Only 2 Drummers Get In? RnRHOF. Merged

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  • Sarava
    Sarava Naperville, IL Posts: 2,063
    tkiggs said:

    Well anyway, congrats to my favorite band!

    Yeah that's the important thing. Congrats to the guys. It's so well earned. It's a shame this negativity is taking over the story.
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    Spiritual_Chaos said:


    HesCalledDyer said:

    OceansJenny said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Sarava said:

    This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

    I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.
    They put Nirvana in with 3 albums, why not Pearl Jam? Without those first 3 and the explosion of popularity they would likely not be considered.

    Eddie Vedder didn't blow his brains out.
    So?
    Pearl Jam would not be in with only 3 albums unless something tragic happened, like Eddie blowing his brains out a la Cobain.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    OceansJenny said:

    Sarava said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Sarava said:

    This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

    I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.
    After vitalogy? That's different than what I spoke of, which was Matt joining (he joined after Yield). After Yield, yes they were basically a lock at that point to me. After Vitalogy, probably but not for sure. At that point they probably just needed to put out a few decent albums, to make the catalog deeper.
    When you look at pieces written on Pearl Jam's legacy, they always focus on 1991-1994 and briefly cover the rest in a paragraph or less. Hell, PJ20 did the same thing. While Pearl Jam post-1994 is important to us as fans, its not hailed as their best work by others, for better or for worse.

    When it comes down to the RnRHOF, it's absolutely the first three albums and a nod of existence and survival for the following seven.
    Absolutely, huh?

    I think 25 years of relevance, and morphing into one of the greatest live acts of the last 15 years has just as much to do with it as the first 4 years they were around, but that's just me.

  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,392
    Merkin Baller said:

    OceansJenny said:

    Sarava said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Sarava said:

    This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

    I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.
    After vitalogy? That's different than what I spoke of, which was Matt joining (he joined after Yield). After Yield, yes they were basically a lock at that point to me. After Vitalogy, probably but not for sure. At that point they probably just needed to put out a few decent albums, to make the catalog deeper.
    When you look at pieces written on Pearl Jam's legacy, they always focus on 1991-1994 and briefly cover the rest in a paragraph or less. Hell, PJ20 did the same thing. While Pearl Jam post-1994 is important to us as fans, its not hailed as their best work by others, for better or for worse.

    When it comes down to the RnRHOF, it's absolutely the first three albums and a nod of existence and survival for the following seven.
    Absolutely, huh?

    I think 25 years of relevance, and morphing into one of the greatest live acts of the last 15 years has just as much to do with it as the first 4 years they were around, but that's just me.

    I completely agree.
  • tkiggs
    tkiggs Posts: 46
    If the world is still here when the induction takes place....
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  • NewJPage
    NewJPage Posts: 3,324
    HesCalledDyer said:

    Spiritual_Chaos said:


    HesCalledDyer said:

    OceansJenny said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Sarava said:

    This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

    I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.
    They put Nirvana in with 3 albums, why not Pearl Jam? Without those first 3 and the explosion of popularity they would likely not be considered.

    Eddie Vedder didn't blow his brains out.
    So?
    Pearl Jam would not be in with only 3 albums unless something tragic happened, like Eddie blowing his brains out a la Cobain.
    NWA got in for 1 album
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    NewJPage said:

    HesCalledDyer said:

    Spiritual_Chaos said:


    HesCalledDyer said:

    OceansJenny said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Sarava said:

    This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

    I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.
    They put Nirvana in with 3 albums, why not Pearl Jam? Without those first 3 and the explosion of popularity they would likely not be considered.

    Eddie Vedder didn't blow his brains out.
    So?
    Pearl Jam would not be in with only 3 albums unless something tragic happened, like Eddie blowing his brains out a la Cobain.
    NWA got in for 1 album
    NWA is nothing like Pearl Jam or Nirvana.
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  • KV4053
    KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,514
    Congratulations JA, SG, EV, DK, MC, and the mighty MM!
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,773
    Pearl Jam would get in with just the first 3 albums. Those were important albums at a time when the direction of music was changing. Also there are a lot of bands or artists that are in with only a few or less albums.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,014
    igotid88 said:

    Pearl Jam would get in with just the first 3 albums. Those were important albums at a time when the direction of music was changing. Also there are a lot of bands or artists that are in with only a few or less albums.

    agreed. nirvana getting in had zero to do with kurt's death. nevermind cemented them getting in. he could have released 7 consecutive albums on accordian and they still would have been given the nod.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    Maybe, maybe not. Bottom line is Dave A isn't getting in and people need to accept that. Doesn't change anyone's lives any.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,014
    HesCalledDyer said:

    Maybe, maybe not. Bottom line is Dave A isn't getting in and people need to accept that. Doesn't change anyone's lives any.

    I don't think anyone here is losing any sleep over it. I've said this time and again here: it's a debate/discussion. let it happen.
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  • Wma31394
    Wma31394 Posts: 3,045
    It is a communist act of treason Dave A is not getting in before Krusen....

    My order would be..

    Cameron
    Dave A.
    Irons
    Krusen
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,906
    edited December 2016
    OceansJenny said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Sarava said:

    This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

    I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.
    They put Nirvana in with 3 albums, why not Pearl Jam? Without those first 3 and the explosion of popularity they would likely not be considered.

    Yeah, and one might wonder if Nirvana would have the kind of endurance or influence that it does had Cobain not killed himself, so.....
    At any rate, Nirvana isn't PJ and vice versa. What happens to Nirvana is separate from what happens to PJ of course.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • joseph33
    joseph33 Washington DC Posts: 1,341
    The RHOF is a shit event. It's not about the art that is music,it's a social club created by Jann Wenner. If it's about impact on the listener,I don't see why Dave A. got snubbed.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,906
    joseph33 said:

    The RHOF is a shit event. It's not about the art that is music,it's a social club created by Jann Wenner. If it's about impact on the listener,I don't see why Dave A. got snubbed.

    Well you may be right, but the thing is that you can still visit the RRHOF and the bands mostly seem to really enjoy the honour too, so it's not JUST about the politics or whatever behind the inductions. I really know nothing about what some others are saying re Wenner and all that crap, and I really don't care. Some people get inducted, some don't. I can't say I feel overly concerned for those who don't. This is something I just can't be bothered to overthink. I think it's nice that the bands who get in do, and that they are honoured on TV and memorialized in the Hall of Fame. I figure those who feel upset about not getting in perhaps take it too seriously (I know, easy for me to say, as someone who hasn't been snubbed and who isn't a successful musician, lol).
    Well anyhow.... Congrats to PJ! I'm sure they are at least somewhat pleased, especially Eddie, who seems to dig the whole thing judging from his attitude at the ceremonies that he inducted for.
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  • carlosjam88
    carlosjam88 Posts: 10
    I've followed the band since 1992... wrote a letter to the band about how much I loved their music in 1993... joined Vitology Health Club shortly after... and my fervor for their music has not yielded to age and responsibilities (40+ shows attended). I plan to be there in NYC on April 7th as a devoted fan and as a thank you for the life's work they've shared.

    But, man am I disappointed in the lack of induction for Dave Abbruzzese. He was a integral part of the band and at times someone you couldn't take your eyes off during a show (like Mr. Ed) because he was so damn good at his craft. I do honestly believe the band sounded its best with him on drums (as much as I have enjoyed all those that came after him).

    In the band I trust and will forever be grateful for their work and the humility they've reflected in everything they do... But Dave A. deserves better from his former bandmates ($$ issues notwithstanding).
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,773
    it was not their decision
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,086
    Politics aside, this is like being dissapointed that Hillary isn't claiming the presidency for winning the popular vote.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Christ people. Give it up, already. He's been out of the band with little to no mention from the band for almost twenty years. Why on earth would he be inducted for like 3 years and two albums?
    He hit the drums and cymbals hard. That's it. He didn't reinvent the fucking wheel.
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