President Elect Trump

Go Beavers said:

benjs said:

Go Beavers said:

benjs said:

Go Beavers said:

benjs said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

vaggar99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

vaggar99 said:

in all seriousness, i am somewhat disturbed at the misspelling of 'unprecedented'. i'm pretty sure that would have been a word that would have come up in a grade school spelling test or some required reading material. the word 'unpresidented' has never been published. How do you come up with that spelling? Only one way i can think of...you never read the word or read it so few times to not notice the 'ce' in the middle makes it unique enough to where 'precedent' and 'president' are not really close to the same words in appearance. just an observation. there are other tweets

I think it's a hilarious tweet mistake coming from the PE, but people are making wayyyyy too much about it. it's a simple spelling mistake. I highly doubt he actually thought the word was "unpresidented". who knows, maybe he did it on purpose to troll everyone who follows him.

i'd agree except for it comes from someone who thinks/says he's smart. i'm not saying that knowing how to spell well is a differentiating factor, but it does to me say that a person is not well read. i find that to be not only disturbing but dangerous.

i suppose i can just buy into the illusion that T. is smart and every dumb thing he says/does is just another joke on those who hate him. I guess that's what I had to do to get used to GWB. I guess that turned out ok.

it doesn't mean he's not well read. all it means is he doesn't give a shit about spelling mistakes on social media. at this level, he should, but he doesn't give a shit about much, so why would spelling be at the top of the list, or on the list at all?

Marie Brenner's 1990 profile of Donald Trump for Vanity Fair captured the real estate mogul in turmoil, as he struggled to hold onto his empire amid a nasty divorce fight. It's a juicy piece, but one anecdote in particular stands out: that Trump owned a copy of Adolf Hitler's speeches and allegedly read them for inspiration:
"Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist."

I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this. Hitler was a despicable human, but owning his book doesn't mean someone is refuting that statement. Hitler was masterful and persuasive as a speaker and as a writer, and there's no reason to avoid studying his writings because of the nature of the words within.

I don't think the issue is to avoid or not, the issue is when you see a leader use the same methods fascists use.

I'm sorry, but that's a hell of a stretch. If I wanted to learn woodworking, I would seek an opportunity to learn from an expert. Fascist leaders and non-fascist leaders alike are welcome to study great historical speeches and essays to better their own skills of persuasion, and there's no shame in learning from an expert in persuasion and/or using those skills.

Did I just read that there's no shame in using the same persuasion methods that fascists use?

Yes. Fascist dictators must persuade if they wish to have people contribute optimally to a cause, so must I when I want to get the most out of our employees and get us acting as a team. Hitler's content should absolutely be condemned, but his methodologies of persuasion weren't inherently nefarious.

They were inherently nefarious. You're the boss at work and you think adopting the style of a fascist dictator is the way to get the most out your employees? Holy shit is about all I can say.

After a quick browse, I found an article about Hitler's persuasive methods (https://owlcation.com/humanities/Adolf-Hitlers-Tremendous-Persuasive-Ability). These include treating the German people as if they were one entity (promoting groupthink/camaraderie and drawing attention to agreement on values), commanding respect through conveying power or strength through intonation/volume/gestures, reaffirming statuses with effective power-oriented descriptors (the immortal Volk or the dirty Jew), the fallacy (the only technique I deplore since it's primarily used to disseminate false information), the appeal to desire for self-actualization. I truly don't see these as anything different from typically-acceptable persuasion methods, and noble humans have used these same techniques throughout history to achieve positive ends. And I resent your comment about my thinking adopting the style of a fascist dictator is how to attain optimal employee performance: I believe in collaboration amongst all stakeholders, a mandate for respect, and positive reinforcement when it's owed (and I'm lucky enough to work somewhere that it's owed a great deal) - and I don't believe that using any of the persuasive methods listed above would force me to contradict my own beliefs.

benjs said:

Go Beavers said:

benjs said:

Go Beavers said:

benjs said:

Go Beavers said:

benjs said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

vaggar99 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

vaggar99 said:

in all seriousness, i am somewhat disturbed at the misspelling of 'unprecedented'. i'm pretty sure that would have been a word that would have come up in a grade school spelling test or some required reading material. the word 'unpresidented' has never been published. How do you come up with that spelling? Only one way i can think of...you never read the word or read it so few times to not notice the 'ce' in the middle makes it unique enough to where 'precedent' and 'president' are not really close to the same words in appearance. just an observation. there are other tweets

I think it's a hilarious tweet mistake coming from the PE, but people are making wayyyyy too much about it. it's a simple spelling mistake. I highly doubt he actually thought the word was "unpresidented". who knows, maybe he did it on purpose to troll everyone who follows him.

i'd agree except for it comes from someone who thinks/says he's smart. i'm not saying that knowing how to spell well is a differentiating factor, but it does to me say that a person is not well read. i find that to be not only disturbing but dangerous.

i suppose i can just buy into the illusion that T. is smart and every dumb thing he says/does is just another joke on those who hate him. I guess that's what I had to do to get used to GWB. I guess that turned out ok.

it doesn't mean he's not well read. all it means is he doesn't give a shit about spelling mistakes on social media. at this level, he should, but he doesn't give a shit about much, so why would spelling be at the top of the list, or on the list at all?

Marie Brenner's 1990 profile of Donald Trump for Vanity Fair captured the real estate mogul in turmoil, as he struggled to hold onto his empire amid a nasty divorce fight. It's a juicy piece, but one anecdote in particular stands out: that Trump owned a copy of Adolf Hitler's speeches and allegedly read them for inspiration:
"Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist."

I honestly don't see what the big deal is about this. Hitler was a despicable human, but owning his book doesn't mean someone is refuting that statement. Hitler was masterful and persuasive as a speaker and as a writer, and there's no reason to avoid studying his writings because of the nature of the words within.

I don't think the issue is to avoid or not, the issue is when you see a leader use the same methods fascists use.

I'm sorry, but that's a hell of a stretch. If I wanted to learn woodworking, I would seek an opportunity to learn from an expert. Fascist leaders and non-fascist leaders alike are welcome to study great historical speeches and essays to better their own skills of persuasion, and there's no shame in learning from an expert in persuasion and/or using those skills.

Did I just read that there's no shame in using the same persuasion methods that fascists use?

Yes. Fascist dictators must persuade if they wish to have people contribute optimally to a cause, so must I when I want to get the most out of our employees and get us acting as a team. Hitler's content should absolutely be condemned, but his methodologies of persuasion weren't inherently nefarious.

They were inherently nefarious. You're the boss at work and you think adopting the style of a fascist dictator is the way to get the most out your employees? Holy shit is about all I can say.

After a quick browse, I found an article about Hitler's persuasive methods (https://owlcation.com/humanities/Adolf-Hitlers-Tremendous-Persuasive-Ability). These include treating the German people as if they were one entity (promoting groupthink/camaraderie and drawing attention to agreement on values), commanding respect through conveying power or strength through intonation/volume/gestures, reaffirming statuses with effective power-oriented descriptors (the immortal Volk or the dirty Jew), the fallacy (the only technique I deplore since it's primarily used to disseminate false information), the appeal to desire for self-actualization. I truly don't see these as anything different from typically-acceptable persuasion methods, and noble humans have used these same techniques throughout history to achieve positive ends. And I resent your comment about my thinking adopting the style of a fascist dictator is how to attain optimal employee performance: I believe in collaboration amongst all stakeholders, a mandate for respect, and positive reinforcement when it's owed (and I'm lucky enough to work somewhere that it's owed a great deal) - and I don't believe that using any of the persuasive methods listed above would force me to contradict my own beliefs.

It looks like your link put Hitler through the sanitizer, so let's translate those points back to the reality of his persuasion: "one entity" = conformist nationalism. "Commanding respect" =intimidation, aggressive communication, false self-confidence, self-aggrandizing. "Effective power oriented descriptors" = creating prejudice and villainizing other groups. "Fallacy" = creating a struggle that doesn't exist, propaganda. "Self-actualization" = becoming a functioning member of the group and following the group norms, not becoming a better individual.

And I brought up the point about having a management style like a dictator because that's how you worded it, but I appreciate you clarifying.

tbergs said:

vaggar99 said:

in all seriousness, i am somewhat disturbed at the misspelling of 'unprecedented'. i'm pretty sure that would have been a word that would have come up in a grade school spelling test or some required reading material. the word 'unpresidented' has never been published. How do you come up with that spelling? Only one way i can think of...you never read the word or read it so few times to not notice the 'ce' in the middle makes it unique enough to where 'precedent' and 'president' are not really close to the same words in appearance. just an observation. there are other tweets

Samantha Bee summed it up nicely recently; he can't really read. This will be the equivalent of the birther movement conspiracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PT6R9G9jOs

Keep taking credit Donny. Your supporters believe whatever you say. You don't need daily briefings; clearly.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58594304e4b08debb78b0542

JC29856 said:

tbergs said:

Keep taking credit Donny. Your supporters believe whatever you say. You don't need daily briefings; clearly.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58594304e4b08debb78b0542

What about that triggers you?

Ignorance and an obsession with self importance .

oh daddy, your face is so smooth and your hair so golden. you are the chosen one
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3u9vV5Og1DNS09scWs5dHV2eGc