Taking Offense - Has It Gone Off The Rails?

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    Here is another...

    Cultural Appropriation.
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    unsung said:

    Here is another...

    Cultural Appropriation.

    To me that's a pretty neutral term. How do you see it used?
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    Q: How is gender like the twin towers?

    A: There used to be two of them but now it's offensive to talk about it.

    too soon?
  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    unsung said:

    Here is another...

    Cultural Appropriation.

    and you don't like that term because....?
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    And still no actual evidence... lots of clever comments, but nothing of substance.
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    And still no actual evidence... lots of clever comments, but nothing of substance.

    Google is your friend. C'mon Matt's, put some effort into it. Earn it. You expecting a hand out?
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    To clear up any confusion, any factual evidence of sytematic oppression today? Yes it has happened in the past, but how about today?

    Define "today." Do you mean 04/27/2017, this week, month, year, decade or last half or full century?
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    And still no actual evidence... lots of clever comments, but nothing of substance.

    LMGTFY
  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473

    And still no actual evidence... lots of clever comments, but nothing of substance.

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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    When charged with the same crime, a black male is six times more likely to go to jail than a white male. In spite of being only 12 percent of the population, black people make up 38 percent of arrests for violent crimes. They are twice as likely to be victims of the threat or use of force by the police.
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    59 percent of those in prison for drug offenses are black, and a black man convicted of a drug offense spends as much time in prison as a white man convicted of a violent offense.
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    Black people are sentenced to 20 percent longer prison terms than white people for similar crimes. For the same crime of the same severity, black people are 38 percent more likely to be sentenced to death.
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    Studies show that these disparities are not caused by the black community being more criminal, but by “the implicit racial association of black Americans with dangerous or aggressive behavior,” which “significantly increases police officers’ willingness to employ violent or even deadly force against them.”
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  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    need more, @mattsl1983 ?
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    Fake facts......SAD!!
  • Seattle Posts: 7,177
    edited April 2017

    and you don't like that term because....?
    It isn't the term I dislike, it is the concept that we can't appreciate and embrace things from other cultures for fear of retribution. In the last couple of years I keep reading articles about what Halloween costumes are inappropriate due to cultural appropriation. Also, apparently:
    white girls can't wear braids now - http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/hampshire_college_student_face.html
    And gods forbid they wear hoop earrings - http://claremontindependent.com/pitzer-college-ra-white-people-cant-wear-hoop-earrings/
    White dudes shouldn't have dreads or matted hair - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDlQ4H0Kdg8
    Don't use the term Sweat Lodge with your yoga studio: http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20170110/anderson-feud-over-native-american-culture
    In fact, white people probably shouldn't be doing yoga at all: http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/11/20/free-ottawa-yoga-class-scrapped-over-cultural-issues

    These are just a few of the examples of why I think the notion that cultural appropriation is wrong or bad is bullshit. In fact, cultural appropriation is what has happened for centuries and every culture is the result of some sort of cultural appropriation. You can find it in art, in food, in music, in architecture, in clothing styles, etc... It isn't a bad thing, but these days it is treated as a some sort of sin.
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    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
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    jeffbr said:

    It isn't the term I dislike, it is the concept that we can't appreciate and embrace things from other cultures for fear of retribution. In the last couple of years I keep reading articles about what Halloween costumes are inappropriate due to cultural appropriation. Also, apparently:
    white girls can't wear braids now - http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/hampshire_college_student_face.html
    And gods forbid they wear hoop earrings - http://claremontindependent.com/pitzer-college-ra-white-people-cant-wear-hoop-earrings/ White dudes shouldn't have dreads or matted hair - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDlQ4H0Kdg8
    Don't use the term Sweat Lodge with your yoga studio: http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20170110/anderson-feud-over-native-american-culture
    In fact, white people probably shouldn't be doing yoga at all: http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/11/20/free-ottawa-yoga-class-scrapped-over-cultural-issues

    These are just a few of the examples of why I think the notion that cultural appropriate is wrong or bad is bullshit. In fact, cultural appropriation is what has happened for centuries and every culture is the result of some sort of cultural appropriation. You can find it in art, in food, in music, in architecture, in clothing styles, etc... It isn't a bad thing, but these days it is treated as a some sort of sin.
    I'm with you on all of this, but there are some examples of cultural appropriation I do find distasteful.


  • Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Absolutely. I think context and respect (or lack thereof) make all the difference. Appreciation of other cultures shouldn't be discouraged. But the tool above is an example of why we are even talking about this issue.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    jeffbr said:

    It isn't the term I dislike, it is the concept that we can't appreciate and embrace things from other cultures for fear of retribution. In the last couple of years I keep reading articles about what Halloween costumes are inappropriate due to cultural appropriation. Also, apparently:
    white girls can't wear braids now - http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/hampshire_college_student_face.html
    And gods forbid they wear hoop earrings - http://claremontindependent.com/pitzer-college-ra-white-people-cant-wear-hoop-earrings/
    White dudes shouldn't have dreads or matted hair - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDlQ4H0Kdg8
    Don't use the term Sweat Lodge with your yoga studio: http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20170110/anderson-feud-over-native-american-culture
    In fact, white people probably shouldn't be doing yoga at all: http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/11/20/free-ottawa-yoga-class-scrapped-over-cultural-issues

    These are just a few of the examples of why I think the notion that cultural appropriation is wrong or bad is bullshit. In fact, cultural appropriation is what has happened for centuries and every culture is the result of some sort of cultural appropriation. You can find it in art, in food, in music, in architecture, in clothing styles, etc... It isn't a bad thing, but these days it is treated as a some sort of sin.
    ok, those are some pretty ridiculous examples. I agree, that is taking it a bit over the edge. unfortunately, many liberal "agendas" take on a ridiculous form when released out into the public consciousness. people don't know when to quit sometimes.

    there is nothing wrong, in my eyes, as you said, appreciating and embracing other cultures and their traditions; it becomes a problem when it crosses over into mockery, like dressing up as an "indian" for halloween, or blackface, for instance. it seemed harmless to me as a kid, as it did my parents, which is why they find all of this particularly ridiculous, but I see now how it could be harmful to those from that culture and celebrate it.

    I really don't think it's right to keep sports team names that make caricatures out of cultures. I'm shocked there has yet to be any outrage over the CFL team name Edmonton Eskimos; it is not only considered a derogatory term nowadays, but it's another example of making a culture a cartoon character.

    Imagine if a team of black people called themselves the Haitian Honkies, and dressed up as white hillbillies with banjos. I'm sure there'd be comparable outrage.
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    jeffbr said:

    It isn't the term I dislike, it is the concept that we can't appreciate and embrace things from other cultures for fear of retribution. In the last couple of years I keep reading articles about what Halloween costumes are inappropriate due to cultural appropriation. Also, apparently:
    white girls can't wear braids now - http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/hampshire_college_student_face.html
    And gods forbid they wear hoop earrings - http://claremontindependent.com/pitzer-college-ra-white-people-cant-wear-hoop-earrings/
    White dudes shouldn't have dreads or matted hair - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDlQ4H0Kdg8
    Don't use the term Sweat Lodge with your yoga studio: http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/20170110/anderson-feud-over-native-american-culture
    In fact, white people probably shouldn't be doing yoga at all: http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/11/20/free-ottawa-yoga-class-scrapped-over-cultural-issues

    These are just a few of the examples of why I think the notion that cultural appropriation is wrong or bad is bullshit. In fact, cultural appropriation is what has happened for centuries and every culture is the result of some sort of cultural appropriation. You can find it in art, in food, in music, in architecture, in clothing styles, etc... It isn't a bad thing, but these days it is treated as a some sort of sin.
    "A few examples" is correct. Individuals resenting whites taking from their culture is nothing new and definately not a "these days" kind of thing. Watching others borrow from your culture and figuring out how to respond and reconcile that internally is something nearly every ethnic minority has to deal with.

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