9 Dead in Shooting at Black Church in SC

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

Allah wills it ranks up there.

at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.

Makes me cringe as well.
"And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17

yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.

well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....

what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.

Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/

yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.

I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.

I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.

i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.

nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.

stay fluffy my friends....

patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

now, back to Roof.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Wma31394 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rustneversleeps said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

Allah wills it ranks up there.

at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.

Makes me cringe as well.
"And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17

yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.

well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....

what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.

Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/

yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.

I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.

I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.

i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.

nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.

stay fluffy my friends....

patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

now, back to Roof.

He needs to die asap

and the rush is what exactly?

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

Allah wills it ranks up there.

at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.

Makes me cringe as well.
"And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17

If anything, God would be pissed off at the United States of America (if God existed), and Jesus would be rolling in his grave.

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tweedyfanjen said:

wistv.com/story/34224741/death-dylann-roof-receives-death-penalty-in-charleston-shooting-case

Is anyone really surprised? Glad sentencing was swift.

It remains to be seen if the punishment will be swift though. It usually isn't. But the guy seems to have been trying to get the DP (which is an argument against this sentence IMO), so perhaps there won't be a bunch of appeals, which would drag this out for years. Plus the federal government has only put 3 other people to death since the federal death penalty was reinstated in the '80s. The Justice Department has actually declared a moratorium on federal executions anyhow, while they review the policy.
Isn't it ironic that the Church in which the victims were killed actually opposes the death penalty? Also, 65% of black people polled oppose the death sentence for Roof, while only 35% of white people polled oppose it. Huh.

The process is too long given what we have here- irrefutable guilt. Just march him downstairs, erase his blemish on society, and let his moment become a memory.

Critics are speaking to the fact that the ensuing trials will cause additional pain and suffering by survivors. The same pain and suffering occurs when news of him applying for parole... or getting married to some idiot happens as well.

If the punishment meant prison for life- and by life I mean life where he dies in prison- and with no measures to make his stay comfortable such as protective custody... I'd be okay with that.

He would never be eligible for parole, and I seriously doubt he'd be able to do shit like get married either. He'd be kept in a cell 23.5 hours a day. Those kinds of prisoners don't get the kinds of perks you're talking about. Not sure what you mean by protective custody. He'd be locked up alone all the time as punishment, not as a favour. Sounds as though you'd like for him to be in general population so he can be murdered, but I'm sure you see the flaw in that idea.

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

tweedyfanjen said:

wistv.com/story/34224741/death-dylann-roof-receives-death-penalty-in-charleston-shooting-case

Is anyone really surprised? Glad sentencing was swift.

It remains to be seen if the punishment will be swift though. It usually isn't. But the guy seems to have been trying to get the DP (which is an argument against this sentence IMO), so perhaps there won't be a bunch of appeals, which would drag this out for years. Plus the federal government has only put 3 other people to death since the federal death penalty was reinstated in the '80s. The Justice Department has actually declared a moratorium on federal executions anyhow, while they review the policy.
Isn't it ironic that the Church in which the victims were killed actually opposes the death penalty? Also, 65% of black people polled oppose the death sentence for Roof, while only 35% of white people polled oppose it. Huh.

The process is too long given what we have here- irrefutable guilt. Just march him downstairs, erase his blemish on society, and let his moment become a memory.

Critics are speaking to the fact that the ensuing trials will cause additional pain and suffering by survivors. The same pain and suffering occurs when news of him applying for parole... or getting married to some idiot happens as well.

If the punishment meant prison for life- and by life I mean life where he dies in prison- and with no measures to make his stay comfortable such as protective custody... I'd be okay with that.

He would never be eligible for parole, and I seriously doubt he'd be able to do shit like get married either. He'd be kept in a cell 23.5 hours a day. Those kinds of prisoners don't get the kinds of perks you're talking about. Not sure what you mean by protective custody. He'd be locked up alone all the time as punishment, not as a favour. Sounds as though you'd like for him to be in general population so he can be murdered, but I'm sure you see the flaw in that idea.

Those kinds of prisoners do get the perks I'm talking about. They've been referenced several times. For gawds sakes... Charles Manson was married behind bars.

Yah. I don't think we have any obligation to not only extend mercy by imprisoning some mutant mass murderer instead of executing him let alone protect him more than we would any other 'normal' prisoner because we are worried about his welfare in prison.

Charles Manson hasn't had the same prison experience as Roof would. Manson never even actually murdered anyone in fact. He just convinced other people to.