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HughFreakingDillon said:

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riley540 said:

Why do we all act like Islam is a good thing? Have you seen how women in Islamic communities are treated? And homosexuals? Sure, believe what you want, but don't put down others. Women can't even show their faces or have any standing in society. :( it's not a good religion. Sorry, just being honest. And I'm not defending Christianity. 

Why do we act like religion is good thing?  There are no good religions.

Equality for gays and women is an area nearly every culture needs to make progress on. 

Again... rushing to the defence of Islam.

Stoning a woman to death who is buried chest high in the street because she was accused of infidelity (in front of a cheering crowd no less) is a far cry from not hiring one.

yeah, because homosexuals' biggest issue over the past 100 years has been not getting a job at Tim Horton's because of too much "flair". 

Homosexuals in North America fare about as well as they do in, oh... say Saudi Arabia? Is this what you are saying? Or are you saying forget the progress we have made and focus on when we treated gays really poorly because the 'now' counts for not?

We aren't perfect, but we are a far cry from throwing gays off buildings, public stonings for women accused of adultery, or simply beating a woman to death because someone said she threw a Quran away.

oh jesus, here we go. yep, that's exactly what I fucking said. 

for fuck's sakes. 

my2hands said:

any candlelight vigils or facebook avatars for the 2 million Muslims killed by the War On Terror?

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PJ_Soul said:

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Jason P said:

So it's possible that a few committed people planned in advance (most fucked up part) and decided to blow themselves up at an Ariana Grande concert in front of a bunch of little girls ... 

Religious leaders need to step up and LEAD sooner then later.  To bad that there is a lack of education, maybe suppression is the better term

It's not a religious issue. 

I disagree with that. Why do you think it's not a religious issue? As far as the terrorists are concerned, however fucked up in their fanatical beliefs, it is very much a religious issue.

Because it's no longer Islam at that point. The same way people will say someone isn't following Christianity when they personally are motivated to kill by what they believe is Christianity. 

tbergs said:

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riley540 said:

I think the religious texts are all pretty fucked. But most Christian people deny the shifty stuff. Lots of good charity work done from all religions which I appreciate. Just can't get into the cultu judgey thing. 

I used to attend a baptist church that was pretty nutty, but the amount of work they did for less fortunate people locally and globally was outstanding. So I can't dog them too hard. Great people stuck in some old school beliefs. 

You don't need religion to do those good things though. Atheists do good work for the less fortunate too. Religion is bullshit, and I think attributing good acts to the existence of religion is like saying all of those people wouldn't help anyone if it weren't for their Church. Well, if that's true, they are actually jerks.

I am genuinely intrigued to hear you say all religion is bullshit, but then in another thread you have mentioned it is rude for someone to wear a hat during the anthem. Generalizing that religion is bullshit is discrediting the good that it does for a lot of people who have nothing to do with violence, inequality or any other wrongful act. Some people have chosen religion as their form of community and that is great for them. Personally, not my thing, but the only one's who piss me off are the fanatics who seem to think it makes them better people or that they have some sort of higher moral ground. That can be said about most groups though. The Pearl Jam Ten Club is a group of people who mostly believe they are the best band ever, but among that same group are the detractors on both ends of the spectrum; the fanatics.

mace1229 said:

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mace1229 said:

Almost no one has painted all muslims as terrorists. in fact, I see more anti-Christian comments on this forum than any other religion.
Maybe by interpretation is wrong, but it comes across to me as defensive when in nearly every terrorist attack many hesitate, or even refuse to call it islamic terrorism. The Orlando shooting I remember reading comments on here saying it had nothing to do with Islam, but was anti-gay, even though he clearly had ties to radical Islam. It only took 2 or 3 posts on this topic before more than 1 person was saying don't blame radical Islam. I interpret someone saying don't blame an organization who is clearly at fault in the majority of these cases as defending them, and it is typically those seem people who decide to switch the blame to Christians and point out ever awful deed someone did who identified as Christian. There's a reason why any time you hear of a bomb in a train, bus, school or arena the majority automatically connect it to radical Islam. Although I'm sure there are more, I can only think of 1 or 2 major events in the last 20 years that killed dozens of people that wasn't tied to radical Islam.
Now I'm not in the boat that says we can't solve this problem unless you call it what it is. I just don't understand why every time something does happen there seem to be those who chose to defend radical Islam (and not acknowledging it is defending it in my opinion) and pin Christianity as a bigger terrorist threat by pointing out 2 or 3 cases in the last 30 years where an offender happened to be Christian.

first, no one, EVER, has defended radical islam. they have only defended islam. there is a difference. people merely state that calling it radical islam paints the picture to the ignorant that islam is to blame, when it is clearly not. radicalization in any form is to blame. are there oppressive and bad parts of the faith? yep. when people come back with "well so does christianity", it's not to deflect, but in an attempt to open the eyes to the hypocrisy. there are MANY things that are said in the bible that are ABHORENT. MOST christians don't practice them anymore. some do, but most don't. some practice the oppressive portions of islam. most don't. but the perception is still there that islam is evil. 

second, many people on this forum (many have been banned) have stated very clearly their anti-islamic stances. 

third, yes, there is anti-christian sentiment on this forum, but usually only as a retort to being confronted with some type of nonsensical judgement by a christian. 

I would agree with most of that. No one has defending the actions of radical Islam, but some have denied it is a problem and a root to many of the violent acts and that is what I meant by defending it. I intentionally use "Radical Islam" to separate the radicals from the rest. Radicals, as everyone knows, makes up a very small fraction of Islam.
I was going to argue the motivation behind the Christian comparison argument. I've seen plenty of posts where Christianity is brought up out of the blue and used as a negative label against people here, much like calling someone a communist was several decades ago. Which never offended me, kinda found it amusing actually.  But reading some other posts, you may have a point to that. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

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HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

CM189191 said:

riley540 said:

Why do we all act like Islam is a good thing? Have you seen how women in Islamic communities are treated? And homosexuals? Sure, believe what you want, but don't put down others. Women can't even show their faces or have any standing in society. :( it's not a good religion. Sorry, just being honest. And I'm not defending Christianity. 

Why do we act like religion is good thing?  There are no good religions.

Equality for gays and women is an area nearly every culture needs to make progress on. 

Again... rushing to the defence of Islam.

Stoning a woman to death who is buried chest high in the street because she was accused of infidelity (in front of a cheering crowd no less) is a far cry from not hiring one.

how is what he said "rushing" to defend it? can you describe what "rushing to defend" even means, and why you think that anyone defending anything you disagree with to be "rushing" to do so?

Because any time anyone makes any legitimate critical remark towards Islam... he attempts to rationalize it. Keep up.

I have kept up just fine thanks. 

so the same, inverse argument could be made about you: rushing to criticize. 

No.

It's not even close. What are you talking about?

First... there's the big stretch trying to suggest anti government types like Breivik (who isn't even a Christian) and McVeigh are 'Christian terrorists'.

Second... even if one insisted on believing these acts by these idiots were borne from Christian ideals... they are isolated events and separated by decades of time- hardly anything at all like what we are experiencing by radical Islam in terms of persistence and methodology.

Even in the best case scenario for someone badly wanting others to 'have the perspective' that Islamic terror has its close rivals.

Third... when someone suggests the nationwide treatment of women and homosexuals is abhorrent... an immediate response is to claim that 'Equality for gays and women is an area nearly every culture needs to make progress on'... so, in other words, it's no different there than here. Which... is wrong.