Off the deep end... (U.S. pulls out of Paris Agreement)

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  • unsung
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    Constitution 101.

    Art 1 Sec VIII.

    Funny how the left suddenly cares about it.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117

    Unsung:


    do you believe Climate Change is real and actually occurring?

    if so, do you believe human behavior is causing/accelerating it?


    honest question

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    my2hands said:

    Unsung:


    do you believe Climate Change is real and actually occurring?

    if so, do you believe human behavior is causing/accelerating it?


    honest question

    Before I can answer I need to know why "global warming" turned into "climate change".
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited June 2017
    unsung said:
    my2hands said:

    Unsung:


    do you believe Climate Change is real and actually occurring?

    if so, do you believe human behavior is causing/accelerating it?


    honest question

    Before I can answer I need to know why "global warming" turned into "climate change".
    Because "global warming" was a misleading term, especially to those who didn't understand its ramifications. Yes, the planet as a whole is warming. However, the results of that are not just places getting warmer. Global warming results in what is better described as climate change, because the warming can actually cause many changes in climate that don't involve or don't just involve warmer climates. It involves stronger storms, sometimes more rain or snow in various places, etc. Climate change is simply a better phrase to indicate what people are actually experiencing. I.e. "global warming" can actually result in more freak snow storms in Texas, more rain/flooding in other places, stronger hurricanes in other places, or whatever. Basically, they changed it from global warming to climate change for the benefit of all the dumbos who say "global warming my ass!!" every time it snows, lol. Clearly, they underestimated the stupidity of these people.

    Can I ask why you seem suspicious of the evolution of the term being used?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:
    Constitution 101.

    Art 1 Sec VIII.

    Funny how the left suddenly cares about it.
    I could care less about it because you're reaching. US states do business with foreign multinationals all the time. Often times after representatives of a foreign government visit the state thats trying to woo foreign business to hire their citizens. It's called a global economy for a reason. Now, about that "well regulated militia." Funny how the alt-right suddenly cares.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    unsung said:
    my2hands said:

    Unsung:


    do you believe Climate Change is real and actually occurring?

    if so, do you believe human behavior is causing/accelerating it?


    honest question

    Before I can answer I need to know why "global warming" turned into "climate change".
    you know the answer. stop deflecting. 
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I don't subscribe to the climate change cult.

    The climate has changed for the entire existence of the planet.   Are there things we can do to make the world better?  Sure.  But I shouldn't be forced to buy a certain lightbulb when it is scorched earth in China to mine the materials.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,646
    unsung said:
    I don't subscribe to the climate change cult.

    The climate has changed for the entire existence of the planet.   Are there things we can do to make the world better?  Sure.  But I shouldn't be forced to buy a certain lightbulb when it is scorched earth in China to mine the materials.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited June 2017
    unsung said:
    I don't subscribe to the climate change cult.

    The climate has changed for the entire existence of the planet.   Are there things we can do to make the world better?  Sure.  But I shouldn't be forced to buy a certain lightbulb when it is scorched earth in China to mine the materials.
    The US is the second biggest polluter on the face of the planet after China... also, the energy efficient products like ligthtbulbs are for conserving electricity because there is only so much electricity to go around, and yeah, to reduce coal generated electricity, but also to conserve hydro-electricity, etc so that supply meets demand. Not to mention keeping more lightbulbs out of landfills. That is more about a lack of resources and waste management than it is preventing climate change.
    Is there a reason you want old fashioned, inefficient lightbulbs that don't last??
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  • my2hands
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    Climate change cult = 98% of scientists and pretty much all of planet earth that isn't a far right wing American conservative sucking up fox news propaganda the past 20 years

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    my2hands said:
    Climate change cult = 98% of scientists and pretty much all of planet earth that isn't a far right wing American conservative sucking up fox news propaganda the past 20 years

    Yep.... Pretty much looks like the deniers are the cult, not everybody else, lol.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    unsung said:
    I don't subscribe to the climate change cult.

    The climate has changed for the entire existence of the planet.   Are there things we can do to make the world better?  Sure.  But I shouldn't be forced to buy a certain lightbulb when it is scorched earth in China to mine the materials.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:
    I don't subscribe to the climate change cult.

    The climate has changed for the entire existence of the planet.   Are there things we can do to make the world better?  Sure.  But I shouldn't be forced to buy a certain lightbulb when it is scorched earth in China to mine the materials.

    Yeah, it's always someone else's problem to fix.
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  • brianlux
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    my2hands said:
    Climate change cult = 98% of scientists and pretty much all of planet earth that isn't a far right wing American conservative sucking up fox news propaganda the past 20 years

    Exactly, and thanks for pointing this out my2hands! 

    Some people actually believe that most of these scientists are purely in it for the money.  Sure, the ones hired by Shell and Exxon are, of course!  But typical scientists have minds that work in ways that are not at all primarily motivated by money.  In fact, most are very much focused on and often even obsessed by the drive to find out how things tick.  So when 98 percent of these people are say, "Hey world, your screwing it up and we can prevent this", we might want to listen!
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  • unsung
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    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    Climate change cult = 98% of scientists and pretty much all of planet earth that isn't a far right wing American conservative sucking up fox news propaganda the past 20 years

    Exactly, and thanks for pointing this out my2hands! 

    Some people actually believe that most of these scientists are purely in it for the money.  Sure, the ones hired by Shell and Exxon are, of course!  But typical scientists have minds that work in ways that are not at all primarily motivated by money.  In fact, most are very much focused on and often even obsessed by the drive to find out how things tick.  So when 98 percent of these people are say, "Hey world, your screwing it up and we can prevent this", we might want to listen!

    Like Al Gore?
  • unsung
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    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    I don't subscribe to the climate change cult.

    The climate has changed for the entire existence of the planet.   Are there things we can do to make the world better?  Sure.  But I shouldn't be forced to buy a certain lightbulb when it is scorched earth in China to mine the materials.

    Yeah, it's always someone else's problem to fix.
    Start caring about the federal reserve and I'll start caring about some supposed climate change.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    I don't subscribe to the climate change cult.

    The climate has changed for the entire existence of the planet.   Are there things we can do to make the world better?  Sure.  But I shouldn't be forced to buy a certain lightbulb when it is scorched earth in China to mine the materials.

    Yeah, it's always someone else's problem to fix.
    Start caring about the federal reserve and I'll start caring about some supposed climate change.
    No, I care not one whit for your federal reserve. I do care about actions taken that negatively affect the world far outside your borders.  
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Central banking affects everyone.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    So does climate change... and taking care of the planet generally speaking
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    unsung said:
    Central banking affects everyone.
    banking means zilch if we're all under water. 
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