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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    sexy man on a horse... bafoon & bafoonites...

    I told you guys this was more fun than the W years lol
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Question:

    Is Stephen Miller an alien? Or is he a cyborg? I'm torn
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Jose, I'm never going to capitalize that b
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    my2hands said:

    sexy man on a horse... bafoon & bafoonites...

    I told you guys this was more fun than the W years lol

    i'm not denying the fun part. i've also had a lot of fun drinking a lot and that usually doesn't turn out well either.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,550
    my2hands said:

    Jose, I'm never going to capitalize that b

    I know lol sorry my bad bafoon bafoon man what are we gonna do once he's no longer in charge oh wait I forgot he's not in charge its Putin & Bannon the racist who are pulling bafoon's strings lol what a puppet !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    Transparency is going to be Trump's greatest legacy. Not because he wants to be transparent, it's just that he has assembled a merry band of idiots that don't know how to coordinate
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    anybody else think Mike Pence is leaking info?

    seems obvious to me
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    I would love to see President Trump go head to head w/ a few of you on AMT.
    Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia? The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy. Very un-American!
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    vaggar99 said:

    my2hands said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    I think optimism is speaking in this thread recently.

    I'm not so sure Trump has one foot out the door, folks.

    I hope he stays all 4 years because he is obviously a disaster and this is the best thing to ever happen to the progressive movement in North America...

    The best part of this fiasco is that it is destroying their credibility and agenda...

    But honestly... I want this orange bully to be proven to be a traitor in bed with the Russians and do the perp walk out of the White House.
    it's all fun and games until a nuke goes off
    I'm of the same thinking. I want his 4 years of nonsense to destroy the republican far right, but at the same time, how much damage is he going to do if he's in office that long.
    People thought his candidacy alone would destroy the republican party and yet they are more republicans in government then ever. The Flynn resignation certainly doesn't look good but there is no evidence that Trump is doing "damage". The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears. His campaign was messy...he had three different campaign managers until he found success. People will be hired and fired based on results and it's quite possible the removal of Flynn will be a blessing in disguise as there has always been tension between him and the intelligence agencies. Nothing that has happened so far has made the electoral terrain any better for the Dems in 2018. The question is when/if the messiness becomes electorally significant?
    Can you tell me the policies that he put in place that are in effect today? I literally can think of zero. All of those EO's he signed were a bunch of marketing fluff.
    It certainly isn't much so far but it is a sense of direction. Pipeline approvals aren't fluff. Removal of burdensome regulations is not fluff. A conservative supreme court judge is certainly not fluff. Add to that a direction of a better business environment through improving the tax code, eliminating Obamacare, continued removal of regulation. Add to that a focus on school choice. Add to the enforcing the rule of law. Add to that a harder stance in the war on terror and a tougher stance on Iran. These things are happening and will continue to happen with time.
    He didn't do any of the things (outside nominating a SCOTUS). Did you read the Dodd Frank related EO? No substance. Read the first paragraph here:

    While not unimportant, the order is largely aspirational as it sets out a broad outline for the reforms the Trump administration will seek in financial regulation. However, the order, in and of itself, does not affect any regulatory changes.

    The order does, however, include a directive to the secretary of the Treasury, but that directive — produce a report — will not produce any meaningful changes either.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/finance/318298-trumps-dodd-frank-eo-is-more-bark-than-bite

    Has he changed the tax code (don't answer that because you well know that he cannot do that). Has he repealed Obamacare? He also has no power to do that. Rule of law? You mean the EO last week about that? Go ahead and read them and tell me what it actually does.
    You are aware that I said "sense of a direction"? I know that he hasn't done these things but this is where policy seems to be moving. Like I said he will be judged on results.
    I was reacting to this line "The policies he has put in place are still in line with what his voters wanted and I don't see that changing regardless how messy it appears." I can't find any of those policies. I find statements.
    Not much Mrussel but an example where EO's actually have some practical effect.

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/02/14/irs-blow-to-obamacare-individual-mandate
    That's actually quite interesting. And a change like that where the IRS WILL NOT enforce would be material. However, while this story piqued my interest (my wife is a CPA and this is high tax season and we actually had a conversation about the mandate last night), the correction at the bottom was pretty material. Did you see it? The entry of the data wasn't even mandatory in 2016. Now the article says the change was set to go in effect in 17 but is that true? Who knows. The whole point of the article is that Trump wrote an EO and now Obamacare penalties are gone. But that's not true. And the mandate isn't gone. If someone gets audited and they didn't have insurance, they would subject to the amount, the fees and the penalties. No professional CPA is going to recommend to their client that they leave that blank.

    Correction: The IRS did not reject silent returns last year, as this story originally indicated. The plan was to go into effect this year, for 2016 returns, but the IRS reversed course on February 3. Reason regrets the error.
  • PJPOWER
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    my2hands said:

    anybody else think Mike Pence is leaking info?

    seems obvious to me

    Lol, it actually does make a lot of sense!
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I would love to see President Trump go head to head w/ a few of you on AMT.
    Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia? The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy. Very un-American!

    But he has no problem with a foreign government hacking his political opponents and making their emails public. Waaaaaaaa, all I can do is tweet. With my small, small, sad hands. So sad!!
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  • ledvedderman
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I would love to see President Trump go head to head w/ a few of you on AMT.
    Crimea was TAKEN by Russia during the Obama Administration. Was Obama too soft on Russia? The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by "intelligence" like candy. Very un-American!

    That is a major false equivalencey in regard to Crimea. Bigly.
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  • Jason P
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    my2hands said:

    anybody else think Mike Pence is leaking info?

    seems obvious to me

    He seems to be the most competent of the group. I don't think he is leaking. Remember, he is the only true politician.
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  • Jason P
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    Team Trump, per reports, was made aware of the Flynn issue several weeks ago, yet seems to have not hatched a plan to downplay the events in that time frame. Odd.
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  • my2hands
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    Jason P said:

    my2hands said:

    anybody else think Mike Pence is leaking info?

    seems obvious to me

    He seems to be the most competent of the group. I don't think he is leaking. Remember, he is the only true politician.
    that's exactly why he is leaking...

    Trump is the outsider... Pence is the insider... there is no question the republican establishment knows that Trump is a disaster that should have never gotten near the Oval Office... he hurts their chances of getting anything accomplished at this point and its only going to get worse... they also know he is likely going to kill their chances in 2018 & 2020... they ALL hate him and let it be known in the primary season... so they are going to take his ass out and Pence will be installed... and don't think for 1 second that Pence isn't in on it... I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the writing is on the wall
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
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    This won is especially four you HesCalledDyer http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/perspective-the-trump-administration-has-a-spelling-problem-but-how-bad-is-it-really-we-investigate/ar-AAmY95u?li=AAggv0m&ocid=mailsignout
    :lol:
  • ledvedderman
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    my2hands said:



    Jason P said:

    my2hands said:

    anybody else think Mike Pence is leaking info?

    seems obvious to me

    He seems to be the most competent of the group. I don't think he is leaking. Remember, he is the only true politician.
    that's exactly why he is leaking...

    Trump is the outsider... Pence is the insider... there is no question the republican establishment knows that Trump is a disaster that should have never gotten near the Oval Office... he hurts their chances of getting anything accomplished at this point and its only going to get worse... they also know he is likely going to kill their chances in 2018 & 2020... they ALL hate him and let it be known in the primary season... so they are going to take his ass out and Pence will be installed... and don't think for 1 second that Pence isn't in on it... I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the writing is on the wall
    I don't know if that's totally true. First time voters/ Trump voters carried many of the GOP congressmen to victory last year. If there's one thing folks in DC are loyal to, it's someone who drives their numbers up and keeps them in power for a couple more years. Some in the GOP are intelligent enough to ignore that on the fact that there's no way Trump can produce numbers again like he did in 2016. But some are still completely oblivious to it and will be loyal until the end.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    A goof. A complete idiot. And an exceptionally unfit, unhealthy, and greasy guy.

    If his supporters aren't completely embarrassed at this point... they're too simple to realize they should be embarrassed.

    The ship is sinking and rats are fleeing. This is proving to be a landmark event. Hopefully, something positive can come from it when the US sheds its scabs and rebounds from such a debacle.

    Has there been a more tumultuous time in our era for that country?
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    my2hands said:



    Jason P said:

    my2hands said:

    anybody else think Mike Pence is leaking info?

    seems obvious to me

    He seems to be the most competent of the group. I don't think he is leaking. Remember, he is the only true politician.
    that's exactly why he is leaking...

    Trump is the outsider... Pence is the insider... there is no question the republican establishment knows that Trump is a disaster that should have never gotten near the Oval Office... he hurts their chances of getting anything accomplished at this point and its only going to get worse... they also know he is likely going to kill their chances in 2018 & 2020... they ALL hate him and let it be known in the primary season... so they are going to take his ass out and Pence will be installed... and don't think for 1 second that Pence isn't in on it... I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the writing is on the wall
    I have assumed that the Republicans have been formulating plans to use Trump as a patsy all along. I doubt they would stand behind him or fight for him very hard if he was impeached. He got the Republicans back in control, but loyalty to him is probably pretty thin. Pence is in a win win situation where he may be viewed as the "savior" to the Trump mess if it came down to it and if the liberal tears kept flowing, it would only be seen as the usual partisan crying. It's a pretty solid political strategy...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJPOWER said:

    my2hands said:



    Jason P said:

    my2hands said:

    anybody else think Mike Pence is leaking info?

    seems obvious to me

    He seems to be the most competent of the group. I don't think he is leaking. Remember, he is the only true politician.
    that's exactly why he is leaking...

    Trump is the outsider... Pence is the insider... there is no question the republican establishment knows that Trump is a disaster that should have never gotten near the Oval Office... he hurts their chances of getting anything accomplished at this point and its only going to get worse... they also know he is likely going to kill their chances in 2018 & 2020... they ALL hate him and let it be known in the primary season... so they are going to take his ass out and Pence will be installed... and don't think for 1 second that Pence isn't in on it... I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the writing is on the wall
    I have assumed that the Republicans have been formulating plans to use Trump as a patsy all along. I doubt they would stand behind him or fight for him very hard if he was impeached. He got the Republicans back in control, but loyalty to him is probably pretty thin. Pence is in a win win situation where he may be viewed as the "savior" to the Trump mess if it came down to it and if the liberal tears kept flowing, it would only be seen as the usual partisan crying. It's a pretty solid political strategy...
    Those tears shouldn't be partisan.
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