Should Betsy DeVos be confirmed as Secretary of Education?
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I don't currently but if I did they won't be going to public government schools.Free said:unsung said:Boom!
HR899 has just been introduced to eliminated the Federal Dept of Education!
The Bill is one sentence long.
There, no Dept, no jobs for Betsy. Happy?
Clearly again, you have no kids in public schools. And you have no developmentally disabled kids in public schools. We have federally mandated programs that allow them a fair treatment and education (FAPE, IDEA). That DeVos knows nothing about. But that's OK because she's gonna be busy funneling money from public school funding to her private charter schools that are failing, because there are no regulations. Why not? She's making out big-time here Financially, and that's all she and her family care about.unsung said:Boom!
HR899 has just been introduced to eliminated the Federal Dept of Education!
The Bill is one sentence long.
There, no Dept, no jobs for Betsy. Happy?
My choice is that and I don't tell anyone what they should do with their children.0 -
Nobenjs said:
I may not show it here enough, but I'm still human - I love to laugh. Saw Louis CK last week with my girlfriend and we were both in stitches.
benjs said: I may not show it here enough, but I'm still human - I love to laugh. Saw Louis CK last week with my girlfriend and we were both in stitches.
Have you seen the show Baskets? I forget what station it's on but has Zach Galifinakas in a dual role and Louie Anderson as a woman.0 -
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This. WTF. If you're not willing to work with parents or the law in regard to our children who need services? Then leave teaching because you're doing no one favors, but yourself.what dreams said:
Thanks for asking. I have mixed feelings.my2hands said:I know there are some people in here that work in the education field, I know at least 1 is a teacher. First I would like to thank you, you are appreciated.
What ate your thoughts on Devos?
I don't support the use of federal money for private vouchers without holding those private institutions accountable to the same federal mandates. Besides not liking billionaires who buy their Cabinet appointments, that's my only issue with her.
Overall I do agree with her in supporting local control of school decision making, even if that means the kids in Montana can bring their guns to school to kill grizzlies. Who am I to question from afar what they want for their kids and community? What the hell do we think the best private schools in America do? The best ones are the best because the teachers themselves write the curriculum, and they answer to their own board of directors in allocating their resources.
As for all the IDEA hysteria -- talk about gross over-regulation paralyzing the productivity of the workforce-- translate -- keeping good teachers from helping kids. Honestly, I don't even refer kids to special ed anymore. If I suspect a kid has a learning disability, I help the kid on my own and leave the fucking federal government out of it. I haven't seen a single special educator do anything special that I can't do myself to help an LD child learn. IDEA is a joke in so many ways, but I'll leave it there. I don't want my post to be mile long
So, as with every other cabinet member, we'll just have to watch and see. Ironically, I've just about had it with public education myself, so when DeVos says it sucks -- she's right. I'm so sick of being told to do shit that at best, does not help students, and at worst, actually harms them. If we're lucky, she will shake things up for the better.0 -
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would you object if the history/facts of religion were taught, as opposed to preaching it?unsung said:
Yes.benjs said:
unsung, have you ever studied any religions? As an atheist at a Jewish day school, I found it fascinating even though I disagreed with much/most of what I was taught. I would never in a million years condone the way it was taught to me, but later in life I found other opportunities to learn about religions that opened my mind to the place that many base their concepts of morality on.unsung said:
Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.Go Beavers said:
I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!unsung said:
Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.Go Beavers said:
If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.unsung said:
In what way?Go Beavers said:Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!
It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
Not only do I think that teaching of religion is a positive thing, but I think encouraging students to study a religion that isn't their own would be an immensely effective way to teach empathy and combat divisiveness.
I just don't want it taught in school.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
How do you deal with the atheists?HughFreakingDillon said:
would you object if the history/facts of religion were taught, as opposed to preaching it?unsung said:
Yes.benjs said:
unsung, have you ever studied any religions? As an atheist at a Jewish day school, I found it fascinating even though I disagreed with much/most of what I was taught. I would never in a million years condone the way it was taught to me, but later in life I found other opportunities to learn about religions that opened my mind to the place that many base their concepts of morality on.unsung said:
Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.Go Beavers said:
I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!unsung said:
Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.Go Beavers said:
If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.unsung said:
In what way?Go Beavers said:Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!
It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
Not only do I think that teaching of religion is a positive thing, but I think encouraging students to study a religion that isn't their own would be an immensely effective way to teach empathy and combat divisiveness.
I just don't want it taught in school.0 -
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"There are also some people who do not believe in God. They're called atheists. Moving on..."unsung said:
How do you deal with the atheists?HughFreakingDillon said:
would you object if the history/facts of religion were taught, as opposed to preaching it?unsung said:
Yes.benjs said:
unsung, have you ever studied any religions? As an atheist at a Jewish day school, I found it fascinating even though I disagreed with much/most of what I was taught. I would never in a million years condone the way it was taught to me, but later in life I found other opportunities to learn about religions that opened my mind to the place that many base their concepts of morality on.unsung said:
Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.Go Beavers said:
I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!unsung said:
Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.Go Beavers said:
If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.unsung said:
In what way?Go Beavers said:Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!
It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
Not only do I think that teaching of religion is a positive thing, but I think encouraging students to study a religion that isn't their own would be an immensely effective way to teach empathy and combat divisiveness.
I just don't want it taught in school.
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there's already a class for that: it's called science.unsung said:
How do you deal with the atheists?HughFreakingDillon said:
would you object if the history/facts of religion were taught, as opposed to preaching it?unsung said:
Yes.benjs said:
unsung, have you ever studied any religions? As an atheist at a Jewish day school, I found it fascinating even though I disagreed with much/most of what I was taught. I would never in a million years condone the way it was taught to me, but later in life I found other opportunities to learn about religions that opened my mind to the place that many base their concepts of morality on.unsung said:
Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.Go Beavers said:
I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!unsung said:
Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.Go Beavers said:
If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.unsung said:
In what way?Go Beavers said:Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!
It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
Not only do I think that teaching of religion is a positive thing, but I think encouraging students to study a religion that isn't their own would be an immensely effective way to teach empathy and combat divisiveness.
I just don't want it taught in school.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487So do you force them to attend your religion class?0
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You "deal with" the atheists by promoting the pluralistic nature of belief. Whether you believe in a deity, and no matter what messages your deity/deities broadcast, there is value in understanding others' belief systems, where they originate, and how theirs can coexist with yours. You simply can't tell the story of modern history without mentioning religion's role in it, and it's also where most of our concepts of morality come from. Having been a contrarian for much of my life, religion has also been a fantastic launchpad for breeding curiosity, critical thought, and debate skills.unsung said:
How do you deal with the atheists?HughFreakingDillon said:
would you object if the history/facts of religion were taught, as opposed to preaching it?unsung said:
Yes.benjs said:
unsung, have you ever studied any religions? As an atheist at a Jewish day school, I found it fascinating even though I disagreed with much/most of what I was taught. I would never in a million years condone the way it was taught to me, but later in life I found other opportunities to learn about religions that opened my mind to the place that many base their concepts of morality on.unsung said:
Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.Go Beavers said:
I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!unsung said:
Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.Go Beavers said:
If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.unsung said:
In what way?Go Beavers said:Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!
It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
Not only do I think that teaching of religion is a positive thing, but I think encouraging students to study a religion that isn't their own would be an immensely effective way to teach empathy and combat divisiveness.
I just don't want it taught in school.
Edit: And as far as atheism goes, maybe the history of the dissent of religion should be an option too.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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it would all be under the umbrella of history. again, this wouldn't be preaching. it would be teaching facts.unsung said:So do you force them to attend your religion class?
and no, I don't think you force anyone to take any type of class like that. I would think it should be an elective, and I don't think it's appropriate at an elementary school level, possibly not even a high school level. maybe some fundamentals at those ages, but not the nitty gritty.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I disagree that teaching comparative religions as part of history isn't appropriate for public school years. My daughter had similar teaching in middle school and really enjoyed it. She hoped her high school would have a more in depth course, but alas not at the moment. I know I had instruction in this in high school.
And I'm an atheist and have no problem learning about various religions. Having an objection to that seems about as logical as saying I don't want to learn about any European counties because I'm Canadian.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I'm jealous of how few words you use to convey ideas so effectively. I wish I could master that!oftenreading said:I disagree that teaching comparative religions as part of history isn't appropriate for public school years. My daughter had similar teaching in middle school and really enjoyed it. She hoped her high school would have a more in depth course, but alas not at the moment. I know I had instruction in this in high school.
And I'm an atheist and have no problem learning about various religions. Having an objection to that seems about as logical as saying I don't want to learn about any European counties because I'm Canadian.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 10 -
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I just meant in the context of how deep you go into the gory detail of religion, and what is appropriate at what age. some of it is really fucked up, and I don't know that I'd really want my 10 year old learning about some of the shit they gloss over in the bible for sunday school purposes.oftenreading said:I disagree that teaching comparative religions as part of history isn't appropriate for public school years. My daughter had similar teaching in middle school and really enjoyed it. She hoped her high school would have a more in depth course, but alas not at the moment. I know I had instruction in this in high school.
And I'm an atheist and have no problem learning about various religions. Having an objection to that seems about as logical as saying I don't want to learn about any European counties because I'm Canadian.
I think, on the other hand, it could be incredibly beneficial for the reasons others have stated; learning empathy for others' beliefs at a young age is invaluable to a society that is so torn apart for no other reason than ignorance and fear.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
This is my early favorite for post of the yearHughFreakingDillon said:
there's already a class for that: it's called science.unsung said:
How do you deal with the atheists?HughFreakingDillon said:
would you object if the history/facts of religion were taught, as opposed to preaching it?unsung said:
Yes.benjs said:
unsung, have you ever studied any religions? As an atheist at a Jewish day school, I found it fascinating even though I disagreed with much/most of what I was taught. I would never in a million years condone the way it was taught to me, but later in life I found other opportunities to learn about religions that opened my mind to the place that many base their concepts of morality on.unsung said:
Well I am not touching the God on side thing but I believe there should be a separation, but it must be for all religions. You can pray, you just can't do it on school property. I would be against teaching of any religion and that includes Islam. Nothing allowed on any of it.Go Beavers said:
I hope it's far fetched, but I'm guessing first up will be school sanctioned "prayer time", incorporating creationism in the curriculum, and Bible based values and mission statements for schools. The fundamentalist have been preparing and waiting for this. They see it as their prayers being answered. And hey, you can't be wrong if God is on your side!unsung said:
Well it seems like a far fetched chance that would happen, at least to me. But I could get on board with keeping religion out of public education. But only if it was all religion, not just Christianity.Go Beavers said:
If you know any Christian fundamentalists, they have been quietly excited about trump being president, and of course many voted for him. They're excited, not because they see him as some sort of religious guy, but because they see his policies as a way of facilitating some sort of Christian uprising and God being able to make a presence on earth like never before. It's hard to describe as an outsider, and the fundamentalists are intentionally vague about it, but they are definately excited. It ties into trump's isolationalism and anti- globalism, and also less federal gov involvement in local/state affairs. They see these things as an enemy to their religion somehow. They are also strongly anti-Muslim. They see local control of schools as opening the door to having Christianity in the classroom and will push this through different "religious freedom" policies. You'll see much more of this being pushed very soon. Pence is totally on board with this stuff, and he's the fundamentalist main guy.unsung said:
In what way?Go Beavers said:Jesus will be coming to a public school near you!
It's hard to watch individuals who believe this talk about it, because they're very passive aggressive. They claim to filled with the love of Jesus, but they're full bore buying into fear oriented beliefs where they're engaged in some mythological struggle of Christianity against everything else. They'll support policies that discriminate and will limit others freedoms because they think they're entitled by God. At the same time, they think they're doing good.
Not only do I think that teaching of religion is a positive thing, but I think encouraging students to study a religion that isn't their own would be an immensely effective way to teach empathy and combat divisiveness.
I just don't want it taught in school.0 -
Dude, everytime I go to my sped department, they send me back and say "you haven't done your job." IDEA got an overhaul in 2004 -- in large part due to the over-diagnosis of minorities and students in poverty -- and since then, it's been a nightmare to get kids extra help from special ed. To even start the special ed process now, I have to document every single time I wipe a child''s ass for him. I don't have time for the paperwork, and they don't want to see the kids on their docket. It's fucked.a5pj said:
Well, not to get into a huge debate about special ed and it's effectiveness, but not referring students who you believe have a disability is going directly against child find. You could easily be opening yourself up to a lawsuit. You may be keeping the student from getting accommodations and protections that they need to learn and grow at the same rate as other "normal" students. There's a lot more to it than just going to see a special ed teacher, which I hope you know.what dreams said:
As for all the IDEA hysteria -- talk about gross over-regulation paralyzing the productivity of the workforce-- translate -- keeping good teachers from helping kids. Honestly, I don't even refer kids to special ed anymore. If I suspect a kid has a learning disability, I help the kid on my own and leave the fucking federal government out of it. I haven't seen a single special educator do anything special that I can't do myself to help an LD child learn. IDEA is a joke in so many ways, but I'll leave it there. I don't want my post to be mile longmy2hands said:I know there are some people in here that work in the education field, I know at least 1 is a teacher. First I would like to thank you, you are appreciated.
What ate your thoughts on Devos?
I think it's awesome you are going above and beyond to help students who you think might have a disability, most don't, I wish more would. But it might be worth having a discussion with your school psychologist or director of special ed about your process.0 -
Never said I didn't work with parents. I work with parents. Had a kid with obvious dyslexia -- parent knew the kid had dyslexia, I knew the kid had dyslexia. Guess what? The fucking school division/government doesn't recognize dyslexia as a learning disorder. So guess who stayed after school to work overtime helping the kid, with the parent's consent but also without the federal government's?Free said:
This. WTF. If you're not willing to work with parents or the law in regard to our children who need services? Then leave teaching because you're doing no one favors, but yourself.what dreams said:
Thanks for asking. I have mixed feelings.my2hands said:I know there are some people in here that work in the education field, I know at least 1 is a teacher. First I would like to thank you, you are appreciated.
What ate your thoughts on Devos?
I don't support the use of federal money for private vouchers without holding those private institutions accountable to the same federal mandates. Besides not liking billionaires who buy their Cabinet appointments, that's my only issue with her.
Overall I do agree with her in supporting local control of school decision making, even if that means the kids in Montana can bring their guns to school to kill grizzlies. Who am I to question from afar what they want for their kids and community? What the hell do we think the best private schools in America do? The best ones are the best because the teachers themselves write the curriculum, and they answer to their own board of directors in allocating their resources.
As for all the IDEA hysteria -- talk about gross over-regulation paralyzing the productivity of the workforce-- translate -- keeping good teachers from helping kids. Honestly, I don't even refer kids to special ed anymore. If I suspect a kid has a learning disability, I help the kid on my own and leave the fucking federal government out of it. I haven't seen a single special educator do anything special that I can't do myself to help an LD child learn. IDEA is a joke in so many ways, but I'll leave it there. I don't want my post to be mile long
So, as with every other cabinet member, we'll just have to watch and see. Ironically, I've just about had it with public education myself, so when DeVos says it sucks -- she's right. I'm so sick of being told to do shit that at best, does not help students, and at worst, actually harms them. If we're lucky, she will shake things up for the better.
Fuck you and your judgmental bullshit. Don't you have a special needs child at home? Maybe you should get off the forum and tend to your own child.Post edited by what dreams on0 -
I'm just naturally unfriendly.benjs said:
I'm jealous of how few words you use to convey ideas so effectively. I wish I could master that!oftenreading said:I disagree that teaching comparative religions as part of history isn't appropriate for public school years. My daughter had similar teaching in middle school and really enjoyed it. She hoped her high school would have a more in depth course, but alas not at the moment. I know I had instruction in this in high school.
And I'm an atheist and have no problem learning about various religions. Having an objection to that seems about as logical as saying I don't want to learn about any European counties because I'm Canadian.
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Jeez, lighten up. Do you want the government involved or not? Good teachers work with kids to meet their individual needs, as I'm sure you know. Sometimes teachers need to access more resources, and sometimes they don't.what dreams said:
Never said I didn't work with parents. I work with parents. Had a kid with obvious dyslexia -- parent knew the kid had dyslexia, I knew the kid had dyslexia. Guess what? The fucking school division/government doesn't recognize dyslexia as a learning disorder. So guess who stayed after school to work overtime helping the kid, with the parent's consent but also without the federal government's?Free said:
This. WTF. If you're not willing to work with parents or the law in regard to our children who need services? Then leave teaching because you're doing no one favors, but yourself.what dreams said:
Thanks for asking. I have mixed feelings.my2hands said:I know there are some people in here that work in the education field, I know at least 1 is a teacher. First I would like to thank you, you are appreciated.
What ate your thoughts on Devos?
I don't support the use of federal money for private vouchers without holding those private institutions accountable to the same federal mandates. Besides not liking billionaires who buy their Cabinet appointments, that's my only issue with her.
Overall I do agree with her in supporting local control of school decision making, even if that means the kids in Montana can bring their guns to school to kill grizzlies. Who am I to question from afar what they want for their kids and community? What the hell do we think the best private schools in America do? The best ones are the best because the teachers themselves write the curriculum, and they answer to their own board of directors in allocating their resources.
As for all the IDEA hysteria -- talk about gross over-regulation paralyzing the productivity of the workforce-- translate -- keeping good teachers from helping kids. Honestly, I don't even refer kids to special ed anymore. If I suspect a kid has a learning disability, I help the kid on my own and leave the fucking federal government out of it. I haven't seen a single special educator do anything special that I can't do myself to help an LD child learn. IDEA is a joke in so many ways, but I'll leave it there. I don't want my post to be mile long
So, as with every other cabinet member, we'll just have to watch and see. Ironically, I've just about had it with public education myself, so when DeVos says it sucks -- she's right. I'm so sick of being told to do shit that at best, does not help students, and at worst, actually harms them. If we're lucky, she will shake things up for the better.
Fuck you and your judgmental bullshit. Don't you have a special needs child at home? Maybe you should get off the forum and tend to your own child.0 -
Nodreams...you might want to edit your post asap. grounds for getting banned.0
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ohhhh yea.....defiantly a banning offence, I've been banned for less.what dreams said:
Never said I didn't work with parents. I work with parents. Had a kid with obvious dyslexia -- parent knew the kid had dyslexia, I knew the kid had dyslexia. Guess what? The fucking school division/government doesn't recognize dyslexia as a learning disorder. So guess who stayed after school to work overtime helping the kid, with the parent's consent but also without the federal government's?Free said:
This. WTF. If you're not willing to work with parents or the law in regard to our children who need services? Then leave teaching because you're doing no one favors, but yourself.what dreams said:
Thanks for asking. I have mixed feelings.my2hands said:I know there are some people in here that work in the education field, I know at least 1 is a teacher. First I would like to thank you, you are appreciated.
What ate your thoughts on Devos?
I don't support the use of federal money for private vouchers without holding those private institutions accountable to the same federal mandates. Besides not liking billionaires who buy their Cabinet appointments, that's my only issue with her.
Overall I do agree with her in supporting local control of school decision making, even if that means the kids in Montana can bring their guns to school to kill grizzlies. Who am I to question from afar what they want for their kids and community? What the hell do we think the best private schools in America do? The best ones are the best because the teachers themselves write the curriculum, and they answer to their own board of directors in allocating their resources.
As for all the IDEA hysteria -- talk about gross over-regulation paralyzing the productivity of the workforce-- translate -- keeping good teachers from helping kids. Honestly, I don't even refer kids to special ed anymore. If I suspect a kid has a learning disability, I help the kid on my own and leave the fucking federal government out of it. I haven't seen a single special educator do anything special that I can't do myself to help an LD child learn. IDEA is a joke in so many ways, but I'll leave it there. I don't want my post to be mile long
So, as with every other cabinet member, we'll just have to watch and see. Ironically, I've just about had it with public education myself, so when DeVos says it sucks -- she's right. I'm so sick of being told to do shit that at best, does not help students, and at worst, actually harms them. If we're lucky, she will shake things up for the better.
Fuck you and your judgmental bullshit. Don't you have a special needs child at home? Maybe you should get off the forum and tend to your own child.
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