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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    This lumber tarrif idiocy is ridiculous, sorry guys.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    An interesting development.

    I'm curious to know how things would play out in the long term if the US and Canada limited trade between them.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    An interesting development.

    I'm curious to know how things would play out in the long term if the US and Canada limited trade between them.

    We will cut down our scant remaining forests while y'all are selling lumber to the rest of the world.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    An interesting development.

    I'm curious to know how things would play out in the long term if the US and Canada limited trade between them.

    We will cut down our scant remaining forests while y'all are selling lumber to the rest of the world.
    That's how I see it.

    There's other resources you guys want too. I'd obviously expect a price hike for those given Trump's tariff if there's a game to be played here.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    rgambs said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    An interesting development.

    I'm curious to know how things would play out in the long term if the US and Canada limited trade between them.

    We will cut down our scant remaining forests while y'all are selling lumber to the rest of the world.
    That's how I see it.

    There's other resources you guys want too. I'd obviously expect a price hike for those given Trump's tariff if there's a game to be played here.
    This one pisses me off, I don't want to see Canada deforested either, but y'all got some fucking trees up there. Like, more than a few, and in ecosystems vast enough that make lumber more renewable than we what we have.
    But, no, we gotta have our guys making the money so we will cut down what little forest we have left.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    It's short term thinking at best.

    As long as Trump can boast about a teeny weeny little spike in the forestry sector... he'll do it. And the guppies so eager to stroke his ego will lap it up thinking he's making America great again (leaving the mess for your kids to deal with).
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited April 2017
    O'Leary just dropped out of the Conservative leadership race because, while he thinks he would have won the race, he doesn't think he can beat Trudeau in a federal election. I'm somewhat impressed by the decision actually. He may or may not be right (I'd like to think he's right, but I'm not sure I have that much faith in Canadian voters, and that isn't a comment about Trudeau, who I think is generally doing just fine even though I've disagreed with a few decisions he's made). But it's good that he made a decision that won't put Canada in a kind of toned down Trump situation. We don't need any more business fat cats turned reality TV stars leading countries.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    PJ_Soul said:

    O'Leary just dropped out of the Conservative leadership race because, while he thinks he would have won the race, he doesn't think he can beat Trudeau in a federal election. I'm somewhat impressed by the decision actually. He may or may not be right (I'd like to think he's right, but I'm not sure I have that much faith in Canadian voters, and that isn't a comment about Trudeau, who I think is generally doing just fine even though I've disagreed with a few decisions he's made). But it's good that he made a decision that won't put Canada in a kind of toned down Trump situation. We don't need any more business fat cats turned reality TV stars leading countries.

    that is AWESOME.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    O'Leary just dropped out of the Conservative leadership race because, while he thinks he would have won the race, he doesn't think he can beat Trudeau in a federal election. I'm somewhat impressed by the decision actually. He may or may not be right (I'd like to think he's right, but I'm not sure I have that much faith in Canadian voters, and that isn't a comment about Trudeau, who I think is generally doing just fine even though I've disagreed with a few decisions he's made). But it's good that he made a decision that won't put Canada in a kind of toned down Trump situation. We don't need any more business fat cats turned reality TV stars leading countries.

    that is AWESOME.
    Totally. I definitely have a sense of relief right now. I agree he would have likely won the leadership race... can you imagine what kind of sensational crap he would have brought to the table? Canada just doesn't need that, especially not right now.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,596
    PJ_Soul said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    O'Leary just dropped out of the Conservative leadership race because, while he thinks he would have won the race, he doesn't think he can beat Trudeau in a federal election. I'm somewhat impressed by the decision actually. He may or may not be right (I'd like to think he's right, but I'm not sure I have that much faith in Canadian voters, and that isn't a comment about Trudeau, who I think is generally doing just fine even though I've disagreed with a few decisions he's made). But it's good that he made a decision that won't put Canada in a kind of toned down Trump situation. We don't need any more business fat cats turned reality TV stars leading countries.

    that is AWESOME.
    Totally. I definitely have a sense of relief right now. I agree he would have likely won the leadership race... can you imagine what kind of sensational crap he would have brought to the table? Canada just doesn't need that, especially not right now.
    and he likely would have dragged canada into the same international conflict oblivion that trump is doing down south. not to mention his lack of understanding that destroying the earth is actually BAD for the economy in the long run.

    big sigh of relief here.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited April 2017
    Indeed..... I think he is just saying he didn't think he could beat Trudeau, now that I think about it. He needed to say something to excuse his dropping out. I suspect that he would be more likely to win a federal election than he would have been to win the Conservative leadership. The rest of the party know his game I'm sure, and I doubt they want to surrender their party to the likes of him. Although he does have a point about Quebec, and his inability to speak French may have been an insurmountable problem. Anyway, here is his statement. It is fucking hilarious and also so stupid that he had the nerve to criticize Trudeau's celebrity, lol. And for the record, a lot of Conservatives like to bring up this "selfie" thing with Trudeau. While maybe the guy has taken an actual selfie or two to highlight some issue or event, that seems normal to me, given his age. But what is actually happening is that the MEDIA is turning everything he does into a photo-op while he is just doing his normal public duties, and the media is single-handedly giving him said "celebrity status". The job has always involved the stuff he does. It's not his fault that the media treats him like a fucking movie star. He has absolutely nothing to do with that kind of persona that's being built for him by the international media. It's not like he can tell them to fuck off. I also think that, at the end of the day, the massive increase in global exposure for Canada's PM is actually good for Canada economically.

    "Canada desperately needs a change in government. While Justin Trudeau basks in the glow of celebrity status and focuses on his next opportunity for a selfie, he is destroying the strong fiscal position that Prime Minister Harper left Canada in. If Trudeau isn't beaten in the next election, he will leave the next generation of Canadians, those thousands of Millennials I've been talking about, with a mountain of debt and high taxes. This cannot be allowed to happen.

    The Conservative Party needs someone who has the best chance of beating Trudeau. Someone who will command the support of Canadians from every region of the country and who can build a consensus among all members of the Party.

    I am proud that my team and I have been frontrunners in this 14-candidate race since the very launch of my campaign in mid-January. In particular, I am touched by the 35,335 people who purchased memberships to support our cause. This list includes a whole new generation of young Canadians, many of whom are new to the Conservative Party, and I’m hoping will be lifetime Members.

    I am not a politician, so I never pushed a shopping list of promises. I've had only one, to achieve 3% economic growth in Canada. In order to do this, I said I would have to deliver the Conservative Party a majority mandate in 2019 so that we could reverse Trudeau’s irresponsible and destructive policies.

    I have now spent four months on the campaign trail. My team has done extensive polling during this time, but more importantly I have spoken directly with thousands of Conservatives from across the country, and the concerns they are expressing are the same.

    Here is what I know:

    Maxime Bernier and I are statistically tied as front runners.
    Because I am an outsider I have very weak 2nd ballot support.
    I am extremely strong in the West but have not generated material support in Quebec.

    Second ballot support is always a concern for any candidate and all you can do is live with that risk and see where the votes settle.

    The Quebec data is a different kind of issue and a big problem for me. There are 78 seats in Quebec, and the Conservative Party currently holds only 12 of them. In other words, the Liberals politically own Quebec. Without growing the Conservative base in Quebec, beating Trudeau in 2019 would be a huge challenge. The Conservatives did it in 2011, but only with a perfect vote split and in a political environment much different than the one that exists today. This is obviously very disappointing for me. As someone who was born in Montreal, I had hoped I would do much better there.

    Like the other candidates, I have worked like hell on this campaign and I want the DNA of my policies and objectives to survive into the general election. The candidate that best mirrors my policies is Maxime Bernier, and he has strong support in Quebec. He is perhaps the first Conservative in a long time that has a chance of winning over 40 seats there, which would materially improve our chances for a majority mandate.

    So here is what I’m going to do; I’m withdrawing my candidacy from the Leadership Race and throwing my full support behind Max. I’m going to do everything I can to ensure he gets elected, and I’m going to ask my supporters to do the same. Together we will drive Justin Trudeau out of power in 2019, and we will work to get Canada’s economy growing at 3 percent.

    This was not an easy decision for me to make but after much thought and deliberation, it is the right one for the Conservative party and the country. The campaign and travelling and meeting with Conservatives has been an experience of a lifetime, and I owe so much to my Team, and the thousands of volunteers and Members that have supported me. Together we will move forward to change Canada’s direction for the better in the election of 2019.

    Sincerely,

    Kevin O'Leary"
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    The Canadian extremists inside the Berkeley violence

    “So you guys might be wondering what a Canadian is doing here at a free speech American patriot rally,” she said.

    “But I’m here to give you a warning. Because as a denizen of the cold, northern wasteland that is Canada, nothing would please me more than to tell you guys that you will never meet the same fate that we did.

    "That your history of protecting freedom and individualism will keep you safe. Unlike in Canada’s system where we have a full-on assault on Western values. Where we have people being arrested for tweets. Where we have motions being passed in our government making it outlawed to criticize Islam. People are being persecuted for comedy and fined tens of thousands of dollars by social justice tribunals for the crime of making offensive jokes.

    I would love to tell you that America won’t end up like that. But that would be fake news.”

    http://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/04/26/news/canadian-connection-extremist-fringe-inside-berkeley-violence
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    dignin said:

    The Canadian extremists inside the Berkeley violence

    “So you guys might be wondering what a Canadian is doing here at a free speech American patriot rally,” she said.

    “But I’m here to give you a warning. Because as a denizen of the cold, northern wasteland that is Canada, nothing would please me more than to tell you guys that you will never meet the same fate that we did.

    "That your history of protecting freedom and individualism will keep you safe. Unlike in Canada’s system where we have a full-on assault on Western values. Where we have people being arrested for tweets. Where we have motions being passed in our government making it outlawed to criticize Islam. People are being persecuted for comedy and fined tens of thousands of dollars by social justice tribunals for the crime of making offensive jokes.

    I would love to tell you that America won’t end up like that. But that would be fake news.”

    http://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/04/26/news/canadian-connection-extremist-fringe-inside-berkeley-violence

    What a load of crap.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Well, looks like we have the Liberals again in BC, though hanging on by a thread. A minority government and things may change in upcoming weeks. I was hoping that this time we would finally get rid of them.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-election-2017-results-1.4107582

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    oftenreading said:
    Well, looks like we have the Liberals again in BC, though hanging on by a thread. A minority government and things may change in upcoming weeks. I was hoping that this time we would finally get rid of them.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-election-2017-results-1.4107582

    I can't stand Clark and the Libs. I had concerns with the NDP. I voted Green to lend support to a growing party who's values fall close to mine.

    I'm kind of optimistic about the results for some reason?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    oftenreading said:
    Well, looks like we have the Liberals again in BC, though hanging on by a thread. A minority government and things may change in upcoming weeks. I was hoping that this time we would finally get rid of them.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-election-2017-results-1.4107582

    I can't stand Clark and the Libs. I had concerns with the NDP. I voted Green to lend support to a growing party who's values fall close to mine.

    I'm kind of optimistic about the results for some reason?

    Well, the Greens could have a much higher profile now with their three seats making the difference, given how close the Liberal and NDP results are. Let's see what they do with it. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited May 2017
    Well, we'd be rid of that horrible woman if Green voters had chosen to get rid of her. :disappointed:
    I am hoping the Greens and the NDP form a coalition. I doubt they will, but I can still dream.
    I'll give BC politics one thing: They sure aren't boring.

    There is at least a silver lining for my own riding. Steve Darling didn't win, lol. Phew.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    Rona Ambrose is leaving federal politics!!

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rona-ambrose-conservative-mp-1.4116233?cid=

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJ_Soul said:
    Rona Ambrose is leaving federal politics!!

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rona-ambrose-conservative-mp-1.4116233?cid=

    Maybe good news for Canada but not great news for Albertans. I would be surprised if she didn't run for the leader of new united right wing party here.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,717
    edited May 2017
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Rona Ambrose is leaving federal politics!!

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rona-ambrose-conservative-mp-1.4116233?cid=

    Maybe good news for Canada but not great news for Albertans. I would be surprised if she didn't run for the leader of new united right wing party here.
    Oh, almost certainly.... I actually thought most Albertans would be happy about that though, you excluded. I guess all I'm going off of is social media, but it seems like most Albertans are super pro-right wing because of the overdependence on oil. Is that impression wrong?
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