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  • Wma31394
    Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    HughFreakingDillon said:

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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

    sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.
    well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....
    what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.
    Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

    http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/
    yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.
    I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.
    I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.
    i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.
    nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.
    stay fluffy my friends....
    patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

    now, back to Roof.
    He needs to die asap
    "Going where the water tastes like wine!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Wma31394 said:

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    tbergs said:

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    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    jeffbr said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

    sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.
    well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....
    what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.
    Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

    http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/
    yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.
    I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.
    I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.
    i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.
    nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.
    stay fluffy my friends....
    patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

    now, back to Roof.
    He needs to die asap
    and the rush is what exactly?
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    HughFreakingDillon said:

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    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    jeffbr said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

    sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.
    well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....
    what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.
    Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

    http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/
    yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.
    I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.
    I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.
    i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.
    nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.
    stay fluffy my friends....
    patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

    now, back to Roof.
    you are just a wealth of knowledge, hugh dillon. where would TDF be without you, eh?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Is it the continental US being blessed or do Alaska and Hawaii get in on that?
    What about Puerto Rico?
    Guam?

    Is it all the Americas, or just the US?

    Invoking a mythical being to offer special treatment to an arbitrarily designated plot of land which is already the most "blessed" in the world...you can't fix stupid.

    A real Christian would ask God to bless Africa or the Middle East, where people suffer and die in futility, they wouldn't being asking God to bless the land of SUV's and obesity.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    HughFreakingDillon said:

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    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    jeffbr said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

    sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.
    well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....
    what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.
    Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

    http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/
    yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.
    I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.
    I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.
    i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.
    nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.
    stay fluffy my friends....
    patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

    now, back to Roof.
    He needs to die asap
    and the rush is what exactly?
    why not? please grace us with your intellectualism.
  • Wma31394
    Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    HughFreakingDillon said:

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    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    jeffbr said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

    sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.
    well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....
    what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.
    Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

    http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/
    yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.
    I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.
    I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.
    i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.
    nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.
    stay fluffy my friends....
    patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

    now, back to Roof.
    He needs to die asap
    and the rush is what exactly?
    Hearings..tax payers money..etc...oh and the FACT that he is a total piece of shit murderer of 9 innocent people..good enough reasons to expedite?
    "Going where the water tastes like wine!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Wma31394 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Wma31394 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    jeffbr said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

    sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.
    well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....
    what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.
    Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

    http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/
    yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.
    I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.
    I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.
    i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.
    nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.
    stay fluffy my friends....
    patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

    now, back to Roof.
    He needs to die asap
    and the rush is what exactly?
    Hearings..tax payers money..etc...oh and the FACT that he is a total piece of shit murderer of 9 innocent people..good enough reasons to expedite?
    obviously there's no doubt about guilt. obviously the guy wants to die. just "asap" doesn't sit well.
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  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Wma31394 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    jeffbr said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

    sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.
    well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....
    what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.
    Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

    http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/
    yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.
    I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.
    I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.
    i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.
    nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.
    stay fluffy my friends....
    patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

    now, back to Roof.
    He needs to die asap
    and the rush is what exactly?
    Hearings..tax payers money..etc...oh and the FACT that he is a total piece of shit murderer of 9 innocent people..good enough reasons to expedite?
    obviously there's no doubt about guilt. obviously the guy wants to die. just "asap" doesn't sit well.
    big surprise.
  • Wma31394
    Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Wma31394 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Wma31394 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    jeffbr said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

    sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.
    well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....
    what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.
    Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

    http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/
    yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.
    I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.
    I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.
    i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.
    nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.
    stay fluffy my friends....
    patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

    now, back to Roof.
    He needs to die asap
    and the rush is what exactly?
    Hearings..tax payers money..etc...oh and the FACT that he is a total piece of shit murderer of 9 innocent people..good enough reasons to expedite?
    obviously there's no doubt about guilt. obviously the guy wants to die. just "asap" doesn't sit well.
    Sits well with me..
    "Going where the water tastes like wine!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    rustneversleeps said:


    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Wma31394 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Wma31394 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    tbergs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rustneversleeps said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    jeffbr said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    yeah, I get the heebie jeebies no matter whose mouth it comes from.

    sometimes I wonder how many politicians (democrats) hate saying that, but have to, as they'd be villified if they didn't.
    well you seem to hate America and Americans, so this isnt a surprise. God Bless Canada to , eh....
    what an idiotic statement. as I have stated repeatedly, it is impossible for any reasonably intelligent person to hate a country. I like visiting America, and some of my family are Americans.
    Maybe it would be helpful if you understood the meaning behind the phrase and the song before calling it stupid or arrogant. Should we dissect all countries phrases, songs, ideals, etc?

    http://performingsongwriter.com/god-bless-america/
    yeah, because that's the context people use it in today. spouting god bless america after a person is sentenced to death does not invoke what was intended when it was written.
    I agree. That doesn't mean it's stupid or arrogant. Saying God Bless America to a death sentence and singing it at his execution; completely stupid. It's about the context and the person using the phrase. Our soon to be president has made it clear how much difference there is in the meaning of "some words when spoken" by different people under different context.
    I would say the same if someone in Canada said something similar. I am not a patriot. I am happy to live in Canada and know how fortunate I am to do so. But I think nationalism and patriotism are odd. we're all human.
    i bet if you were American you'd be a patriot.
    nope. but you go on believing your imaginary lines are better than someone else's.
    stay fluffy my friends....
    patriotism was created, like a religion, to brainwash people into fighting for their country. simple as that. it only exists in countries with a vast military interest.

    now, back to Roof.
    He needs to die asap
    and the rush is what exactly?
    Hearings..tax payers money..etc...oh and the FACT that he is a total piece of shit murderer of 9 innocent people..good enough reasons to expedite?
    obviously there's no doubt about guilt. obviously the guy wants to die. just "asap" doesn't sit well.
    big surprise.
    well no shit sherlock. with me being against the death penalty and all.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    edited January 2017
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    tweedyfanjen said:

    wistv.com/story/34224741/death-dylann-roof-receives-death-penalty-in-charleston-shooting-case

    Is anyone really surprised? Glad sentencing was swift.

    It remains to be seen if the punishment will be swift though. It usually isn't. But the guy seems to have been trying to get the DP (which is an argument against this sentence IMO), so perhaps there won't be a bunch of appeals, which would drag this out for years. Plus the federal government has only put 3 other people to death since the federal death penalty was reinstated in the '80s. The Justice Department has actually declared a moratorium on federal executions anyhow, while they review the policy.
    Isn't it ironic that the Church in which the victims were killed actually opposes the death penalty? Also, 65% of black people polled oppose the death sentence for Roof, while only 35% of white people polled oppose it. Huh.
    The process is too long given what we have here- irrefutable guilt. Just march him downstairs, erase his blemish on society, and let his moment become a memory.

    Critics are speaking to the fact that the ensuing trials will cause additional pain and suffering by survivors. The same pain and suffering occurs when news of him applying for parole... or getting married to some idiot happens as well.

    If the punishment meant prison for life- and by life I mean life where he dies in prison- and with no measures to make his stay comfortable such as protective custody... I'd be okay with that.
    He would never be eligible for parole, and I seriously doubt he'd be able to do shit like get married either. He'd be kept in a cell 23.5 hours a day. Those kinds of prisoners don't get the kinds of perks you're talking about. Not sure what you mean by protective custody. He'd be locked up alone all the time as punishment, not as a favour. Sounds as though you'd like for him to be in general population so he can be murdered, but I'm sure you see the flaw in that idea.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    jeffbr said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    If anything, God would be pissed off at the United States of America (if God existed), and Jesus would be rolling in his grave.
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  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    PJ_Soul said:

    jeffbr said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    god bless america is close to the stupidest and most arrogant thing a human can muster.

    Allah wills it ranks up there.
    at least they aren't shouting for allah to bless a man-made geographical area. that is just such a stupid concept to me.
    Don't get me wrong... I'm not in disagreement with you.
    Makes me cringe as well.
    "And may God continue to bless the United States of America." Obama, 1/10/17
    If anything, God would be pissed off at the United States of America (if God existed), and Jesus would be rolling in his grave.
    of course She would be, you know everything... OH CANADA!!!
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    tweedyfanjen said:

    wistv.com/story/34224741/death-dylann-roof-receives-death-penalty-in-charleston-shooting-case

    Is anyone really surprised? Glad sentencing was swift.

    It remains to be seen if the punishment will be swift though. It usually isn't. But the guy seems to have been trying to get the DP (which is an argument against this sentence IMO), so perhaps there won't be a bunch of appeals, which would drag this out for years. Plus the federal government has only put 3 other people to death since the federal death penalty was reinstated in the '80s. The Justice Department has actually declared a moratorium on federal executions anyhow, while they review the policy.
    Isn't it ironic that the Church in which the victims were killed actually opposes the death penalty? Also, 65% of black people polled oppose the death sentence for Roof, while only 35% of white people polled oppose it. Huh.
    The process is too long given what we have here- irrefutable guilt. Just march him downstairs, erase his blemish on society, and let his moment become a memory.

    Critics are speaking to the fact that the ensuing trials will cause additional pain and suffering by survivors. The same pain and suffering occurs when news of him applying for parole... or getting married to some idiot happens as well.

    If the punishment meant prison for life- and by life I mean life where he dies in prison- and with no measures to make his stay comfortable such as protective custody... I'd be okay with that.
    He would never be eligible for parole, and I seriously doubt he'd be able to do shit like get married either. He'd be kept in a cell 23.5 hours a day. Those kinds of prisoners don't get the kinds of perks you're talking about. Not sure what you mean by protective custody. He'd be locked up alone all the time as punishment, not as a favour. Sounds as though you'd like for him to be in general population so he can be murdered, but I'm sure you see the flaw in that idea.
    Those kinds of prisoners do get the perks I'm talking about. They've been referenced several times. For gawds sakes... Charles Manson was married behind bars.

    Yah. I don't think we have any obligation to not only extend mercy by imprisoning some mutant mass murderer instead of executing him let alone protect him more than we would any other 'normal' prisoner because we are worried about his welfare in prison.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    edited January 2017
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    tweedyfanjen said:

    wistv.com/story/34224741/death-dylann-roof-receives-death-penalty-in-charleston-shooting-case

    Is anyone really surprised? Glad sentencing was swift.

    It remains to be seen if the punishment will be swift though. It usually isn't. But the guy seems to have been trying to get the DP (which is an argument against this sentence IMO), so perhaps there won't be a bunch of appeals, which would drag this out for years. Plus the federal government has only put 3 other people to death since the federal death penalty was reinstated in the '80s. The Justice Department has actually declared a moratorium on federal executions anyhow, while they review the policy.
    Isn't it ironic that the Church in which the victims were killed actually opposes the death penalty? Also, 65% of black people polled oppose the death sentence for Roof, while only 35% of white people polled oppose it. Huh.
    The process is too long given what we have here- irrefutable guilt. Just march him downstairs, erase his blemish on society, and let his moment become a memory.

    Critics are speaking to the fact that the ensuing trials will cause additional pain and suffering by survivors. The same pain and suffering occurs when news of him applying for parole... or getting married to some idiot happens as well.

    If the punishment meant prison for life- and by life I mean life where he dies in prison- and with no measures to make his stay comfortable such as protective custody... I'd be okay with that.
    He would never be eligible for parole, and I seriously doubt he'd be able to do shit like get married either. He'd be kept in a cell 23.5 hours a day. Those kinds of prisoners don't get the kinds of perks you're talking about. Not sure what you mean by protective custody. He'd be locked up alone all the time as punishment, not as a favour. Sounds as though you'd like for him to be in general population so he can be murdered, but I'm sure you see the flaw in that idea.
    Those kinds of prisoners do get the perks I'm talking about. They've been referenced several times. For gawds sakes... Charles Manson was married behind bars.

    Yah. I don't think we have any obligation to not only extend mercy by imprisoning some mutant mass murderer instead of executing him let alone protect him more than we would any other 'normal' prisoner because we are worried about his welfare in prison.
    Charles Manson hasn't had the same prison experience as Roof would; not even close. Manson never even actually murdered anyone in fact. He just convinced other people to.

    As for supermax lockdown... keeping someone in a cell for the rest of his life isn't done for protection. It's done for punishment. But it also doesn't serve anyone else in the general population to allow someone into it who will be murdered. Throwing a man at them to be killed is harmful to other people there. Anyway, seems to me that Roof wants to be executed. I figure when someone wants to be executed, those who are into murdering murderers should refuse them.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    tweedyfanjen said:

    wistv.com/story/34224741/death-dylann-roof-receives-death-penalty-in-charleston-shooting-case

    Is anyone really surprised? Glad sentencing was swift.

    It remains to be seen if the punishment will be swift though. It usually isn't. But the guy seems to have been trying to get the DP (which is an argument against this sentence IMO), so perhaps there won't be a bunch of appeals, which would drag this out for years. Plus the federal government has only put 3 other people to death since the federal death penalty was reinstated in the '80s. The Justice Department has actually declared a moratorium on federal executions anyhow, while they review the policy.
    Isn't it ironic that the Church in which the victims were killed actually opposes the death penalty? Also, 65% of black people polled oppose the death sentence for Roof, while only 35% of white people polled oppose it. Huh.
    The process is too long given what we have here- irrefutable guilt. Just march him downstairs, erase his blemish on society, and let his moment become a memory.

    Critics are speaking to the fact that the ensuing trials will cause additional pain and suffering by survivors. The same pain and suffering occurs when news of him applying for parole... or getting married to some idiot happens as well.

    If the punishment meant prison for life- and by life I mean life where he dies in prison- and with no measures to make his stay comfortable such as protective custody... I'd be okay with that.
    He would never be eligible for parole, and I seriously doubt he'd be able to do shit like get married either. He'd be kept in a cell 23.5 hours a day. Those kinds of prisoners don't get the kinds of perks you're talking about. Not sure what you mean by protective custody. He'd be locked up alone all the time as punishment, not as a favour. Sounds as though you'd like for him to be in general population so he can be murdered, but I'm sure you see the flaw in that idea.
    Those kinds of prisoners do get the perks I'm talking about. They've been referenced several times. For gawds sakes... Charles Manson was married behind bars.

    Yah. I don't think we have any obligation to not only extend mercy by imprisoning some mutant mass murderer instead of executing him let alone protect him more than we would any other 'normal' prisoner because we are worried about his welfare in prison.
    Charles Manson hasn't had the same prison experience as Roof would. Manson never even actually murdered anyone in fact. He just convinced other people to.
    Clifford Olsen then.

    Want a few more? How about David Shearing? Just talking off the top of my head and regionally.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    tweedyfanjen said:

    wistv.com/story/34224741/death-dylann-roof-receives-death-penalty-in-charleston-shooting-case

    Is anyone really surprised? Glad sentencing was swift.

    It remains to be seen if the punishment will be swift though. It usually isn't. But the guy seems to have been trying to get the DP (which is an argument against this sentence IMO), so perhaps there won't be a bunch of appeals, which would drag this out for years. Plus the federal government has only put 3 other people to death since the federal death penalty was reinstated in the '80s. The Justice Department has actually declared a moratorium on federal executions anyhow, while they review the policy.
    Isn't it ironic that the Church in which the victims were killed actually opposes the death penalty? Also, 65% of black people polled oppose the death sentence for Roof, while only 35% of white people polled oppose it. Huh.
    The process is too long given what we have here- irrefutable guilt. Just march him downstairs, erase his blemish on society, and let his moment become a memory.

    Critics are speaking to the fact that the ensuing trials will cause additional pain and suffering by survivors. The same pain and suffering occurs when news of him applying for parole... or getting married to some idiot happens as well.

    If the punishment meant prison for life- and by life I mean life where he dies in prison- and with no measures to make his stay comfortable such as protective custody... I'd be okay with that.
    He would never be eligible for parole, and I seriously doubt he'd be able to do shit like get married either. He'd be kept in a cell 23.5 hours a day. Those kinds of prisoners don't get the kinds of perks you're talking about. Not sure what you mean by protective custody. He'd be locked up alone all the time as punishment, not as a favour. Sounds as though you'd like for him to be in general population so he can be murdered, but I'm sure you see the flaw in that idea.
    how do you know?
  • Wma31394
    Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    Different continent but that piece of shit in Norway that killed all those kids at the camp plays video games, has tv, etc...sheesh.

    This guy dylann deserves not even the most basic pleasures..off him asap
    "Going where the water tastes like wine!"
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    tweedyfanjen said:

    wistv.com/story/34224741/death-dylann-roof-receives-death-penalty-in-charleston-shooting-case

    Is anyone really surprised? Glad sentencing was swift.

    It remains to be seen if the punishment will be swift though. It usually isn't. But the guy seems to have been trying to get the DP (which is an argument against this sentence IMO), so perhaps there won't be a bunch of appeals, which would drag this out for years. Plus the federal government has only put 3 other people to death since the federal death penalty was reinstated in the '80s. The Justice Department has actually declared a moratorium on federal executions anyhow, while they review the policy.
    Isn't it ironic that the Church in which the victims were killed actually opposes the death penalty? Also, 65% of black people polled oppose the death sentence for Roof, while only 35% of white people polled oppose it. Huh.
    The process is too long given what we have here- irrefutable guilt. Just march him downstairs, erase his blemish on society, and let his moment become a memory.

    Critics are speaking to the fact that the ensuing trials will cause additional pain and suffering by survivors. The same pain and suffering occurs when news of him applying for parole... or getting married to some idiot happens as well.

    If the punishment meant prison for life- and by life I mean life where he dies in prison- and with no measures to make his stay comfortable such as protective custody... I'd be okay with that.
    He would never be eligible for parole, and I seriously doubt he'd be able to do shit like get married either. He'd be kept in a cell 23.5 hours a day. Those kinds of prisoners don't get the kinds of perks you're talking about. Not sure what you mean by protective custody. He'd be locked up alone all the time as punishment, not as a favour. Sounds as though you'd like for him to be in general population so he can be murdered, but I'm sure you see the flaw in that idea.
    Those kinds of prisoners do get the perks I'm talking about. They've been referenced several times. For gawds sakes... Charles Manson was married behind bars.

    Yah. I don't think we have any obligation to not only extend mercy by imprisoning some mutant mass murderer instead of executing him let alone protect him more than we would any other 'normal' prisoner because we are worried about his welfare in prison.
    Charles Manson hasn't had the same prison experience as Roof would. Manson never even actually murdered anyone in fact. He just convinced other people to.
    how do you know? please enlighten. thanks....
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667

    Families of Charleston victims grapple with forgiveness and death:
    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/10/would-dylann-roofs-execution-bring-justice-families-of-victims-grapple-with-forgiveness-and-death/

    Just an interesting article that some might want to read. Many perspectives when it comes to this story.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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