Baseball Hall Of Fame.....

igotid88 · January 2017

mcgruff10 said:
I played baseball into college (D3) until my shoulder gave out and have coached for 12 years. One thing I still don't understand is slugging percentage! What the hell is it? Someone please explain it me.

A single is 1.000. a double is 2.000 triple 3 hr 4

Cliffy6745 · January 2017

Total bases divided by at bats. The more bases you have per at bat the more power you have.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2017

Cliffy6745 said:
Total bases divided by at bats. The more bases you have per at bat the more power you have.

Rod Carew high batting average. Not fantastic slugging.

A homerun and a single count the same in batting average. Not the same in slugging.

Cliffy6745 · January 2017

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Cliffy6745 said:
Total bases divided by at bats. The more bases you have per at bat the more power you have.
Rod Carew high batting average. Not fantastic slugging.

A homerun and a single count the same in batting average. Not the same in slugging.

Exactly. High OBP too. Great hitter, not a ton of power.

igotid88 · January 2017

But if you're a speedster you can stretch singles into doubles and doubles into triples. And even get more infield singles. Thus making it seem you're hitting for power more than someone

HesCalledDyer · January 2017

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Ninetytworules said:

HesCalledDyer said:
Question: If you were to start a brand new Baseball Hall of Fame, who would you elect as the first member?

Me: I'd probably have to go with Al Spalding.
Ricky Henderson on a good team by far the most effective player in history.
MOST effective
By FAR
In HISTORY

I don't know about all that, but he was damn good & exciting to watch and definitely Hall worthy.
What's his WAR?!? lol

mcgruff10 · January 2017

igotid88 said:
But if you're a speedster you can stretch singles into doubles and doubles into triples. And even get more infield singles. Thus making it seem you're hitting for power more than someone

Great point right there.

HesCalledDyer · January 2017

Not a big fan of slugging pct as a measure of power for the very reason igotid88 stated. And conversely, if you're a big guy that can't run as well, many a would-be double will still have you standing on 1B.

Better than fucking WAR, though..

tempo_n_groove · January 2017

HesCalledDyer said:
Not a big fan of slugging pct as a measure of power for the very reason igotid88 stated. And conversely, if you're a big guy that can't run as well, many a would-be double will still have you standing on 1B.

Better than fucking WAR, though..

WAR! Good god! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing, I'll say it again now!

Cliffy6745 · January 2017

igotid88 said:
But if you're a speedster you can stretch singles into doubles and doubles into triples. And even get more infield singles. Thus making it seem you're hitting for power more than someone

That is not sustainable over a career. A half a dozen singles stretched into doubles a season is not going to have that much of an impact on slugging percentage. A base here or there does not really impact slugging, that's kind of the point of it

Cliffy6745 · January 2017

HesCalledDyer said:
Not a big fan of slugging pct as a measure of power for the very reason igotid88 stated. And conversely, if you're a big guy that can't run as well, many a would-be double will still have you standing on 1B.

Better than fucking WAR, though..

Jason giambi had a career slugging percentage of .516 and he is slower than my 10 year old niece

Cliffy6745 · January 2017

I like war a lot in general. You should hope all of your teams give out contracts based on it.

That said, casual fans should be able to look at the triple slash line and tell exactly what a hitter is

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2017

igotid88 said:
But if you're a speedster you can stretch singles into doubles and doubles into triples. And even get more infield singles. Thus making it seem you're hitting for power more than someone

Who cares how the extra bases are earned? Slugging percentage isn't necessarily used to measure the stereotypical big hitter... it's used to measure production. Whether Henderson stretches a gap single into a double... or Luzinski smashes a double off the center field wall... it's all the same with regards to the scorecard.

Cliffy6745 · January 2017

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

igotid88 said:
But if you're a speedster you can stretch singles into doubles and doubles into triples. And even get more infield singles. Thus making it seem you're hitting for power more than someone
Who cares how the extra bases are earned? Slugging percentage isn't necessarily used to measure the stereotypical big hitter... it's used to measure production. Whether Henderson stretches a gap single into a double... or Luzinski smashes a double off the center field wall... it's all the same with regards to the scorecard.

Henderson is another perfect example of how stretching bases doesn't impact slugging. Career .419.

That double off the wall is going to happen a lot more than the single being stretched to a double. Also that double off the wall is a lot more likely to turn into a home run for the big hitter over the singles hitter.

HesCalledDyer · January 2017

Cliffy6745 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

igotid88 said:
But if you're a speedster you can stretch singles into doubles and doubles into triples. And even get more infield singles. Thus making it seem you're hitting for power more than someone
Who cares how the extra bases are earned? Slugging percentage isn't necessarily used to measure the stereotypical big hitter... it's used to measure production. Whether Henderson stretches a gap single into a double... or Luzinski smashes a double off the center field wall... it's all the same with regards to the scorecard.
Henderson is another perfect example of how stretching bases doesn't impact slugging. Career .419.

That double off the wall is going to happen a lot more than the single being stretched to a double. Also that double off the wall is a lot more likely to turn into a home run for the big hitter over the singles hitter.

All good points, really.

tempo_n_groove · January 2017

Cliffy6745 said:
I like war a lot in general. You should hope all of your teams give out contracts based on it.

That said, casual fans should be able to look at the triple slash line and tell exactly what a hitter is

I've always been a fan of runs, walks and SB's. That person that gets on before the big hitter is a HUGE part of him getting those numbers.

HesCalledDyer · January 2017

Cliffy6745 said:
I like war a lot in general. You should hope all of your teams give out contracts based on it.

That said, casual fans should be able to look at the triple slash line and tell exactly what a hitter is

WAR is only a theory, not a statistic. It's not even a unified theory as different sources use different methods of calculation. I have no problem using it to scout players and make decisions on signing them, but to base their contract from it alone is silly. To give awards and have it be the only metric you use is silly (see: any Jeff Passan article about Mike Trout).

Simply put, there is NO WAY you can measure a player and say "if we replaced Kris Bryant with Miguel Sano, the Cubs would lose 7 more games." You CAN'T do it.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2017

HesCalledDyer said:

Cliffy6745 said:
I like war a lot in general. You should hope all of your teams give out contracts based on it.

That said, casual fans should be able to look at the triple slash line and tell exactly what a hitter is
WAR is only a theory, not a statistic. It's not even a unified theory as different sources use different methods of calculation. I have no problem using it to scout players and make decisions on signing them, but to base their contract from it alone is silly. To give awards and have it be the only metric you use is silly (see: any Jeff Passan article about Mike Trout).

Simply put, there is NO WAY you can measure a player and say "if we replaced Kris Bryant with Miguel Sano, the Cubs would lose 7 more games." You CAN'T do it.

Despite not fully understanding the 'formula' to generate the statistic... I'm very skeptical of it as well. There are so many variables that are unaccounted for.

tempo_n_groove · January 2017

HesCalledDyer said:

Cliffy6745 said:
I like war a lot in general. You should hope all of your teams give out contracts based on it.

That said, casual fans should be able to look at the triple slash line and tell exactly what a hitter is
WAR is only a theory, not a statistic. It's not even a unified theory as different sources use different methods of calculation. I have no problem using it to scout players and make decisions on signing them, but to base their contract from it alone is silly. To give awards and have it be the only metric you use is silly (see: any Jeff Passan article about Mike Trout).

Simply put, there is NO WAY you can measure a player and say "if we replaced Kris Bryant with Miguel Sano, the Cubs would lose 7 more games." You CAN'T do it.

It IS a formula that has been working. Watch Money Ball. Redsox, A's and Cubs have been models of this so far.

HesCalledDyer · January 2017

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Cliffy6745 said:
I like war a lot in general. You should hope all of your teams give out contracts based on it.

That said, casual fans should be able to look at the triple slash line and tell exactly what a hitter is
WAR is only a theory, not a statistic. It's not even a unified theory as different sources use different methods of calculation. I have no problem using it to scout players and make decisions on signing them, but to base their contract from it alone is silly. To give awards and have it be the only metric you use is silly (see: any Jeff Passan article about Mike Trout).

Simply put, there is NO WAY you can measure a player and say "if we replaced Kris Bryant with Miguel Sano, the Cubs would lose 7 more games." You CAN'T do it.
It IS a formula that has been working. Watch Money Ball. Redsox, A's and Cubs have been models of this so far.

Oh yeah, like I mentioned, I don't mind it being used as a tool for scouting. But that's A tool, not THE tool. Plenty more has gone into what the Red Sox and Cubs have done than just WAR alone. Too many just think it's the end all, be all on how a player should be awarded/rewarded. WAR can't measure a player's attitude, teamsmanship, and work ethic.

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