Please rise and remove your caps

PJ_Soul said:

I meant that their thought process make logical sense. But really, do you seriously expect everyone to know the origin of every single cultural behaviour we have? It seems bit unfair to call out ignorance on that one. It kind of ignores the basic tenets of culture and human nature IMO. I understand your argument theoretically, but I don't think it stands up to plain old reality. Your expectations are wildly unrealistic here.

FWIW, I did know there was some historical explanation behind the act (just because I know almost every social norm has something like that behind it), and I definitely still do think those who don't remove their hats during the National Anthem are rude. They understand the meaning it conveys as well as the rest of us do, and I do think it is a willful act of disrespect and social propriety... which I even find interesting myself, because in many ways I do not follow social norms at all. But when it comes to basic manners (and I think this issue is in that category), I'm actually still a bit of a stickler. I only start deviating when it actually has a real impact on people's lives.

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

That's the real point here, is that people are too quick to judge, and most of the time don't even have a clue why. nor does it really affect them. so they need to just calm the fuck down and let people live their lives. 

agreed

pjhawks said:

my2hands said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

That's the real point here, is that people are too quick to judge, and most of the time don't even have a clue why. nor does it really affect them. so they need to just calm the fuck down and let people live their lives. 

agreed

but then you are judging us for judging them making you quick to judge which makes you judges like us judges.

ps: take your hat off :rock_on:

CM189191 said:

Here's a fun story.  I went to watch my niece-in-law play in her volleyball tournament.  The coach kept yelling at the team "Take off your hats!".  Of course I was confused bc volleyball players obviously don't wear hats.  It was coach's polite way of telling the team to get their heads out of their asses.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I've posted this incident before last year but this thread brought up a question of praying/grace at others homes or something like that.

I was at a potluck dinner at the outlaws, it was outside.  As the host said dinner is ready I actually didn't hear her say let's take a minute to say grace.  My kids and I just started helping ourselves and my son turned to me and said "Dad what are they doing"?  I had no answer that would be of reasoning to a young mind so I let the zombies continue to stand like statues listening to a chant while we carried on getting our food.  Later no less that 10 people came up to me privately (mostly ones I didn't know) and said "I hate saying grace, I don't even believe that also".  We have had a few dinners since and grace has not been said since (while we are there).

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^

If I was wearing a hat I would tip it or take it off to say thanks to you sir.

I just can't remember if I own a hat or not.