9 Dead in Shooting at Black Church in SC

HughFreakingDillon · December 2016

Degeneratefk said:

rgambs said:
One thing this thread has made clear, most of you have no idea what prison is actually like.

No clue.
How so? Do you? What makes you or Hugh any more of an expert than anyone else? Have you read the particulars of the Susan Smith case? It would be pretty silly to say Smith was abused if you've never read what actually happened.

first, see gambs post a little up the page. second, anyone who says that prisoners have a comfy life or equate prison with a country club.....

rgambs · December 2016

Degeneratefk said:

rgambs said:
One thing this thread has made clear, most of you have no idea what prison is actually like.

No clue.
How so? Do you? What makes you or Hugh any more of an expert than anyone else? Have you read the particulars of the Susan Smith case? It would be pretty silly to say Smith was abused if you've never read what actually happened.

I don't know anything about the Smith case, and I was way behind in the thread so I only skimmed that stuff.
My brother was a federal prisoner for close to 10 years, he died in CSP. Nat Geo actually did a documentary on solitary confinement that was filmed at, and about, CSP.
I visited him about 10 times and exchanged many letters. I haven't been to prison myself, but I know about his personal experience and I have consumed a fair amount of literature and media on the subject.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2017

Roof, representing himself in the penalty phase, scoffs at psychological disorders calling them 'Jewish inventions'. His best chance at avoiding execution is to latch on to one though.

It will be very interesting to see how he plans on navigating his way through this portion of the trial... not that anyone really cares for his fortunes given what he has done: "Even those who oppose the death penalty on moral grounds, like the Rev. Joseph A. Darby, a presiding elder for the African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, said it would seem bewildering for Mr. Roof to escape capital punishment."

http://nyti.ms/2iTYBsB

oftenreading · January 2017

Perhaps I haven't been reading closely enough, but I just discovered today that Roof's current trial is on federal charges of murder (plus other charges), but apparently he also faces 9 state charges of murder which will be tried in state court sometime in the future. Does anyone know why it is that he can be charged and tried for the same events at both the federal and the state level?

tbergs · January 2017

From what I understand, it's because SC doesn't have a hate crime law, so the feds pursued all of the hate crime charges possible for the murders. He's the first person to be tried both at the state and federal level.

This covers it a little:

www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/rundown/dylann-roof-will-face-the-death-penalty-in-charleston-church-shooting-trial

oftenreading · January 2017

Thanks, tbergs.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2017

tbergs said:
From what I understand, it's because SC doesn't have a hate crime law, so the feds pursued all of the hate crime charges possible for the murders. He's the first person to be tried both at the state and federal level.

This covers it a little:

www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/rundown/dylann-roof-will-face-the-death-penalty-in-charleston-church-shooting-trial

wow, that almost sounds like double jeopardy. not that it really matters in this case, but for precedence sake, it would.

markymark550 · January 2017

Degeneratefk said:

tweedyfanjen said:
We (SC) didn't even give Susan Smith the death penalty for killing her own kids.
That was before I moved down here. But remember hearing about it and thinking it was odd that she didn't get the DP. Not only did she get to live, but got pregnant from a guard in prison.

One thing this state does not lack is horrendous crimes. Susan Smith may be the only rival to dylan roof when it comes to heinous acts committed in this state since slavery.

Donald Henry "Pee Wee" Gaskins, Jr

He has to be the most notorious when it comes to heinous acts in South Carolina. He committed his in the 60s/70s and was executed in the early 90s, so it's understandable how he could be overlooked. The things he did were truly disturbing.

markymark550 · January 2017

tbergs said:
From what I understand, it's because SC doesn't have a hate crime law, so the feds pursued all of the hate crime charges possible for the murders. He's the first person to be tried both at the state and federal level.

This covers it a little:

www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/rundown/dylann-roof-will-face-the-death-penalty-in-charleston-church-shooting-trial

Even if South Carolina had hate crime legislation, he could still be tried in both federal and state courts because of the dual sovereignty doctrine. Usually the feds defer to state courts, but the hate crime component is why the feds wanted to try the case. I don't think he's the first person to be tried at both levels though (perhaps the first in SC). I think both McVeigh and Nichols were tried at both levels for the OKC bombing.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2017

markymark550 said:

Degeneratefk said:

tweedyfanjen said:
We (SC) didn't even give Susan Smith the death penalty for killing her own kids.
That was before I moved down here. But remember hearing about it and thinking it was odd that she didn't get the DP. Not only did she get to live, but got pregnant from a guard in prison.

One thing this state does not lack is horrendous crimes. Susan Smith may be the only rival to dylan roof when it comes to heinous acts committed in this state since slavery.
Donald Henry "Pee Wee" Gaskins, Jr

He has to be the most notorious when it comes to heinous acts in South Carolina. He committed his in the 60s/70s and was executed in the early 90s, so it's understandable how he could be overlooked. The things he did were truly disturbing.

He also killed while in prison.

Some simply aren't worth the efforts.

tweedyfanjen · January 2017

markymark550 said:

Degeneratefk said:

tweedyfanjen said:
We (SC) didn't even give Susan Smith the death penalty for killing her own kids.
That was before I moved down here. But remember hearing about it and thinking it was odd that she didn't get the DP. Not only did she get to live, but got pregnant from a guard in prison.

One thing this state does not lack is horrendous crimes. Susan Smith may be the only rival to dylan roof when it comes to heinous acts committed in this state since slavery.
Donald Henry "Pee Wee" Gaskins, Jr

He has to be the most notorious when it comes to heinous acts in South Carolina. He committed his in the 60s/70s and was executed in the early 90s, so it's understandable how he could be overlooked. The things he did were truly disturbing.

Have you seen the SCETV documentary on Pee Wee? Fascinating stuff. Dude was batshit crazy and even killed his niece. My grandmother actually knew him. There's also Larry Gene Bell who was executed in the 90's.

markymark550 · January 2017

tweedyfanjen said:

markymark550 said:

Degeneratefk said:

tweedyfanjen said:
We (SC) didn't even give Susan Smith the death penalty for killing her own kids.
That was before I moved down here. But remember hearing about it and thinking it was odd that she didn't get the DP. Not only did she get to live, but got pregnant from a guard in prison.

One thing this state does not lack is horrendous crimes. Susan Smith may be the only rival to dylan roof when it comes to heinous acts committed in this state since slavery.
Donald Henry "Pee Wee" Gaskins, Jr

He has to be the most notorious when it comes to heinous acts in South Carolina. He committed his in the 60s/70s and was executed in the early 90s, so it's understandable how he could be overlooked. The things he did were truly disturbing.
Have you seen the SCETV documentary on Pee Wee? Fascinating stuff. Dude was batshit crazy and even killed his niece. My grandmother actually knew him. There's also Larry Gene Bell who was executed in the 90's.

I've seen a documentary on him, but I'm not sure if it's one on SCETV.

Degeneratefk · January 2017

markymark550 said:

Degeneratefk said:

tweedyfanjen said:
We (SC) didn't even give Susan Smith the death penalty for killing her own kids.
That was before I moved down here. But remember hearing about it and thinking it was odd that she didn't get the DP. Not only did she get to live, but got pregnant from a guard in prison.

One thing this state does not lack is horrendous crimes. Susan Smith may be the only rival to dylan roof when it comes to heinous acts committed in this state since slavery.
Donald Henry "Pee Wee" Gaskins, Jr

He has to be the most notorious when it comes to heinous acts in South Carolina. He committed his in the 60s/70s and was executed in the early 90s, so it's understandable how he could be overlooked. The things he did were truly disturbing.

I've heard stories of that guy. I hear he killed a few people from the area I live.

markymark550 · January 2017

Degeneratefk said:

markymark550 said:

Degeneratefk said:

tweedyfanjen said:
We (SC) didn't even give Susan Smith the death penalty for killing her own kids.
That was before I moved down here. But remember hearing about it and thinking it was odd that she didn't get the DP. Not only did she get to live, but got pregnant from a guard in prison.

One thing this state does not lack is horrendous crimes. Susan Smith may be the only rival to dylan roof when it comes to heinous acts committed in this state since slavery.
Donald Henry "Pee Wee" Gaskins, Jr

He has to be the most notorious when it comes to heinous acts in South Carolina. He committed his in the 60s/70s and was executed in the early 90s, so it's understandable how he could be overlooked. The things he did were truly disturbing.
I've heard stories of that guy. I hear he killed a few people from the area I live.

He probably did, if all of his claims were true.

markymark550 · January 2017

Back to the trial:

Live tweets state that Roof laments that his mental competency hearings will become public knowledge and said "there's nothing wrong with me psychologically."

Prosecutor is calling victims' family to stand, starting with Sen. Pinckney's wife.

mickeyrat · January 2017

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/charleston-church-shooter-i-would-like-to-make-it-crystal-clear-i-do-not-regret-what-i-did/2017/01/04/05b0061e-d1da-11e6-a783-cd3fa950f2fd_story.html?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.f5ee8b6382d9

CHARLESTON — Six weeks after he shot and killed nine people at a Charleston church, Dylann Roof lamented in a jailhouse journal that he could no longer go to the movies or eat good food. But he still felt the massacre was “worth it” because of what he perceived as the wrongs perpetrated by the black community.

“I would like to make it crystal clear, I do not regret what I did,” Roof wrote. “I am not sorry.”

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2017

mickeyrat said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/charleston-church-shooter-i-would-like-to-make-it-crystal-clear-i-do-not-regret-what-i-did/2017/01/04/05b0061e-d1da-11e6-a783-cd3fa950f2fd_story.html?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.f5ee8b6382d9

CHARLESTON — Six weeks after he shot and killed nine people at a Charleston church, Dylann Roof lamented in a jailhouse journal that he could no longer go to the movies or eat good food. But he still felt the massacre was “worth it” because of what he perceived as the wrongs perpetrated by the black community.

“I would like to make it crystal clear, I do not regret what I did,” Roof wrote. “I am not sorry.”

And neither are we to see you go, Mushroom Head, you sad sad little man.

Nice try at life, rodent.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2017

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/charleston-church-shooter-i-would-like-to-make-it-crystal-clear-i-do-not-regret-what-i-did/2017/01/04/05b0061e-d1da-11e6-a783-cd3fa950f2fd_story.html?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.f5ee8b6382d9

CHARLESTON — Six weeks after he shot and killed nine people at a Charleston church, Dylann Roof lamented in a jailhouse journal that he could no longer go to the movies or eat good food. But he still felt the massacre was “worth it” because of what he perceived as the wrongs perpetrated by the black community.

“I would like to make it crystal clear, I do not regret what I did,” Roof wrote. “I am not sorry.”
And neither are we to see you go, Mushroom Head, you sad sad little man.

Nice try at life, rodent.

he is obviously intentionally going for the DP. he knows, as a racist who murdered 9 black people, he is in for a world of pain and agony in prison where there is a disproportionate amount of black people. he wants death, but before that, solitary. that's the only way his bung hole survives.

PJ_Soul · January 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/charleston-church-shooter-i-would-like-to-make-it-crystal-clear-i-do-not-regret-what-i-did/2017/01/04/05b0061e-d1da-11e6-a783-cd3fa950f2fd_story.html?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.f5ee8b6382d9

CHARLESTON — Six weeks after he shot and killed nine people at a Charleston church, Dylann Roof lamented in a jailhouse journal that he could no longer go to the movies or eat good food. But he still felt the massacre was “worth it” because of what he perceived as the wrongs perpetrated by the black community.

“I would like to make it crystal clear, I do not regret what I did,” Roof wrote. “I am not sorry.”
And neither are we to see you go, Mushroom Head, you sad sad little man.

Nice try at life, rodent.
he is obviously intentionally going for the DP. he knows, as a racist who murdered 9 black people, he is in for a world of pain and agony in prison where there is a disproportionate amount of black people. he wants death, but before that, solitary. that's the only way his bung hole survives.

Not if the white supremacists gangs protected him, which they probably would. Come on, you've seen American History X.

No, but seriously, he would be in isolation 23 hours of the day with an hour along in a concrete courtyard. I don't think there would be opportunity for others to attack him, would there?? Pretty sure they have armed guards all over the place in those supermax prisons. Total lockdown, basically.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2017

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/charleston-church-shooter-i-would-like-to-make-it-crystal-clear-i-do-not-regret-what-i-did/2017/01/04/05b0061e-d1da-11e6-a783-cd3fa950f2fd_story.html?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.f5ee8b6382d9

CHARLESTON — Six weeks after he shot and killed nine people at a Charleston church, Dylann Roof lamented in a jailhouse journal that he could no longer go to the movies or eat good food. But he still felt the massacre was “worth it” because of what he perceived as the wrongs perpetrated by the black community.

“I would like to make it crystal clear, I do not regret what I did,” Roof wrote. “I am not sorry.”
And neither are we to see you go, Mushroom Head, you sad sad little man.

Nice try at life, rodent.
he is obviously intentionally going for the DP. he knows, as a racist who murdered 9 black people, he is in for a world of pain and agony in prison where there is a disproportionate amount of black people. he wants death, but before that, solitary. that's the only way his bung hole survives.
Not if the white supremacists gangs protected him, which they probably would. Come on, you've seen American History X.
No, but seriously, he would be in isolation 23 hours of the day with an hour along in a concrete courtyard. I don't think there would be opportunity for others to attack him, would there?? Pretty sure they have armed guards all over the place in those supermax prisons. Total lockdown, basically.

not sure. are you assuming he'd get solitary?

9 Dead in Shooting at Black Church in SC

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