Please rise and remove your caps

It's tradition to put your hand over your heart and remove your hat during the Pledge of Allegiance or the national anthem, but why?

The hat removal and hand-over-heart rules aren't just tradition, but part of the United States Flag Code on how people should conduct themselves during the pledge and The Star-Spangled Banner.
The tradition originated in the era of knights who wore helmets that completely covered their faces, according to Today I Found Out. It became customary for the knights to lift their visors to show their eyes to the monarch and others as a friendly response. Most individuals did this with their right hand to demonstrate they had no weapon on their sword-wielding arm, an act of submission.

Today, the flag code states: "When not in uniform men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute."

Veterans not in uniform may also salute, or choose to put the right hand over the heart.

Traditionally, women do not remove their hats, even when indoors. This was probably due to the fact that many pinned down their head ornaments, and an effort to remove it would result in destroying the woman’s hairstyle. Even today, on some occasions, it is not necessary for a woman to remove her hat.

According to the Emily Post Institute, women only need to remove their hat if it's a sports cap. It is also customary for a hat to be specifically held in a person’s right hand.

The United States Flag Code also instructs non-U.S. citizens to stand at attention and remove nonuniform hats during the Pledge of Allegiance and national anthem.

forgot to cite my source:  http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/pledge-of-allegiance-hand-over-heart/2015/09/16/id/691910/

rustneversleeps said:

rgambs said:

rustneversleeps said:

rgambs said:

pjhawks said:

rgambs said:

A better person?  Wow lol
That's going a bit far.

why? don't you yourself define people by how they act? 

I define people by the actions they take that have an effect on themselves, others, and the world at large.
I don't define people by empty gestures.

So if a pedophile takes his hat off for the anthem, is he all good?  That's even easier than asking Jesus for forgiveness!  Neat-O!

what is the matter with this kid?

Does it make you feel tough to insult people on the internet?
I'll bet it does.  



A round of applause for the tough guy!!

im not sure what youre insulted by?  arent you the kid that called someone a dick a few posts ago for stating an opinion?  

does it make you feel smart when you talk about how intelligent you are on the interweb every day?  

poupon?

Calling him a dick was a mistake, I can own that, not my most mature post.  That being said...
Your persistence in calling me a kid is a deliberate insult you have levied at me every chance you get since I spoke ill of the sonic abomination commonly known as "The Beastie Boys".
If you don't like the things I have to say I would suggest you counter them with rational arguments or ignore them like a mature adult.  
Otherwise you are trolling and that is unbecoming.

rgambs said:

^another thoughtful, reasoned addition to the debate!

I'm​ not one for observing traditions without reason to do so myself.  I don't do sporting events but I would remove my cap, half out of respect and half out of fear that some crazy hillbilly might start trouble.  Inside, hats aren't really necessary but a removed hat is easily left behind so I won't necessarily take it off because of manners, just depends on the situation.
I don't worry about putting my elbows on the table because that custom is from the days when you would come in from chores, wash hands in the basin, and eat.  Clean elbows are fine on tables, no problem with it.
Opening car doors for ladies is just ridiculous, opening doors for people when you are both going through is just common sense courtesy.
Shaking hands I am not a fan of, too much time working in the operating room and becoming germ averse, but that one is hard to avoid, it's too awkward to refuse.  It is an outdated custom that has negative effects on people, but it sure is persistent.

After games, the kids 'fist bump' now which makes much more sense.

* Side note: my iPad is making some crazy autocorrects. If I don't triple check... I'd come across as a lunatic at times.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

^another thoughtful, reasoned addition to the debate!

I'm​ not one for observing traditions without reason to do so myself.  I don't do sporting events but I would remove my cap, half out of respect and half out of fear that some crazy hillbilly might start trouble.  Inside, hats aren't really necessary but a removed hat is easily left behind so I won't necessarily take it off because of manners, just depends on the situation.
I don't worry about putting my elbows on the table because that custom is from the days when you would come in from chores, wash hands in the basin, and eat.  Clean elbows are fine on tables, no problem with it.
Opening car doors for ladies is just ridiculous, opening doors for people when you are both going through is just common sense courtesy.
Shaking hands I am not a fan of, too much time working in the operating room and becoming germ averse, but that one is hard to avoid, it's too awkward to refuse.  It is an outdated custom that has negative effects on people, but it sure is persistent.

After games, the kids 'fist bump' now which makes much more sense.

* Side note: my iPad is making some crazy autocorrects. If I don't triple check... I'd come across as a lunatic at times.

That does make good sense, I'll bet there's some grumps out there that hate it though lol

rgambs said:

^another thoughtful, reasoned addition to the debate!

I'm​ not one for observing traditions without reason to do so myself.  I don't do sporting events but I would remove my cap, half out of respect and half out of fear that some crazy hillbilly might start trouble.  Inside, hats aren't really necessary but a removed hat is easily left behind so I won't necessarily take it off because of manners, just depends on the situation.
I don't worry about putting my elbows on the table because that custom is from the days when you would come in from chores, wash hands in the basin, and eat.  Clean elbows are fine on tables, no problem with it.
Opening car doors for ladies is just ridiculous, opening doors for people when you are both going through is just common sense courtesy.
Shaking hands I am not a fan of, too much time working in the operating room and becoming germ averse, but that one is hard to avoid, it's too awkward to refuse.  It is an outdated custom that has negative effects on people, but it sure is persistent.

Shaking hands isn't the problem, the problem is the nose picking and eye rubbing without washing your hands first. 

Who knew a thread about hat etiquette might get closed. My question about regional differences was more about outside of the stadium, say at shows or a restaurant. It's more casual in Oregon and people keep their hats on all the time. Maybe there's a couple real fancy restaurants in Portland where this doesn't happen. Heck, I've never been anywhere where jeans aren't acceptable.     

Go Beavers said:

rgambs said:

^another thoughtful, reasoned addition to the debate!

I'm​ not one for observing traditions without reason to do so myself.  I don't do sporting events but I would remove my cap, half out of respect and half out of fear that some crazy hillbilly might start trouble.  Inside, hats aren't really necessary but a removed hat is easily left behind so I won't necessarily take it off because of manners, just depends on the situation.
I don't worry about putting my elbows on the table because that custom is from the days when you would come in from chores, wash hands in the basin, and eat.  Clean elbows are fine on tables, no problem with it.
Opening car doors for ladies is just ridiculous, opening doors for people when you are both going through is just common sense courtesy.
Shaking hands I am not a fan of, too much time working in the operating room and becoming germ averse, but that one is hard to avoid, it's too awkward to refuse.  It is an outdated custom that has negative effects on people, but it sure is persistent.

Shaking hands isn't the problem, the problem is the nose picking and eye rubbing without washing your hands first. 

It takes quite a bit of training and conscious effort to resist all urges to touch your face, you might think you are doing well, and then bam, you catch yourself doing it. 
When there are no consequences, you might think you aren't touching your face without washing your hands, but you are, and I learned that the hard way, the same as anybody who scrubs does.