Do Aliens Exist?

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

vaggar99 said:

i'd like to see one credible piece of evidence. i've watched tv shows like Unsolved Mysteries as a child that really made events like Roswell seem like a historically accurate alien encounter. Now honestly, i feel a bit burned by all the fake/sensational dramatizations of alien encounters. show me the evidence.

What you mean by said ''evidence''?.ufos landing on Central Park and CNN breaking news??..

vaggar99

Yes

23scidoo said:

vaggar99 said:

i'd like to see one credible piece of evidence. i've watched tv shows like Unsolved Mysteries as a child that really made events like Roswell seem like a historically accurate alien encounter. Now honestly, i feel a bit burned by all the fake/sensational dramatizations of alien encounters. show me the evidence.

What you mean by said ''evidence''?.ufos landing on Central Park and CNN breaking news??..

physical proof. something tangible and indisputable by the science community.

mace1229

Yes

They estimate upwards of 200 billion galaxies, each averaging 200 billion stars. That's 40 trillion stars out there.
I recently read in one of the NASA related articles that there is an average of 1 planet per star (some with several, some with none), and that 11% of planets are in the habitual zone, meaning liquid water can exist. That means 11% of 40 trillion can support water, that leaves us with over 4 trillion planets that exits in a zone where water is possible.
I haven't found anything further reading recent articles, but if only 1 in a billion of those planets does actually have water, that's still thousands of planets out there with a real possibility to support life.
Now do I think they are green aliens with super lasers? no. But some form of life almost has to exist given the odds, even if it is just bacteria.

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

mace1229 said:

They estimate upwards of 200 billion galaxies, each averaging 200 billion stars. That's 40 trillion stars out there.
I recently read in one of the NASA related articles that there is an average of 1 planet per star (some with several, some with none), and that 11% of planets are in the habitual zone, meaning liquid water can exist. That means 11% of 40 trillion can support water, that leaves us with over 4 trillion planets that exits in a zone where water is possible.
I haven't found anything further reading recent articles, but if only 1 in a billion of those planets does actually have water, that's still thousands of planets out there with a real possibility to support life.
Now do I think they are green aliens with super lasers? no. But some form of life almost has to exist given the odds, even if it is just bacteria.

Common sense..and what NASA said yesterday??

HughFreakingDillon

Yes

mace1229 said:

They estimate upwards of 200 billion galaxies, each averaging 200 billion stars. That's 40 trillion stars out there.
I recently read in one of the NASA related articles that there is an average of 1 planet per star (some with several, some with none), and that 11% of planets are in the habitual zone, meaning liquid water can exist. That means 11% of 40 trillion can support water, that leaves us with over 4 trillion planets that exits in a zone where water is possible.
I haven't found anything further reading recent articles, but if only 1 in a billion of those planets does actually have water, that's still thousands of planets out there with a real possibility to support life.
Now do I think they are green aliens with super lasers? no. But some form of life almost has to exist given the odds, even if it is just bacteria.

and that's just the zones that support life as we know it. I'm sure there are/were/will be life that can sustain itself without water/oxygen.

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/embed/video/1239432.html

PJ_Soul

Yes, and they have visited Earth

vaggar99 said:

23scidoo said:

vaggar99 said:

i'd like to see one credible piece of evidence. i've watched tv shows like Unsolved Mysteries as a child that really made events like Roswell seem like a historically accurate alien encounter. Now honestly, i feel a bit burned by all the fake/sensational dramatizations of alien encounters. show me the evidence.

What you mean by said ''evidence''?.ufos landing on Central Park and CNN breaking news??..

physical proof. something tangible and indisputable by the science community.

That would be tough if the government is hiding it (which is the common assumption among people who think there is proof). Someone in the scientific community who leaked such proof may very well "disappear", lol.

mace1229

Yes

One reason I believe they never visited is just the physics behind it. Most stars within our galaxy are hundreds if not thousands of light years away. So even if they hopped into the Millennium Falcum it would take lifetimes to travel here.
So I would have to believe they have either created a way to travel faster than what is even to believe to be possible making the speed of light seem slow (realizing our fastest speed record is just a very tiny fraction of the speed of light) or their lifespan is so long that they don't mind spending thousands of years in travel (assuming they are still going at light speed)
And they have managed to do all that, visit and leave no trace, our let our CIA outsmart them in a coverup.

Or....they just never visited. Which seems more plausible?

my2hands

Yes, and they have visited Earth

The vastness of the universe is absolutely awe inspiring and impossible to even fathom


And at the end of the universe... what is there? If it even ends, can we actually conceptualize an infinite universe with no boundary?

Wow

rgambs

Yes

my2hands said:

The vastness of the universe is absolutely awe inspiring and impossible to even fathom


And at the end of the universe... what is there? If it even ends, can we actually conceptualize an infinite universe with no boundary?

Wow

It might not have an end, it might be like the inside of a spherical membrane.

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

mace1229 said:

One reason I believe they never visited is just the physics behind it. Most stars within our galaxy are hundreds if not thousands of light years away. So even if they hopped into the Millennium Falcum it would take lifetimes to travel here.
So I would have to believe they have either created a way to travel faster than what is even to believe to be possible making the speed of light seem slow (realizing our fastest speed record is just a very tiny fraction of the speed of light) or their lifespan is so long that they don't mind spending thousands of years in travel (assuming they are still going at light speed)
And they have managed to do all that, visit and leave no trace, our let our CIA outsmart them in a coverup.

Or....they just never visited. Which seems more plausible?

We try for space travels for 50-60 years???..what if THEY try for millins years??..

rgambs

Yes

23scidoo said:

mace1229 said:

One reason I believe they never visited is just the physics behind it. Most stars within our galaxy are hundreds if not thousands of light years away. So even if they hopped into the Millennium Falcum it would take lifetimes to travel here.
So I would have to believe they have either created a way to travel faster than what is even to believe to be possible making the speed of light seem slow (realizing our fastest speed record is just a very tiny fraction of the speed of light) or their lifespan is so long that they don't mind spending thousands of years in travel (assuming they are still going at light speed)
And they have managed to do all that, visit and leave no trace, our let our CIA outsmart them in a coverup.

Or....they just never visited. Which seems more plausible?

We try for space travels for 50-60 years???..what if THEY try for millins years??..

We can't detect any signals from them or detect them...Until they enter our atmosphere and then they are just hovering around in brightly lit Skybuses? Doesn't make sense.

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

The same old story..

mace1229

Yes

23scidoo said:

mace1229 said:

One reason I believe they never visited is just the physics behind it. Most stars within our galaxy are hundreds if not thousands of light years away. So even if they hopped into the Millennium Falcum it would take lifetimes to travel here.
So I would have to believe they have either created a way to travel faster than what is even to believe to be possible making the speed of light seem slow (realizing our fastest speed record is just a very tiny fraction of the speed of light) or their lifespan is so long that they don't mind spending thousands of years in travel (assuming they are still going at light speed)
And they have managed to do all that, visit and leave no trace, our let our CIA outsmart them in a coverup.

Or....they just never visited. Which seems more plausible?

We try for space travels for 50-60 years???..what if THEY try for millins years??..

Even if they have tried for millions, doesn't change the fact that they'd have to travel at a speed that lakes light travel appear slow to even make it possible. And since light is accepted as the fastest physically possible speed for matter, just doesn't seem possible or likely.

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

^^We need to tavel with the speed of light..maybe they don't..there are alt ways to travel, like wormholes or antigravity..

mace1229

Yes

Definitely possible there could be other ways to travel, or faster ways than we can't even conceive. So given the off chance of super-light speed or wormholes, even if those obstacles are overcome, I still believe the odds are small that even if there is other intelligent life and they can travel across galaxies that they would even find us among the billions of stars out there.

rgambs

Yes

23scidoo said:

^^We need to tavel with the speed of light..maybe they don't..there are alt ways to travel, like wormholes or antigravity..

All of which would be highly detectable.

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fast-radio-bursts-frbs-aliens-exist-probes-harvard-avi-loeb-message-a7622056.html

23scidoo

Yes, and they have visited Earth

Another non proof..

http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ufo-government10.htm

PJ_Soul

Yes, and they have visited Earth

my2hands said:

The vastness of the universe is absolutely awe inspiring and impossible to even fathom


And at the end of the universe... what is there? If it even ends, can we actually conceptualize an infinite universe with no boundary?

Wow

Yeah, people tend to have trouble with the concept of infinity. Something with no start and no end.... hard to conceive for sure, but definitely not impossible. I personally love the idea of an infinite space, even though it's kind of scary.