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All true, Brian, but we are far from the only species that exceeds our carrying capacity. Virtually any species will consume as many resources available and breed as much as possible, but most are limited by competition. Those that aren't tend to have boom and bust cycles. Humans have simply been more successful at avoiding those limits, so far.brianlux said:
HFD, and eddiec, spot on. This is why I do not find it contradictory for me to say that I love several individuals and like a great many but am basically misanthropic. There are millions, perhaps billions of wonderful humans on this planet but as a species we are a blight. I don't say that to be vengeful, nasty or hateful. I say it because, until we prove otherwise, I consider it to be a fact within the constraints of science. In studying the science of ecology (not the popular notion, the science) it is plain to see we are a species at odds with the balances of nature. We despoil and poison our air, water and land base, crap in our own nest, have overreached carrying capacity in our reproduction, over-consume the resources necessary for our survival and alter the climate in ways that, in the not-to-distant future, will be very harmful to our survival. And we do all this with nary a thought as to how all this affects other life as if it is our God given (speaking of God) right to do so.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, there are good humans. a lot of them. but most of the ones who are in positions of power are not those people, and we are allowing them to destroy the planet and each other.Annafalk said:
Thank you for contributing with a little positive thoughts on this. If we humans didn't have some humanity, I don't think we would have come as far as we have with the building of society's and such.RYME said:
Hmmm,. So there are no good humans? And what if I told you that he created this Earth to be inhabited? So whether or not we came along by intelligent design or through Evolution baby you're saying that humans are bad.eddiec said:If there is a God his biggest failure is creating humans.
So everybody here who presumably enjoys the same music, enjoy talking with one another, having friends and family are all God's failures, wow.
"If there is a god" we are all mistakes? While we have our differences I think that we have a lot of good in common.
There are some bad apples throughout humanity, but I think that there are a lot of spectacular, good and beautiful people through out humanity.. I see a lot of beautiful people when I go to a Pearl Jam show for example. People that get involved in humanitarian efforts or attend a charity concert to help those in need.
Firefighters that run into burning buildings trying to save people. There are people that like to seek and destroy all that is good. And then you have people that sacrifice themselves for the good of others. You don't have to do heroic things to be a value to humanity either it could be as simple as holding the door open at a convenience store for an old lady coming behind you with a walker rather than letting the door shut and letting her fumble bumble and a struggle to get herself in on her own. And then as mentioned earlier after the bombing at the Ariana Grande concert you had homeless people pulling Nails out of a young girl's face and trying to help in any way they could to me that's awesome Humanity.
The idea that all humans suck is unbelievable. Some do & some don't.
I don't think the point was that all humans suck. It was that the acts of our species over time have been negative towards the earth and its other inhabitants.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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All true, Brian, but we are far from the only species that exceeds our carrying capacity. Virtually any species will consume as many resources available and breed as much as possible, but most are limited by competition. Those that aren't tend to have boom and bust cycles. Humans have simply been more successful at avoiding those limits, so far.brianlux said:
HFD, and eddiec, spot on. This is why I do not find it contradictory for me to say that I love several individuals and like a great many but am basically misanthropic. There are millions, perhaps billions of wonderful humans on this planet but as a species we are a blight. I don't say that to be vengeful, nasty or hateful. I say it because, until we prove otherwise, I consider it to be a fact within the constraints of science. In studying the science of ecology (not the popular notion, the science) it is plain to see we are a species at odds with the balances of nature. We despoil and poison our air, water and land base, crap in our own nest, have overreached carrying capacity in our reproduction, over-consume the resources necessary for our survival and alter the climate in ways that, in the not-to-distant future, will be very harmful to our survival. And we do all this with nary a thought as to how all this affects other life as if it is our God given (speaking of God) right to do so.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, there are good humans. a lot of them. but most of the ones who are in positions of power are not those people, and we are allowing them to destroy the planet and each other.Annafalk said:
Thank you for contributing with a little positive thoughts on this. If we humans didn't have some humanity, I don't think we would have come as far as we have with the building of society's and such.RYME said:
Hmmm,. So there are no good humans? And what if I told you that he created this Earth to be inhabited? So whether or not we came along by intelligent design or through Evolution baby you're saying that humans are bad.eddiec said:If there is a God his biggest failure is creating humans.
So everybody here who presumably enjoys the same music, enjoy talking with one another, having friends and family are all God's failures, wow.
"If there is a god" we are all mistakes? While we have our differences I think that we have a lot of good in common.
There are some bad apples throughout humanity, but I think that there are a lot of spectacular, good and beautiful people through out humanity.. I see a lot of beautiful people when I go to a Pearl Jam show for example. People that get involved in humanitarian efforts or attend a charity concert to help those in need.
Firefighters that run into burning buildings trying to save people. There are people that like to seek and destroy all that is good. And then you have people that sacrifice themselves for the good of others. You don't have to do heroic things to be a value to humanity either it could be as simple as holding the door open at a convenience store for an old lady coming behind you with a walker rather than letting the door shut and letting her fumble bumble and a struggle to get herself in on her own. And then as mentioned earlier after the bombing at the Ariana Grande concert you had homeless people pulling Nails out of a young girl's face and trying to help in any way they could to me that's awesome Humanity.
The idea that all humans suck is unbelievable. Some do & some don't.
I don't think the point was that all humans suck. It was that the acts of our species over time have been negative towards the earth and its other inhabitants.
I must say this has been quite a read. As a human being reading this I am so lucky to even have been born. There are infinite amounts out there that could have been created but never will be and will never know a thing called life. Bring on the humans! My god some people have a dismal outlook.
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Reality and fact are neither dismal nor joyful. Such an idea is illogical.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:oftenreading said:
All true, Brian, but we are far from the only species that exceeds our carrying capacity. Virtually any species will consume as many resources available and breed as much as possible, but most are limited by competition. Those that aren't tend to have boom and bust cycles. Humans have simply been more successful at avoiding those limits, so far.brianlux said:
HFD, and eddiec, spot on. This is why I do not find it contradictory for me to say that I love several individuals and like a great many but am basically misanthropic. There are millions, perhaps billions of wonderful humans on this planet but as a species we are a blight. I don't say that to be vengeful, nasty or hateful. I say it because, until we prove otherwise, I consider it to be a fact within the constraints of science. In studying the science of ecology (not the popular notion, the science) it is plain to see we are a species at odds with the balances of nature. We despoil and poison our air, water and land base, crap in our own nest, have overreached carrying capacity in our reproduction, over-consume the resources necessary for our survival and alter the climate in ways that, in the not-to-distant future, will be very harmful to our survival. And we do all this with nary a thought as to how all this affects other life as if it is our God given (speaking of God) right to do so.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, there are good humans. a lot of them. but most of the ones who are in positions of power are not those people, and we are allowing them to destroy the planet and each other.Annafalk said:
Thank you for contributing with a little positive thoughts on this. If we humans didn't have some humanity, I don't think we would have come as far as we have with the building of society's and such.RYME said:
Hmmm,. So there are no good humans? And what if I told you that he created this Earth to be inhabited? So whether or not we came along by intelligent design or through Evolution baby you're saying that humans are bad.eddiec said:If there is a God his biggest failure is creating humans.
So everybody here who presumably enjoys the same music, enjoy talking with one another, having friends and family are all God's failures, wow.
"If there is a god" we are all mistakes? While we have our differences I think that we have a lot of good in common.
There are some bad apples throughout humanity, but I think that there are a lot of spectacular, good and beautiful people through out humanity.. I see a lot of beautiful people when I go to a Pearl Jam show for example. People that get involved in humanitarian efforts or attend a charity concert to help those in need.
Firefighters that run into burning buildings trying to save people. There are people that like to seek and destroy all that is good. And then you have people that sacrifice themselves for the good of others. You don't have to do heroic things to be a value to humanity either it could be as simple as holding the door open at a convenience store for an old lady coming behind you with a walker rather than letting the door shut and letting her fumble bumble and a struggle to get herself in on her own. And then as mentioned earlier after the bombing at the Ariana Grande concert you had homeless people pulling Nails out of a young girl's face and trying to help in any way they could to me that's awesome Humanity.
The idea that all humans suck is unbelievable. Some do & some don't.
I don't think the point was that all humans suck. It was that the acts of our species over time have been negative towards the earth and its other inhabitants.
I must say this has been quite a read. As a human being reading this I am so lucky to even have been born. There are infinite amounts out there that could have been created but never will be and will never know a thing called life. Bring on the humans! My god some people have a dismal outlook.
Spock out.
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So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.0
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It makes us realize how precious life is. All life. This life has incredible meaning.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
Why do those who believe in heaven get so sad when people die? Deep down they know.
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Yes I agree, life is precious.Smellyman said:
It makes us realize how precious life is. All life. This life has incredible meaning.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
Why do those who believe in heaven get so sad when people die? Deep down they know.
It's very normal to get sad when someone is not with us anymore.
I always cry like crazy at funerals it's like I can't stop it.
Anyway I think that truly unselfish acts is at least a little "proof" that we are more than highly advanced robots of flesh and blood.
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Isn't a being capable of action that has been created by another being the very definition of a robot, though? Particularly when you add in the religious programming.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
it seems to me that evolution produces more autonomous beings than creationism.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I don't prescribe to religion and I don't believe in God. Not in the anthropomorphic, all mighty, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, creator-of-everything sense anyway. However, I do think there is meaning and purpose in life. To put it simply, I believe that purpose is to enjoy the time you have here and be kind and helpful to others as much as you can. The key to happiness is to enjoy all things - or at least as many things as possible. I'll never quite understand why anything exists at all, but I'm here so I'm going to have fun.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
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Kinda a weird statement...do you get sad when someone you love moves away? Does that mean they no longer exist? Why are you sad then? Cause they aren't with you, same with death.Smellyman said:
It makes us realize how precious life is. All life. This life has incredible meaning.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
Why do those who believe in heaven get so sad when people die? Deep down they know.
I honestly don;t know what I believe. I was raised Catholic but haven't been to church in many, many years. I generally dislike organized religion and I don't really believe in their versions of God. But, for some reason I do think there is something more...just don't know if that is due to my upbringing and all your hear throughout life...or if I just want there to be more...or if I really think there is something more.
And it depends on the situation. If I'm listening to someone talk about their religion like they are obviously correct and I just haven't been enlightened yet, I get more bitter about it and tend to believe less in a God. If I listen to an agnostic talk about how stupid it is to believe in God and there is no proof, I tend to believe in a God more. Perhaps I'm just a contrarian, but really I think I just don;t know and those that claim to 100% know bother me.
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You know exactly how a robot is going to act in different situations. You can never really know with humans can you? I think we are more like blank sheets and that's the interesting part.oftenreading said:
Isn't a being capable of action that has been created by another being the very definition of a robot, though? Particularly when you add in the religious programming.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
it seems to me that evolution produces more autonomous beings than creationism.
Sounds great! I do all of that too, except I think we have a soul and a connection with God. It's like I can't choose to not believe I just do.
I don't prescribe to religion and I don't believe in God. Not in the anthropomorphic, all mighty, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, creator-of-everything sense anyway. However, I do think there is meaning and purpose in life. To put it simply, I believe that purpose is to enjoy the time you have here and be kind and helpful to others as much as you can. The key to happiness is to enjoy all things - or at least as many things as possible. I'll never quite understand why anything exists at all, but I'm here so I'm going to have fun.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.Post edited by Annafalk on0 -
Your privilege is showing.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:oftenreading said:
All true, Brian, but we are far from the only species that exceeds our carrying capacity. Virtually any species will consume as many resources available and breed as much as possible, but most are limited by competition. Those that aren't tend to have boom and bust cycles. Humans have simply been more successful at avoiding those limits, so far.brianlux said:
HFD, and eddiec, spot on. This is why I do not find it contradictory for me to say that I love several individuals and like a great many but am basically misanthropic. There are millions, perhaps billions of wonderful humans on this planet but as a species we are a blight. I don't say that to be vengeful, nasty or hateful. I say it because, until we prove otherwise, I consider it to be a fact within the constraints of science. In studying the science of ecology (not the popular notion, the science) it is plain to see we are a species at odds with the balances of nature. We despoil and poison our air, water and land base, crap in our own nest, have overreached carrying capacity in our reproduction, over-consume the resources necessary for our survival and alter the climate in ways that, in the not-to-distant future, will be very harmful to our survival. And we do all this with nary a thought as to how all this affects other life as if it is our God given (speaking of God) right to do so.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, there are good humans. a lot of them. but most of the ones who are in positions of power are not those people, and we are allowing them to destroy the planet and each other.Annafalk said:
Thank you for contributing with a little positive thoughts on this. If we humans didn't have some humanity, I don't think we would have come as far as we have with the building of society's and such.RYME said:
Hmmm,. So there are no good humans? And what if I told you that he created this Earth to be inhabited? So whether or not we came along by intelligent design or through Evolution baby you're saying that humans are bad.eddiec said:If there is a God his biggest failure is creating humans.
So everybody here who presumably enjoys the same music, enjoy talking with one another, having friends and family are all God's failures, wow.
"If there is a god" we are all mistakes? While we have our differences I think that we have a lot of good in common.
There are some bad apples throughout humanity, but I think that there are a lot of spectacular, good and beautiful people through out humanity.. I see a lot of beautiful people when I go to a Pearl Jam show for example. People that get involved in humanitarian efforts or attend a charity concert to help those in need.
Firefighters that run into burning buildings trying to save people. There are people that like to seek and destroy all that is good. And then you have people that sacrifice themselves for the good of others. You don't have to do heroic things to be a value to humanity either it could be as simple as holding the door open at a convenience store for an old lady coming behind you with a walker rather than letting the door shut and letting her fumble bumble and a struggle to get herself in on her own. And then as mentioned earlier after the bombing at the Ariana Grande concert you had homeless people pulling Nails out of a young girl's face and trying to help in any way they could to me that's awesome Humanity.
The idea that all humans suck is unbelievable. Some do & some don't.
I don't think the point was that all humans suck. It was that the acts of our species over time have been negative towards the earth and its other inhabitants.
I must say this has been quite a read. As a human being reading this I am so lucky to even have been born. There are infinite amounts out there that could have been created but never will be and will never know a thing called life. Bring on the humans! My god some people have a dismal outlook.
It's easy to say those things and have that outlook when you've never known true hunger.
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We can make our lives meaningful. No doubt about that. I choose to not believe in invisible beings and supernatural myths.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
It was said earlier in this thread. There are many religions with many gods. You don't believe in all of the possible gods right? I just choose to believe in one less god than you.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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We can make our lives meaningful. No doubt about that. I choose to not believe in invisible beings and supernatural myths.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
It was said earlier in this thread. There are many religions with many gods. You don't believe in all of the possible gods right? I just choose to believe in one less god than you.0 -
"Reality and fact are neither dismal nor joyful. Such an idea is illogical."
Not sure if that was poking fun or for real. All in good fun for sure. Certainly not true, reality and facts can be joyful. If I get a raise, it's a fact, and it makes me joyful.
So many people live life in a re-active state, constantly reacting to what happened, who called, the weather, the bible, people at your door, etc...everything. If life is all reactive then when does free will come in. I am reactive at times, there are times when it is just unavoidable.
My hubby sees the JW coming to the door, he says draw the shades and don't answer the door. I go to the door and step onto the walk way and greet them , ask them how they are doing, tell them to make it a great day. They want to tell me their thoughts, I'll listen. Maybe one word or facial expression will stick with me and follow me onto another conversation. We all interact and we all make the world go around.
Not sure what happened, when or why but all these labels and judgements have overcome society. People gotta be this or that, why not just be people, humans, we have feelings, shortcomings, assets. Most people just need food, shelter and love.
For anyone that believes their life is miniscual in the scope of the world and time in general, no matter how small we feel our contribution to society is, it is not. Each and everyone of us matter, our lives and how we live them will affect generations to come, this I am convinced. I've seen too many insignificant events happen that had a significant affect later on.
just chiming in.... on the 3rd day of the 50th year of my life.
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Hosea 6:6oftenreading said:
Isn't a being capable of action that has been created by another being the very definition of a robot, though? Particularly when you add in the religious programming.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
it seems to me that evolution produces more autonomous beings than creationism.
For I desire mercy,
(which is Grace - LOVE)
And not sacrifice; and gaining The knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
He created us because He wanted to be loved. But no matter how powerful or all knowing that He is, love cannot be forced. That's why he gave us free will, because without free will, we would be essentially robots. In order for love to be genuine it has to originate from within each entity. Or we would all be like this.
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Not much satisfaction in that.Post edited by RYME on0 -
I was poking a little fun but mostly being sincere. PJFan had said, "My god some people have a dismal outlook", in response to me and a few others talking about the negative impact of humans on our planet. Yes, I would say that impact is dismal but the stating of what is is simply a statement of what we perceive as fact. So what I meant was any statement of a fact is itself just a fact- neither dismal nor joyous. But our reaction to the fact may be one that is very dismal or joyous.amethgr8 said:"Reality and fact are neither dismal nor joyful. Such an idea is illogical."
Not sure if that was poking fun or for real. All in good fun for sure. Certainly not true, reality and facts can be joyful. If I get a raise, it's a fact, and it makes me joyful.
So many people live life in a re-active state, constantly reacting to what happened, who called, the weather, the bible, people at your door, etc...everything. If life is all reactive then when does free will come in. I am reactive at times, there are times when it is just unavoidable.
My hubby sees the JW coming to the door, he says draw the shades and don't answer the door. I go to the door and step onto the walk way and greet them , ask them how they are doing, tell them to make it a great day. They want to tell me their thoughts, I'll listen. Maybe one word or facial expression will stick with me and follow me onto another conversation. We all interact and we all make the world go around.
Not sure what happened, when or why but all these labels and judgements have overcome society. People gotta be this or that, why not just be people, humans, we have feelings, shortcomings, assets. Most people just need food, shelter and love.
For anyone that believes their life is miniscual in the scope of the world and time in general, no matter how small we feel our contribution to society is, it is not. Each and everyone of us matter, our lives and how we live them will affect generations to come, this I am convinced. I've seen too many insignificant events happen that had a significant affect later on.
just chiming in.... on the 3rd day of the 50th year of my life.
Cheers!!
I totally agree that many people are overly re-active. I think all of us are over-reactive at times and instead, it's better as much as possible to think critically and be skeptical of what we hear and to be slower to react. Hopefully we all learn to do this as a part of aging and growing more wise. Me, I've had to work at it.
Yes, labels and judgements- another topic worthy of consideration. Labels, I especially problematic. Judgements- they are best made very judiciously!
Congratulations on entering your 50's. A cousin of mine once told me one's 50 is the best decade of life (if you are in good health anyway) because you have gained much in knowledge and wisdom and still have the energy to use those to good advantage. I'm trying to make my 6th decade work that way too, but it's not as easy.
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I've lived all around the world and miss people, but don't cry. I really wouldn't be sad if I knew they were experiencing eternal bliss in heaven. Maybe I'd cry out of jealousy perhaps.cincybearcat said:
Kinda a weird statement...do you get sad when someone you love moves away? Does that mean they no longer exist? Why are you sad then? Cause they aren't with you, same with death.Smellyman said:
It makes us realize how precious life is. All life. This life has incredible meaning.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
Why do those who believe in heaven get so sad when people die? Deep down they know.
I honestly don;t know what I believe. I was raised Catholic but haven't been to church in many, many years. I generally dislike organized religion and I don't really believe in their versions of God. But, for some reason I do think there is something more...just don't know if that is due to my upbringing and all your hear throughout life...or if I just want there to be more...or if I really think there is something more.
And it depends on the situation. If I'm listening to someone talk about their religion like they are obviously correct and I just haven't been enlightened yet, I get more bitter about it and tend to believe less in a God. If I listen to an agnostic talk about how stupid it is to believe in God and there is no proof, I tend to believe in a God more. Perhaps I'm just a contrarian, but really I think I just don;t know and those that claim to 100% know bother me.
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Do you think you feel this way because of religion's tentacles?Smellyman said:
I've lived all around the world and miss people, but don't cry. I really wouldn't be sad if I knew they were experiencing eternal bliss in heaven. Maybe I'd cry out of jealousy perhaps.cincybearcat said:Smellyman said:
It makes us realize how precious life is. All life. This life has incredible meaning.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
Why do those who believe in heaven get so sad when people die? Deep down they know.
I honestly don;t know what I believe.
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Hey, Smellyman, I know that what I've been saying here probably hasn't gotten much traction and I understand that it's a big jump for people who don't believe.. But you can start on your eternal bliss before you even die, if you put your faith in our eternal Father. It's very liberating to know that your loved ones that have passed on are with the Lord and not out here in a hole in the ground. Your documentation for that would be Ecclesiastes chapter 12. But again it's up to each individual. I am not trying to force it on you. Have a good Sunday.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Do you think you feel this way because of religion's tentacles?Smellyman said:
I've lived all around the world and miss people, but don't cry. I really wouldn't be sad if I knew they were experiencing eternal bliss in heaven. Maybe I'd cry out of jealousy perhaps.cincybearcat said:Smellyman said:
It makes us realize how precious life is. All life. This life has incredible meaning.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
Why do those who believe in heaven get so sad when people die? Deep down they know.
I honestly don;t know what I believe.0 -
Luckily you can't force mythology on meRYME said:
Hey, Smellyman, I know that what I've been saying here probably hasn't gotten much traction and I understand that it's a big jump for people who don't believe.. But you can start on your eternal bliss before you even die, if you put your faith in our eternal Father. It's very liberating to know that your loved ones that have passed on are with the Lord and not out here in a hole in the ground. Your documentation for that would be Ecclesiastes chapter 12. But again it's up to each individual. I am not trying to force it on you. Have a good Sunday.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Do you think you feel this way because of religion's tentacles?Smellyman said:
I've lived all around the world and miss people, but don't cry. I really wouldn't be sad if I knew they were experiencing eternal bliss in heaven. Maybe I'd cry out of jealousy perhaps.cincybearcat said:Smellyman said:
It makes us realize how precious life is. All life. This life has incredible meaning.Annafalk said:So I guess everyone who rely only on facts and logic thinks there are no real meaning with life. That this is all a coincidence that we are here because of different chain reactions happening for no real reason at all. Almost like we would be only very advanced robots with no souls.
Why do those who believe in heaven get so sad when people die? Deep down they know.
I honestly don;t know what I believe.
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