Canadian Politics Redux
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How's that? What could Liberals have done about someone deciding to run for the Conservative leadership?polaris_x said:liberals could have ensured we would never see an ahole conservative PM ever again ... but as usual - they punted it ...
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
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You think that would have guaranteed that no Conservative leader ever became PM again or kept O'Leary from the Conservative leadership?dignin said:With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
thanks dignin for representing during my absence ...PJ_Soul said:
You think that would have guaranteed that no Conservative leader ever became PM again or kept O'Leary from the Conservative leadership?dignin said:
I specifically put asshole conservative PM because I do think there can be a shift to a moderate Conservative party in the future which wouldn't preclude it from winning an election under any format ...
i do think if the liberals went ahead with some form of proportional representation, which the all party committee recommended, it would prevent a person like O'leary or even a Harper from ever becoming PM ... the only way Harper was PM for so long was due to vote splitting amongst the centre and left parties ... that would essentially be negated under a new voting system ...0 -
I dunno, maybe. I would at least like to give Canadians that much credit.polaris_x said:
thanks dignin for representing during my absence ...PJ_Soul said:
You think that would have guaranteed that no Conservative leader ever became PM again or kept O'Leary from the Conservative leadership?dignin said:
I specifically put asshole conservative PM because I do think there can be a shift to a moderate Conservative party in the future which wouldn't preclude it from winning an election under any format ...
i do think if the liberals went ahead with some form of proportional representation, which the all party committee recommended, it would prevent a person like O'leary or even a Harper from ever becoming PM ... the only way Harper was PM for so long was due to vote splitting amongst the centre and left parties ... that would essentially be negated under a new voting system ...
I do support electoral reform... It wasn't one of my huge issues during the election, but I do support it. BC actually had a referendum for provincial electoral reform at one point in the 2000s, but it failed - the BC citizens narrowly voted against it. Though, there were some valid concerns that it failed because they way the fucking Liberal government worded it and campaigned against it made it too complicated for a lot of people to even really understand. Meanwhile, the yes side did a poor job of simplifying and clarifying. With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
same thing happened in ontario re: electoral reform referendumPJ_Soul said:
I dunno, maybe. I would at least like to give Canadians that much credit.polaris_x said:
thanks dignin for representing during my absence ...PJ_Soul said:
You think that would have guaranteed that no Conservative leader ever became PM again or kept O'Leary from the Conservative leadership?dignin said:
I specifically put asshole conservative PM because I do think there can be a shift to a moderate Conservative party in the future which wouldn't preclude it from winning an election under any format ...
i do think if the liberals went ahead with some form of proportional representation, which the all party committee recommended, it would prevent a person like O'leary or even a Harper from ever becoming PM ... the only way Harper was PM for so long was due to vote splitting amongst the centre and left parties ... that would essentially be negated under a new voting system ... I do support electoral reform... It wasn't one of my huge issues during the election, but I do support it. BC actually had a referendum for provincial electoral reform at one point in the 2000s, but it failed - the BC citizens narrowly voted against it. Though, there were some valid concerns that it failed because they way the fucking Liberal government worded it and campaigned against it made it too complicated for a lot of people to even really understand. Meanwhile, the yes side did a poor job of simplifying and clarifying.
similar to the US - there is like 30% of the population who will always vote conservative regardless of who's name is on the ballot ... under our current voting system - it means someone like O'Leary will always have a chance ... especially if disenfranchisement with Liberals continues ...0 -
And Li is free!
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/7124489-freedom-granted-to-man-who-beheaded-passenger-on-greyhound-bus/"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Yup. Well, let's just hope someone is making sure he stays on his meds for the rest of his life. Good luck to him.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.0 -
I'm actually speechless. Some are going to say Canada rocks and this is great news. I don't like this.
Here's the next guy to get a full release:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/7124489-freedom-granted-to-man-who-beheaded-passenger-on-greyhound-bus/
To this point in time, he hasn't been a model patient. Soon though, he'll do the right things and we can grant him a full release too. I realize he killed his three children and that's pretty awful, but I'm not so sure it's worse than beheading, mutilating, and cannibalizing some random guy you've know for 3 seconds on a bus.
And I have to say it: the voice was telling him to kill McLean. Was it telling him to cut him to pieces, eat him, place chunks of him in his pockets, and basically bask in the blood?
This is dumb."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
hahaha... what a joke.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.0 -
i feel for sensible Canadians like yourself 30. the apathy toward scum like this ridiculous.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:I'm actually speechless. Some are going to say Canada rocks and this is great news. I don't like this.
Here's the next guy to get a full release:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/7124489-freedom-granted-to-man-who-beheaded-passenger-on-greyhound-bus/
To this point in time, he hasn't been a model patient. Soon though, he'll do the right things and we can grant him a full release too. I realize he killed his three children and that's pretty awful, but I'm not so sure it's worse than beheading, mutilating, and cannibalizing some random guy you've know for 3 seconds on a bus.
And I have to say it: the voice was telling him to kill McLean. Was it telling him to cut him to pieces, eat him, place chunks of him in his pockets, and basically bask in the blood?
This is dumb.0 -
I've asked myself this question.PJ_Soul said:
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.
Have you?
edit - And to clarify I meant the original question. Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on0 -
It's nonsense for sure.rustneversleeps said:
i feel for sensible Canadians like yourself 30. the apathy toward scum like this ridiculous.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:I'm actually speechless. Some are going to say Canada rocks and this is great news. I don't like this.
Here's the next guy to get a full release:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/7124489-freedom-granted-to-man-who-beheaded-passenger-on-greyhound-bus/
To this point in time, he hasn't been a model patient. Soon though, he'll do the right things and we can grant him a full release too. I realize he killed his three children and that's pretty awful, but I'm not so sure it's worse than beheading, mutilating, and cannibalizing some random guy you've know for 3 seconds on a bus.
And I have to say it: the voice was telling him to kill McLean. Was it telling him to cut him to pieces, eat him, place chunks of him in his pockets, and basically bask in the blood?
This is dumb.
I don't think I would describe the prevailing sentiment as apathetic as much as I would describe it as... I don't even know what term to use.
It's pure nonsense.
The second case I submitted was a case in my area. The f**king idiot father killed his kids in grotesque fashion because he was mad at his ex. He fled into the mountain and a trapper found him. I wished he'd have shot him.
If he had... he'd have saved us the very painful moments reading about him ruled not criminally responsible because he was mentally ill (yah... bullshit), day outings, the looming release date and various other things that have the majority of us saying, "What the f**k, man?""My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Yes, sure, at the moment. I know he's fine right now. I am not scared of schizophrenics who are being properly treated and aren't delusional. I would sit beside him and ask him about the whole thing - I'd be curious to know more about how he's feeling, how someone copes with such a situation (not that I would expect him to be happy to discuss it, lol).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
I've asked myself this question.PJ_Soul said:
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.
Have you?
edit - And to clarify I meant the original question. Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I already said, someone needs to closely monitor him to ensure that he is taking his meds as prescribed and that he's not having breaks from reality. Always. If that is being done, I don't have concerns. If it's not, I do.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
the 2nd paragraph of the article says he will no longer be monitored.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sure, at the moment. I know he's fine right now. I am not scared of schizophrenics who are being properly treated and aren't delusional. I would sit beside him and ask him about the whole thing - I'd be curious to know more about how he's feeling, how someone copes with such a situation (not that I would expect him to be happy to discuss it, lol).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
I've asked myself this question.PJ_Soul said:
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.
Have you?
edit - And to clarify I meant the original question. Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I already said, someone needs to closely monitor him to ensure that he is taking his meds as prescribed and that he's not having breaks from reality. Always. If that is being done, I don't have concerns. If it's not, I do.
with all due respect, how on earth do you KNOW he is fine right now? that seems absurd to say. because he changed his name and is on a pharmy cocktail?
who really gives a shit how he copes? you believe he should be treated like a victim?
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He will no longer be monitored by the Review Board system. That's not the same thing as no longer being monitored at all, although I agree the article didn't explain that.rustneversleeps said:
the 2nd paragraph of the article says he will no longer be monitored.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sure, at the moment. I know he's fine right now. I am not scared of schizophrenics who are being properly treated and aren't delusional. I would sit beside him and ask him about the whole thing - I'd be curious to know more about how he's feeling, how someone copes with such a situation (not that I would expect him to be happy to discuss it, lol).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
I've asked myself this question.PJ_Soul said:
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.
Have you?
edit - And to clarify I meant the original question. Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I already said, someone needs to closely monitor him to ensure that he is taking his meds as prescribed and that he's not having breaks from reality. Always. If that is being done, I don't have concerns. If it's not, I do.
with all due respect, how on earth do you KNOW he is fine right now? that seems absurd to say. because he changed his name and is on a pharmy cocktail?
who really gives a shit how he copes? you believe he should be treated like a victim?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
thats good he will still be monitored then at least. who is responsible for that now? its amazing his past actions arent considered clear evidence of a significant risk. if the supreme court felt his first mutilation was clear evidence that he could again be a significant risk, he wouldnt have been granted his freedom. if i read that 1999 ruling right. how are they so sure this person is fixed?oftenreading said:
He will no longer be monitored by the Review Board system. That's not the same thing as no longer being monitored at all, although I agree the article didn't explain that.rustneversleeps said:
the 2nd paragraph of the article says he will no longer be monitored.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sure, at the moment. I know he's fine right now. I am not scared of schizophrenics who are being properly treated and aren't delusional. I would sit beside him and ask him about the whole thing - I'd be curious to know more about how he's feeling, how someone copes with such a situation (not that I would expect him to be happy to discuss it, lol).PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
I've asked myself this question.PJ_Soul said:
Why are you being so snarky about it? Geez.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Now now TB.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
His name is Will Baker.
He is all cured up now and deserves a second chance at life.
Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I hope everyone asks themselves this question.
Have you?
edit - And to clarify I meant the original question. Will you volunteer to sit beside him on a bus to test his mental state?
I already said, someone needs to closely monitor him to ensure that he is taking his meds as prescribed and that he's not having breaks from reality. Always. If that is being done, I don't have concerns. If it's not, I do.
with all due respect, how on earth do you KNOW he is fine right now? that seems absurd to say. because he changed his name and is on a pharmy cocktail?
who really gives a shit how he copes? you believe he should be treated like a victim?0
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