrussel1 said:
I'm sorry, you think Preet and Lindsey are wrong? I think you may have the finger pointed in the wrong direction.JC29856 said:are their any political science junkies out there?
would someone explain unitary executive to the dumb trump supporters and these two below.
Any poli sci gurus know more than a US attorney?
for those that don't know, I'm of the opinion that the presidency has gained too much power over the last 18 years.
anyone have any thoughts on why Congress let the office of independent counsel die in 1999? why would Congress let a very powerful check and balance to the president expire? an office for Congress independent of the AG and DoJ? if it were still around today, we wouldn't be having any conversation about Trump firing Sessions and orMueller, we wouldn't be talking about a president trying to "dictate prosecution". maybe preet knows
I never responded the preets bs, sorry for the delay... anyway the vesting clause, the take care clause or faithful execution clause and of course the pardon prove preets tweet dead wrong. he should know this already (so should an informed citizenry)?
anyway a decent read regarding the office of independent counsel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/19/politics-could-still-block-muellers-investigation-i-know-i-wrote-the-rules/
Yes, you are quite the informed citizenry aren't you, contorting your logic in 15 different ways to support Trump while simultaneously calling yourself progressive or liberal. As your king might say... SAD!
Try more rebuttal and less of putting words in mouths.0 -
Possibly... but even as the economy continues to improve, he is leaking voters a lot faster than I imagined. I thought I saw he has completely lost something like 10% of his voters.... which is gargantuan considering how the 2016 election went.... especially since his opposition is as motivated as ever and I dont expect anyone to sleep on Trump. I expect him to erode some more base. The economy is going to be due to recess a bit. The 50's utopia isnt going to return in any way. This wall isnt going to happen, and if they try, it will be an incomplete waste of money. The tax "plan" is going to come up and once people learn that they will not 'save' much in taxes (many middle class expected to increase).... while the wealthy make out like bandits, it will further erode. I dont think anyone should be complacent or count on it... but if a general election were to happen today, against nearly ANY opponent, it would be a landslide. Electoral and popular.OnWis97 said:
And that's a lot of people. After adjusting for the electoral college and what I'm suspecting will be brazen and transparent efforts to disenfranchise the non-white, maybe even the majority. See you in 2024.MayDay10 said:
He touched on a lot of "tropes" that rile people upThirty Bills Unpaid said:
No.curmudgeoness said:tbergs said:New levels of awesomeness.
http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-approval-rating-low-rasmussen-2017-7
I'm struggling to wrap my head around the idea that his approval ratings are that high. He is utterly lacking in redeeming qualities. I wouldn't hire him to mow my lawn, let alone vote for him to be president. Are there that many angry people in this country who just wanted to vote for the embodiment of their rage?
The majority of his base support comes from simple yokels that think chocolate milk comes from brown cows and that he is going to make America great again by building a wall.
Those who think that Obama's presidency was solely to place Obamaphones in the hands of every black person who refuses to work.
Those who think that we can go back to the 50s, where entire communities work at the same factory, go to the same church, can leave doors unlocked, and cool apple pies on every windowsill
Those who hate people, especially politicians who are intellectual and educated.
Those who think we can go back to a time without smartphones, video games, and computers, and 10 year olds will be forced to do manual farm labor
Those who want to beat our chests and threaten to attack any nation or people at any perceived current or possible future slight.
Those elderlies who have been searching for another Eisenhower for 50-60 years and would believe a rock is Eisenhower if he was an Elephant and posed in front of troops rattling a bunch of sabers.
I think the only way Trump can salvage a chance at 2020 is for a war/large scale military action where many people unite behind him, like GWB in 2001. I wouldn't put it past him and Bannon to fabricate a pretext for war (if we arent witnessing it with NK).
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