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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    exactly my philosophy.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Wma31394
    Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    Yea what a fucking joke...unreal.
    "Going where the water tastes like wine!"
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    TB should we bring the DP to Canada starting tomorrow?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    TB should we bring the DP to Canada starting tomorrow?

    Yup
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    maybe one last time will do the trick: IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. THE. PRISONERS. IT'S. ABOUT. SOCIETY.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    maybe one last time will do the trick: IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. THE. PRISONERS. IT'S. ABOUT. SOCIETY.
    MAYBE. YOU. CAN. TRY. READING.

    IT. IS. ABOUT. SOCIETY.

    In particular... this part of my post that speaks to what is better for society: It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    And don't forget this part that speaks to 'justice': His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    maybe one last time will do the trick: IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. THE. PRISONERS. IT'S. ABOUT. SOCIETY.
    MAYBE. YOU. CAN. TRY. READING.

    IT. IS. ABOUT. SOCIETY.

    In particular... this part of my post that speaks to what is better for society: It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    And don't forget this part that speaks to 'justice': His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.
    And yet, overall, their justice system works far better than that of the USA. It does a far better job of protecting its citizens from these incidents, which is really the point, isn't it?
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    oftenreading said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    maybe one last time will do the trick: IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. THE. PRISONERS. IT'S. ABOUT. SOCIETY.
    MAYBE. YOU. CAN. TRY. READING.

    IT. IS. ABOUT. SOCIETY.

    In particular... this part of my post that speaks to what is better for society: It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    And don't forget this part that speaks to 'justice': His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.
    And yet, overall, their justice system works far better than that of the USA. It does a far better job of protecting its citizens from these incidents, which is really the point, isn't it?
    You're crediting Norway's justice system for their safer society?

    I'm not. I'd be crediting their public health, education, and social services much before I'd credit their open prison system.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    And no... some might insist that the point of locking people up for murdering 70 kids is to make sure the mass murderer doesn't do it again... others think the point of locking him up is to administer justice (which, as I have said, has not been achieved).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    maybe one last time will do the trick: IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. THE. PRISONERS. IT'S. ABOUT. SOCIETY.
    MAYBE. YOU. CAN. TRY. READING.

    IT. IS. ABOUT. SOCIETY.

    In particular... this part of my post that speaks to what is better for society: It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    And don't forget this part that speaks to 'justice': His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.
    I did read it. I just don't agree with it.

    a wise man once said "he who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it". if your objective of executing him is to forget the incident, the tragedy, the 70 kids that are gone, forgetting what he did and how the justice system failed accomplishes nothing. if anything it's counter-productive to the very thing you wish to see: justice.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    maybe one last time will do the trick: IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. THE. PRISONERS. IT'S. ABOUT. SOCIETY.
    MAYBE. YOU. CAN. TRY. READING.

    IT. IS. ABOUT. SOCIETY.

    In particular... this part of my post that speaks to what is better for society: It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    And don't forget this part that speaks to 'justice': His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.
    I did read it. I just don't agree with it.

    a wise man once said "he who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it". if your objective of executing him is to forget the incident, the tragedy, the 70 kids that are gone, forgetting what he did and how the justice system failed accomplishes nothing. if anything it's counter-productive to the very thing you wish to see: justice.
    So... judging from this discussion... you feel that state funded university degrees, hot meals, kayaking, and video games in Norway's open prison system is an appropriate form of justice for a mass murderer that executed 70 children on a shooting spree?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    maybe one last time will do the trick: IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. THE. PRISONERS. IT'S. ABOUT. SOCIETY.
    MAYBE. YOU. CAN. TRY. READING.

    IT. IS. ABOUT. SOCIETY.

    In particular... this part of my post that speaks to what is better for society: It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    And don't forget this part that speaks to 'justice': His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.
    I did read it. I just don't agree with it.

    a wise man once said "he who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it". if your objective of executing him is to forget the incident, the tragedy, the 70 kids that are gone, forgetting what he did and how the justice system failed accomplishes nothing. if anything it's counter-productive to the very thing you wish to see: justice.
    So... judging from this discussion... you feel that state funded university degrees, hot meals, kayaking, and video games in Norway's open prison system is an appropriate form of justice for a mass murderer that executed 70 children on a shooting spree?
    nope. we've covered this many times. if that is what he really gets to do, then that's a big fat NOPE.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    maybe one last time will do the trick: IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. THE. PRISONERS. IT'S. ABOUT. SOCIETY.
    MAYBE. YOU. CAN. TRY. READING.

    IT. IS. ABOUT. SOCIETY.

    In particular... this part of my post that speaks to what is better for society: It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    And don't forget this part that speaks to 'justice': His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.
    I did read it. I just don't agree with it.

    a wise man once said "he who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it". if your objective of executing him is to forget the incident, the tragedy, the 70 kids that are gone, forgetting what he did and how the justice system failed accomplishes nothing. if anything it's counter-productive to the very thing you wish to see: justice.
    So... judging from this discussion... you feel that state funded university degrees, hot meals, kayaking, and video games in Norway's open prison system is an appropriate form of justice for a mass murderer that executed 70 children on a shooting spree?
    nope. we've covered this many times. if that is what he really gets to do, then that's a big fat NOPE.
    That's what he really gets to do.

    So at a minimum, we are in agreement with the fact that Norway's response to his obscenity is a far cry from justice.

    If we limit the choices to the extreme positions... in response to the mass murder of 70 children... do you think Norway's society is better served for:

    1. Housing Anders, paying for university degrees, giving him video games and offering recreational pursuits such as kayaking?

    or

    2. Executing him?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    oftenreading said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    maybe one last time will do the trick: IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. THE. PRISONERS. IT'S. ABOUT. SOCIETY.
    MAYBE. YOU. CAN. TRY. READING.

    IT. IS. ABOUT. SOCIETY.

    In particular... this part of my post that speaks to what is better for society: It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    And don't forget this part that speaks to 'justice': His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.
    And yet, overall, their justice system works far better than that of the USA. It does a far better job of protecting its citizens from these incidents, which is really the point, isn't it?
    You're crediting Norway's justice system for their safer society?

    I'm not. I'd be crediting their public health, education, and social services much before I'd credit their open prison system.
    Their justice system is part of a whole system of thought that is driven by their values and goals as a society. It's inextricably interwoven with their public health, education and social services, because they understand how any one of those affects the others. It doesn't stand alone. And yes, their approach has an evidence base supporting its efficacy in reducing crime.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Wma31394 said:

    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap

    Yah... but the video games aren't that fantastic- that's why he went on a hunger strike (to protest). Further... he has to wait a whole 20 years before applying for parole.

    And it was only 70 young people he killed. It's not like he killed a 100 or something like that.
    ? Norway doesn't have the death penalty, and, just like in Canada, it doesn't have a sentence of life without parole. He got the maximum sentence possible. If he'd killed 300 he would have received the same sentence. That doesn't mean he'll get parole obviously.
    Oh I know.

    My point is: my they sure have been fair with him, eh? It's extreme. Short of making him say "sorry"... this is leniency at its finest.
    Well, they don't deal with him the way they do for his sake. They are like that for their own sakes. They are pretty big believers in the idea that the treatment of prisoners is a direct reflection of them as a people, and that treating prisoners relatively well (while keeping citizens safe) is actually more beneficial for their society (and souls, if you will) than treating prisoners with a strong sense of revenge would be. I personally agree with that idea. I know that you don't.
    No. I don't. I don't give two shits about some sane shithead that kills 70 of our children to make a political statement. It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.

    Are you f**king serious? (asked to nobody)
    maybe one last time will do the trick: IT'S. NOT. ABOUT. THE. PRISONERS. IT'S. ABOUT. SOCIETY.
    MAYBE. YOU. CAN. TRY. READING.

    IT. IS. ABOUT. SOCIETY.

    In particular... this part of my post that speaks to what is better for society: It is worse for society to hear of his musings and hear of his antics behind bars than it is to erase him from society. Every time he complains that his video games aren't the ones he wants... it is a reminder of a horrific event and of the failure of the judicial system to do what it is supposed to do- deliver justice.

    And don't forget this part that speaks to 'justice': His country club is the farthest thing imaginable from justice- a term confused with 'revenge' on the part of those eager to display they're heightened levels of enlightenment. 70 kids decompose... and he gets state paid university degrees, hot meals, video games, and kayaking.
    I did read it. I just don't agree with it.

    a wise man once said "he who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it". if your objective of executing him is to forget the incident, the tragedy, the 70 kids that are gone, forgetting what he did and how the justice system failed accomplishes nothing. if anything it's counter-productive to the very thing you wish to see: justice.
    So... judging from this discussion... you feel that state funded university degrees, hot meals, kayaking, and video games in Norway's open prison system is an appropriate form of justice for a mass murderer that executed 70 children on a shooting spree?
    nope. we've covered this many times. if that is what he really gets to do, then that's a big fat NOPE.
    That's what he really gets to do.

    So at a minimum, we are in agreement with the fact that Norway's response to his obscenity is a far cry from justice.

    If we limit the choices to the extreme positions... in response to the mass murder of 70 children... do you think Norway's society is better served for:

    1. Housing Anders, paying for university degrees, giving him video games and offering recreational pursuits such as kayaking?

    or

    2. Executing him?
    you know what my answer is. #1, every single time. as much as it angers me, #1.
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