brianlux
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The Bible has some nice passages of wisdom to be sure, but the problem for me that arise are twofold, first that (for me) nagging business "the Father" (where's the Mother?) and second, the denial of natures place of importance in the world. Here's a classic example of what I mean. There is some fine wisdom here that is sabotaged by the idea that some unseen "Father" meets our basic needs and an egregious misunderstanding of how nature works.:
MATTHEW 6:25-24 (ASV)
25 Therefore
I say unto you, Be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat, or
what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not
the life more than the food, and the body than the raiment? 26 Behold
the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor
gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not ye of
much more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit unto the measure of his life? 28 And
why are ye anxious concerning raiment? Consider the lilies of the
field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 yet I say unto you, that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God doth so clothe the grass of the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Be not therefore anxious, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 For after all these things do the Gentiles seek; for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Be not therefore anxious for the morrow: for the morrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Are we of more value than birds (read as all none human life)? No, of course not. Were it not for other life, we would not be alive.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Makes me wonder if the Bible just happened to be in the "right place at the right time" and was escalated as "the one book".
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I was using the term loosely. So many other books, collections of books, they don't get the notoriety of the Bible. Just saying.
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The Bible has some nice passages of wisdom to be sure, but the problem for me that arise are twofold, first that (for me) nagging business "the Father" (where's the Mother?) and second, the denial of natures place of importance in the world. Here's a classic example of what I mean. There is some fine wisdom here that is sabotaged by the idea that some unseen "Father" meets our basic needs and an egregious misunderstanding of how nature works.:
MATTHEW 6:25-24 (ASV)
25 Therefore
I say unto you, Be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat, or
what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not
the life more than the food, and the body than the raiment? 26 Behold
the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor
gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not ye of
much more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit unto the measure of his life? 28 And
why are ye anxious concerning raiment? Consider the lilies of the
field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 yet I say unto you, that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God doth so clothe the grass of the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Be not therefore anxious, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 For after all these things do the Gentiles seek; for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Be not therefore anxious for the morrow: for the morrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Are we of more value than birds (read as all none human life)? No, of course not. Were it not for other life, we would not be alive.
That's not what that passage means. It's not putting nature as second fiddle really. That passage is about worrying. Do not worry about what you will eat or what you will wear. Don't go after material things. It says that the birds of the air do not toil or work hard, but God provides for them. The Lilies are dressed in the field, and are beautiful, but Solomon, with all his wisdom and riches, was never clothed as beautiful as the those flowers. The flowers and the animals simple do their job and don't worry about other things. If you seek first the kingdom of God, all of those things will be taken care of like he has taken care of the animals and the rest of nature. That whole chapter is basically about living a simple life and not worrying about how much money you have, or self proclaiming how good you are and how many people you help.
The Bible has some nice passages of wisdom to be sure, but the problem for me that arise are twofold, first that (for me) nagging business "the Father" (where's the Mother?) and second, the denial of natures place of importance in the world. Here's a classic example of what I mean. There is some fine wisdom here that is sabotaged by the idea that some unseen "Father" meets our basic needs and an egregious misunderstanding of how nature works.:
MATTHEW 6:25-24 (ASV)
25 Therefore
I say unto you, Be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat, or
what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not
the life more than the food, and the body than the raiment? 26 Behold
the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor
gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not ye of
much more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit unto the measure of his life? 28 And
why are ye anxious concerning raiment? Consider the lilies of the
field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 yet I say unto you, that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God doth so clothe the grass of the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Be not therefore anxious, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 For after all these things do the Gentiles seek; for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Be not therefore anxious for the morrow: for the morrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Are we of more value than birds (read as all none human life)? No, of course not. Were it not for other life, we would not be alive.
That's not what that passage means. It's not putting nature as second fiddle really. That passage is about worrying. Do not worry about what you will eat or what you will wear. Don't go after material things. It says that the birds of the air do not toil or work hard, but God provides for them. The Lilies are dressed in the field, and are beautiful, but Solomon, with all his wisdom and riches, was never clothed as beautiful as the those flowers. The flowers and the animals simple do their job and don't worry about other things. If you seek first the kingdom of God, all of those things will be taken care of like he has taken care of the animals and the rest of nature. That whole chapter is basically about living a simple life and not worrying about how much money you have, or self proclaiming how good you are and how many people you help.
"Are not ye of
much more value than they?"
I say, no.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Well I don't know what the Code is. The Golden Rule originated in Matthew 7:12. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you: do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Love they neighbor, is mentioned several times. Matthew 22 22:37 Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord the God with all the heart and soul, and with all the mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Also again Mark Chapter 12. Read it for yourself.
Well I don't know what the Code is. The Golden Rule originated in Matthew 7:12. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you: do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Love they neighbor, is mentioned several times. Matthew 22 22:37 Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord the God with all the heart and soul, and with all the mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Also again Mark Chapter 12. Read it for yourself.
The golden rule is articulated in Matthew, yes, but certainly didn't originate in Matthew. In fact, virtually all religions include a version of what we call the golden rule. It was codified in many ancient societies much predating the bible. The bible does not have dibs on compassion.
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Well I don't know what the Code is. The Golden Rule originated in Matthew 7:12. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you: do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Love they neighbor, is mentioned several times. Matthew 22 22:37 Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord the God with all the heart and soul, and with all the mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Also again Mark Chapter 12. Read it for yourself.
The golden rule is articulated in Matthew, yes, but certainly didn't originate in Matthew. In fact, virtually all religions include a version of what we call the golden rule. It was codified in many ancient societies much predating the bible. The bible does not have dibs on compassion.
I know that the way I stated it makes me look idiotic my bad. I read the word code and it didn't compute in my head till I thought more about the code of Hammurabi. I see what he was saying now. And the argument that Moses stole his writings from that has been an argument for a long long time. I hadn't read about it in a long long time so I found an article that might be interesting. Then like I said I am no expert.
I guess to put in context what god is as a non-believer through a believers eyes would be like trying to explain that President Trump is real and that many people believe in him. Yet so many don't and can't get that fact through some heads.
I guess to put in context what god is as a non-believer through a believers eyes would be like trying to explain that President Trump is real and that many people believe in him. Yet so many don't and can't get that fact through some heads.
Aw come on now, you were a real person in this thread for a while, now you're back under the bridge. What a shame.
I guess to put in context what god is as a non-believer through a believers eyes would be like trying to explain that President Trump is real and that many people believe in him. Yet so many don't and can't get that fact through some heads.
"God as a non-believer". Now there is a conundrum!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
This now reminds me of a dog chasing it's tail. Oh well. I enjoy reading the different view points, that articulate somethings even if I don't agree. And I like learning about things that I don't know much about like "The Code" Keep up the good work.
I guess to put in context what god is as a non-believer through a believers eyes would be like trying to explain that President Trump is real and that many people believe in him. Yet so many don't and can't get that fact through some heads.
Geezuz man.
Really? Why? Why be like this?
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This now reminds me of a dog chasing it's tail. Oh well. I enjoy reading the different view points, that articulate somethings even if I don't agree. And I like learning about things that I don't know much about like "The Code" Keep up the good work.
That's when the Train is at it's best!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I guess to put in context what god is as a non-believer through a believers eyes would be like trying to explain that President Trump is real and that many people believe in him. Yet so many don't and can't get that fact through some heads.
Geezuz man.
Really? Why? Why be like this?
I was hoping to not see Donald Trump's name in this thread but there was. Oh well. I'm going to try to compose an interesting post in a little while. Stay classy.
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brianlux
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"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I don't know if I'm classy or not, but I am definitely Always Thirsty! . I think it's ok to pause from the heavy lifting of this topic if it needs time to regroup. Voices like these certainly don't do anything but boost my own faith. It's the weekend.
I don't know if I'm classy or not, but I am definitely Always Thirsty! . I think it's ok to pause from the heavy lifting of this topic if it needs time to regroup.
Our local churches seem to be competing for a "worst sign quote" award. The latest isn't stupid, but it's a nasty message. "If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans." Sure, that's a great message... "What's that little Timmy? You want to be a fireman? Hah! God's laughing at you because he's going to wreck your plans!"
Some recent hall of famers: "Love doesn't rub it in, it rubs it out" "Cross-eyed people have the best vision." "The best gift for Mother's Day is time spent on your knees." That last one came down quick.
Our local churches seem to be competing for a "worst sign quote" award. The latest isn't stupid, but it's a nasty message. "If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans." Sure, that's a great message... "What's that little Timmy? You want to be a fireman? Hah! God's laughing at you because he's going to wreck your plans!"
Some recent hall of famers: "Love doesn't rub it in, it rubs it out" "Cross-eyed people have the best vision." "The best gift for Mother's Day is time spent on your knees." That last one came down quick.
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MATTHEW 6:25-24 (ASV)
25 Therefore I say unto you, Be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than the food, and the body than the raiment? 26 Behold the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not ye of much more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit unto the measure of his life? 28 And why are ye anxious concerning raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 yet I say unto you, that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God doth so clothe the grass of the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Be not therefore anxious, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 For after all these things do the Gentiles seek; for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Be not therefore anxious for the morrow: for the morrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Are we of more value than birds (read as all none human life)? No, of course not. Were it not for other life, we would not be alive.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
New Orleans LA 7/4/95 reschedule 9/17/95
Chicago IL 1998, 10/9/00, 06/18/03, 05/16/06, 05/17/06
08/23/09, 08/24/09, Lolla 08/05/07
Champaign IL 4/23/03
Grand Rapids MI VFC 10/03/04
Grand Rapids MI 19May06
Noblesville IN 05/07/10 Cleveland OH 05/09/10
PJ 20 2011
Baltimore MD, Charlottesville VA, Seattle WA 2013
St. Louis MO, Milwaukee WI 2014
Tampa FL, Chicago IL, Lexington KY 2016
Missoula MT 2018
New Orleans LA 7/4/95 reschedule 9/17/95
Chicago IL 1998, 10/9/00, 06/18/03, 05/16/06, 05/17/06
08/23/09, 08/24/09, Lolla 08/05/07
Champaign IL 4/23/03
Grand Rapids MI VFC 10/03/04
Grand Rapids MI 19May06
Noblesville IN 05/07/10 Cleveland OH 05/09/10
PJ 20 2011
Baltimore MD, Charlottesville VA, Seattle WA 2013
St. Louis MO, Milwaukee WI 2014
Tampa FL, Chicago IL, Lexington KY 2016
Missoula MT 2018
I say, no.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
The Golden Rule originated in Matthew 7:12. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you: do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Love they neighbor, is mentioned several times.
Matthew 22
22:37 Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord the God with all the heart and soul, and with all the mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Also again Mark Chapter 12. Read it for yourself.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12:28-31&version=KJV
I read the word code and it didn't compute in my head till I thought more about the code of Hammurabi. I see what he was saying now. And the argument that Moses stole his writings from that has been an argument for a long long time. I hadn't read about it in a long long time so I found an article that might be interesting. Then like I said I am no expert.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Moses-Hammurabi-code.html
What a shame.
This thread is a trap. There is no way to explain what god is unless you are a believer.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Keep up the good work.
Really? Why? Why be like this?
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Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
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And cheers Shyner!
That's Alright. I think this is a good time for this tune by Stevie Nicks!
I love you all
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Piece , peace of God is what i thought initially
I'm confused
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The latest isn't stupid, but it's a nasty message.
"If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans."
Sure, that's a great message... "What's that little Timmy? You want to be a fireman? Hah! God's laughing at you because he's going to wreck your plans!"
Some recent hall of famers:
"Love doesn't rub it in, it rubs it out"
"Cross-eyed people have the best vision."
"The best gift for Mother's Day is time spent on your knees."
That last one came down quick.