Do Aliens Exist?

23scidoo · May 2017

Yes, and they have visited Earth

my2hands said:

Don't forget the former Canadian Minister of Defense, Paul Hellyer, that's states matter of factly that aliens exist, have visited earth, are here currently, and that it is actively being covered up by governments

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3051151/Governments-HIDING-aliens-claims-former-defence-minister-Paul-Hellyer-urges-world-leaders-reveal-secret-files.html

Yeah..i have post for him in the past..no one response..Minister of Defense, nice title..

rgambs · May 2017

Yes

PJ_Soul said:

Just came upon this story - I'd never heard about it before, but it is supposedly a famous one. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/falcon-lake-incident-book-anniversary-1.4121639

FWIW, my sister, brother in law, and some of their friends were out on a boat in a lake near Winnipeg maybe 5 years ago, and they very uncharacteristically said they all saw a UFO. My sister and especially my bro-in-law who is almost painfully logical and level-headed, are not people to believe in such a thing or humour a fantasy, but they definitely couldn't explain what they saw and it wasn't the kind of sighting that could have been swamp gas or whateverthefuck. They were all totally stunned and freaked out, apparently.

My problem is that I've NEVER heard an alien or ghost story that was realistically open for explanation.
It's always a circumstance where it couldn't possibly have been anything else. All possible openings for explanation are stripped away before the story is told and it always seems disingenuous to me. The person viewing is always a former non-believer, the location and situation always preclude a natural explanation...it bothers me.
My in laws, for instance, have a story about their suburban house being haunted. First, they didn't believe in ghosts (yeah right), then they tell how they had an empty bedroom room with boxes that stacked themselves against the door. There's no window in the room, the door was locked, and there was a draft guard at the bottom. The boxes were stacked in a pyramid and they couldn't see into the room. Funny, I've never been in a bedroom of a nice house that didn't have a window, and something like 90% of interior doors open into a room, not into a hallway. If they had just told the story as it truly happened (if it did at all) I wouldn't think them pathetic fools, but the embellishments harden my resolve against them.

Just once I'd like to hear someone say "I don't know, it could have been something else, but it sure seemed like a ghost/alien."

In Tucson I saw what looked like a black plastic or metal sphere moving in the sky above our apartment building. It was brief and I had no context to determine it's size, distance, or speed. Don't know what it was of if I was even seeing correctly.
If I was an average UFO believer, I would surely have precisely determined it's size and speed to be impossible for human activity in that 2 second sighting. Guaranteed.

mace1229 · May 2017

Yes

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe they have learned how to use worm holes to travel or something. We really can't assume anything about some distance alien life form and what kind of science they are dealing with. It's entirely possible that what's normal to them in completely inconceivable to us. Or that they have billions of years on us, and understand the physics of space in a way we can't even imagine. Humans are forced to apply human knowledge and theories to alien life, but I don't know if that is reasonable in the slightest. We might be extremely primitive lifeforms compared to other lifeforms in the universe, considering how young the Earth is in universe terms.

absolutely, 100%.

one aspect of aliens as humans see them that has always been funny to me, is the assumption by humans that they look like us. two legs, two arms, head, just smaller bodies and bigger eyes, etc. it is totally conceivable to me that we can't even fucking see them, our eyes can't understand that we are looking at something that is right there. there are many things we know that we can't see with the naked human eye, it's entirely plausible that other living things are one of those things.

I could understand the possibility that alien life forms exist in non-carbon based forms, making what we think uninhabitable planet thriving for another. Unlikely, but definitely possible.
I can't fathom the possibility that our senses would be unable to detect their presence however. Sure, there are thing right in front of us that we can't see, like sound and energy. But none of those things are matter. Would you agree that all life forms must consist of matter?
SO that leaves with something still relatively unknown, like dark matter as one possibility. Some form of matter that does not emit electromagnetic energy, and therefore we cannot see.
I can't imagine the possibility of other life forms living among us under some other form of undetectable matter. But I'll chalk that up to lack of human understanding of the physical world. The likelihood of that happening, and both of our worlds completely uneffected by eachother as a result seems to be impossible.
But I guess all of that can go beyond human understanding of what the physical world is.

PJ_Soul · May 2017

Yes, and they have visited Earth

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Just came upon this story - I'd never heard about it before, but it is supposedly a famous one. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/falcon-lake-incident-book-anniversary-1.4121639

FWIW, my sister, brother in law, and some of their friends were out on a boat in a lake near Winnipeg maybe 5 years ago, and they very uncharacteristically said they all saw a UFO. My sister and especially my bro-in-law who is almost painfully logical and level-headed, are not people to believe in such a thing or humour a fantasy, but they definitely couldn't explain what they saw and it wasn't the kind of sighting that could have been swamp gas or whateverthefuck. They were all totally stunned and freaked out, apparently.

My problem is that I've NEVER heard an alien or ghost story that was realistically open for explanation.
It's always a circumstance where it couldn't possibly have been anything else. All possible openings for explanation are stripped away before the story is told and it always seems disingenuous to me. The person viewing is always a former non-believer, the location and situation always preclude a natural explanation...it bothers me.
My in laws, for instance, have a story about their suburban house being haunted. First, they didn't believe in ghosts (yeah right), then they tell how they had an empty bedroom room with boxes that stacked themselves against the door. There's no window in the room, the door was locked, and there was a draft guard at the bottom. The boxes were stacked in a pyramid and they couldn't see into the room. Funny, I've never been in a bedroom of a nice house that didn't have a window, and something like 90% of interior doors open into a room, not into a hallway. If they had just told the story as it truly happened (if it did at all) I wouldn't think them pathetic fools, but the embellishments harden my resolve against them.

Just once I'd like to hear someone say "I don't know, it could have been something else, but it sure seemed like a ghost/alien."

In Tucson I saw what looked like a black plastic or metal sphere moving in the sky above our apartment building. It was brief and I had no context to determine it's size, distance, or speed. Don't know what it was of if I was even seeing correctly.
If I was an average UFO believer, I would surely have precisely determined it's size and speed to be impossible for human activity in that 2 second sighting. Guaranteed.

I dunno. I've heard tons of people say "I don't know, it could have been something else." I think the majority say that, actually. Obviously, though, that doesn't usually make the news. As with most news or just crap on the internet, we see the exception, not the rule.

Attaway77 · May 2017

No... Aliens don't exist.

HughFreakingDillon · May 2017

Yes

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Maybe they have learned how to use worm holes to travel or something. We really can't assume anything about some distance alien life form and what kind of science they are dealing with. It's entirely possible that what's normal to them in completely inconceivable to us. Or that they have billions of years on us, and understand the physics of space in a way we can't even imagine. Humans are forced to apply human knowledge and theories to alien life, but I don't know if that is reasonable in the slightest. We might be extremely primitive lifeforms compared to other lifeforms in the universe, considering how young the Earth is in universe terms.

absolutely, 100%.

one aspect of aliens as humans see them that has always been funny to me, is the assumption by humans that they look like us. two legs, two arms, head, just smaller bodies and bigger eyes, etc. it is totally conceivable to me that we can't even fucking see them, our eyes can't understand that we are looking at something that is right there. there are many things we know that we can't see with the naked human eye, it's entirely plausible that other living things are one of those things.

I could understand the possibility that alien life forms exist in non-carbon based forms, making what we think uninhabitable planet thriving for another. Unlikely, but definitely possible.
I can't fathom the possibility that our senses would be unable to detect their presence however. Sure, there are thing right in front of us that we can't see, like sound and energy. But none of those things are matter. Would you agree that all life forms must consist of matter?
SO that leaves with something still relatively unknown, like dark matter as one possibility. Some form of matter that does not emit electromagnetic energy, and therefore we cannot see.
I can't imagine the possibility of other life forms living among us under some other form of undetectable matter. But I'll chalk that up to lack of human understanding of the physical world. The likelihood of that happening, and both of our worlds completely uneffected by eachother as a result seems to be impossible.
But I guess all of that can go beyond human understanding of what the physical world is.

i agree that everything we currently know points to all life consisting of matter, yes.

but that leaves a pretty big hole.

23scidoo · May 2017

Yes, and they have visited Earth

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-mysterious-phenomena/did-ancient-aliens-impart-advanced-astronomical-knowledge-dogon-tribe-021403
http://www.ancient-code.com/the-mystery-handbag-of-the-gods-depicted-in-sumer-america-and-gobekli-tepe

23scidoo · May 2017

Yes, and they have visited Earth

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4554970/Robert-Bigelow-absolutely-convinced-aliens-Earth.html

HesCalledDyer · May 2017

Yes

Anyone watch the documentary "Unacknowledged" by Dr. Stephen Greer?

What's that old saying? "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist."

my2hands · June 2017

Yes, and they have visited Earth

HesCalledDyer said:

Anyone watch the documentary "Unacknowledged" by Dr. Stephen Greer?

What's that old saying? "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist."

Where do I find it brother? I checked YouTube but a ton of stuff popped up and I can't tell if any of them are the legit documentary? Thanks!

HesCalledDyer · June 2017

Yes

my2hands said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Anyone watch the documentary "Unacknowledged" by Dr. Stephen Greer?

What's that old saying? "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist."

Where do I find it brother? I checked YouTube but a ton of stuff popped up and I can't tell if any of them are the legit documentary? Thanks!

I rented it on iTunes but it's also on Amazon.

23scidoo · June 2017

Yes, and they have visited Earth

HesCalledDyer said:

my2hands said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Anyone watch the documentary "Unacknowledged" by Dr. Stephen Greer?

What's that old saying? "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist."

Where do I find it brother? I checked YouTube but a ton of stuff popped up and I can't tell if any of them are the legit documentary? Thanks!

I rented it on iTunes but it's also on Amazon.

I haven't see that, but i read something about Merilyn..can you help??