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  • mfc2006 said:

    They had years.....YEARS....to develop a different plan.
    Ok. Fine. But you're missing the point. Obama didn't provide a viable plan either as was said when he forced it and is now playing out. So, what you are pointing out is irrelevant to the point being made. Obama. Failure.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    BS44325 said:

    Well this is an interesting question because democrats are stating that Flynn does not have "executive privilege" which means they are leaning towards labeling him as a private citizen. If he is a "senior official of the transition team" (which I and most people believe) then executive privilege should still apply even if Trump hadn't actually been sworn in at the time (probably a controversial point of law). Irrespective of this do the intelligence agencies have the right to ensnare a "senior official of the transition team" who was a non-target of the spying? My guess is nobody would think this is ok if the shoe was on the other foot. Would it have been ok for the CIA to release recordings of John Kerry discussing potentially illegal aspects of the Iran nuclear deal with an agent of Iran? Of course not.
    That's funny, I don't remember you being so concerned about Comey releasing a statement that the FBI was investigating Hillary 10 days before the election.
    BS44325 said:

    There was nothing legal about delivering cash on a tarmac for an exchange of prisoners. The phone call detailing that transaction would probably be of some interest to congress. Either way you are just plain wrong on the point of law. An American cannot in fact become a target when spying on a foreigner without FISA court approval. You were probably one of those people equating Bush with Hitler for suggesting to do just that. Now as far as what Flynn was doing? It's called his job. Talking with foreign counterparts is his roll even during the transition period and as per the FBI he did not do anything of a criminal nature. No "negotiations" were had...only a discussion that all policies will be reevaluated once the next administration takes office. Could there be more? Maybe but at this point your plain just making shit up.
    Why did Flynn lie about it then?

    Maybe he just caught whatever makes Trump lie compulsively, it seems to be going around his administration.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    That's funny, I don't remember you being so concerned about Comey releasing a statement that the FBI was investigating Hillary 10 days before the election. Why did Flynn lie about it then?

    Maybe he just caught whatever makes Trump lie compulsively, it seems to be going around his administration.
    In the Hillary case the FBI didn't "leak" that there was an investigaton. The actual head came forward and made a statement. In this case the FBI made a statement of innocence on Flynn while intelligence agents selectively leaked information that put daylight between him and the vice president. Based on current reporting Flynn isn't gone because of "shady dealings" with Russia. He is gone because during the process of doing his job he stated something that wasn't true and damaged the Vice President's credibility. Could there be more to it then that? Sure...but at the moment nobody knows anything more then that.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    BS44325 said:

    In the Hillary case the FBI didn't "leak" that there was an investigaton. The actual head came forward and made a statement. In this case the FBI made a statement of innocence on Flynn while intelligence agents selectively leaked information that put daylight between him and the vice president. Based on current reporting Flynn isn't gone because of "shady dealings" with Russia. He is gone because during the process of doing his job he stated something that wasn't true and damaged the Vice President's credibility. Could there be more to it then that? Sure...but at the moment nobody knows anything more then that.
    That's not the current reporting, that is the story that the administration is trying to sell. From what I gather most news media isn't buying that, and I can't blame them for not trusting what this administration is peddling.

    And I'm wondering if you have an excuse as to why Flynn would lie?
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927

    Obamacare continues to fail. Humana to pull out in 2018. Will repeal, replace & save healthcare for ALL Americans.

    Fear uncertainty doubt
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489

    Ok. Fine. But you're missing the point. Obama didn't provide a viable plan either as was said when he forced it and is now playing out. So, what you are pointing out is irrelevant to the point being made. Obama. Failure.
    That's not the point that I was trying to make. Whether you agree with ACA/Obamacare (same thing, by the way. Some people actually don't understand that.) or not, it was a start to provide healthcare to all Americans. Did I think that it would be altered later on? Yes. Does it have flaws? Of course. Most acts/laws are updated over time, that's nothing new.

    The thing that irks me is that all Republicans did was complain about it for years...and YEARS. They wasted that time by complaining instead of coming up with updates/changes to ACA.
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  • BS44325 said:

    There was nothing legal about delivering cash on a tarmac for an exchange of prisoners. The phone call detailing that transaction would probably be of some interest to congress. Either way you are just plain wrong on the point of law. An American cannot in fact become a target when spying on a foreigner without FISA court approval. You were probably one of those people equating Bush with Hitler for suggesting to do just that. Now as far as what Flynn was doing? It's called his job. Talking with foreign counterparts is his roll even during the transition period and as per the FBI he did not do anything of a criminal nature. No "negotiations" were had...only a discussion that all policies will be reevaluated once the next administration takes office. Could there be more? Maybe but at this point your plain just making shit up.
    Yup, congressional investigations, treasury, CIA, NSA and FBI are all investigating because I just plain make shit up. Flynn wasn't ensnared as much as he was duped. This is what happens when your version of "brilliance" meets brilliance and cunning a la Putin. Flynn's ties go beyond phone calls to the Russian ambassador. Bank transactions and travel records are being looked into. Sure, I make shit up. And if the cash on the tarmac was so illegal, where are the multiple republican committee investigations of democrats and criminal investigations and charges? Who's making shit up now? But love how you revert to criticism of the Obama Administration as a defense of your untenable candidate and administration. You own this shit storm. You can follow your wishful thinking. I'll follow the money right through impeachment and removal from office.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    my advice to the Trumpsters: pick a better candidate next time. or better yet, just stop voting.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    edited February 2017
    by the way, how's the show Canada? are we being entertaining enough for you all? or shall we dial it down a bit?
  • Wrong regarding my thoughts on FISA as I already know there's no expectation of privacy anymore, mostly due to corporate interests. Try reading those user agreements you check off on to use a website or get a credit card or place an order. And I've got nothing to hide and I don't usually yak on the phone. But nice try trying to paint me with your Bush is Hitler brush. Never said or thought that. Did think bush was in over his head and Cheney called the shots. And they both should be tried for war crimes. I stand by that. Trump is a fascist though. You are the company you keep.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    vaggar99 said:

    by the way, how's the show Canada? are we being entertaining enough for you all? or shall we dial it down a bit?

    It's a dumpster fire, and I can't look away.

    Please put it out.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    dignin said:

    It's a dumpster fire, and I can't look away.

    Please put it out.
    please. you love it. the fumes are toxic and might even kill you, but you just can't stop breathing them.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,855
    vaggar99 said:

    please. you love it. the fumes are toxic and might even kill you, but you just can't stop breathing them.
    If you stand far enough away and squint, it's kind of like the northern lights.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    my gut tells me Kellyanne is out tomorrow.
  • vaggar99 said:

    my gut tells me Kellyanne is out tomorrow.

    From what I'm gathering, her days might be numbered. I'm afraid that this administration is going to go into fight or flight mode very quickly with the Bannon/Miller faction becoming the dominant force. If Reince leaves soon, it's over. That's when I think congressional republicans swarm and investigations intensify.
  • CM189191 said:

    Fear uncertainty doubt
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    That's not the current reporting, that is the story that the administration is trying to sell. From what I gather most news media isn't buying that, and I can't blame them for not trusting what this administration is peddling.

    And I'm wondering if you have an excuse as to why Flynn would lie?
    It is the current reporting. Other then stories additional stories on "contacts" during the campaign there has been no evidence presented that anything was done wrong. Again...more may come to light but there just isn't anything else there at the moment.

    In terms if why would Flynn lie...I have no idea and won't make an excuse for him. We actually don't have access to the transcripts to the call to know what the lie even was? Was it a clear nefarious lie or was it a simple use of words. The reporting I have seen said the Russia's brought up sanctions and Flynn said with no commitment that everything will be revisited once in office. Flynn might have not considered that statement to be a "discussion" on sanctions and therefore blew that point off when instead he should have said "sanctions were discussed" even if it was essentially meaningless. The point is we don't know...all we have is the FBI stating that his conversation was ok. I'm not closed minded to the fact that there could have been something more but no agency has said this yet.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    I was reacting to this line "The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears." I can't find any of those policies. I find statements.
    Not much Mrussel but an example where EO's actually have some practical effect.

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  • The fake news media is going crazy with their conspiracy theories and blind hatred. @MSNBC & @CNN are unwatchable. @foxandfriends is great! This Russian connection non-sense is merely an attempt to cover-up the many mistakes made in Hillary Clinton's losing campaign. Information is being illegally given to the failing @nytimes & @washingtonpost by the intelligence community (NSA and FBI?).Just like Russia. Thank you to Eli Lake of The Bloomberg View - "The NSA & FBI...should not interfere in our politics...and is" Very serious situation for USA

    He has a point about CNN being unwatchable.
  • Does this president only tweet? What a loser.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,881
    lol Bafoon's administration is crumbling and the Bafoonites wanna blame the leftists lol you can't make this up he's by far thee worst president to have been elected into office and we're not even three months into it lol !!!
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    During the campaign, President Trump had suggested that such incidents show “how low we’ve gone that they can toy with us like that.” He said that Russian President Vladimir Putin should be warned in a phone call to stop and if the flybys continued then “when that sucker comes by you, you gotta shoot.”
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,881
    The Russian prodding of America is just a smoke screen , let's keep focus on why this administration needed Russian involvement in our election to get Bafoon elected he & Putin are best of friends !!
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    I never thought I would see the day when conservative hawks became Putin sympathizers lol
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117

    Does this president only tweet? What a loser.

    Tweeter-in-Chief

    He's nothing but a snowflake with a twitter app...

    a treasonous tweeter LOL
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    my2hands said:

    I never thought I would see the day when conservative hawks became Putin sympathizers lol

    i did. they are the negative party. you say it's raining outside. they say the sun is shining. you say Putin is a killer. they say Putin is a sexy man on a horse.
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