Trump

Jason P · November 2016

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.

Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.

benjs · November 2016

dignin said:

benjs said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
There are no moral baselines that a politician must adhere to - just legal ones. Therefore moral opposition can't prevent a man from being a politician - only legal opposition. I don't understand (nor need to understand) the legalese behind how Trump plans to separate himself from his business holdings, but clever lawyers will be right beside him to see him through this separation, which I trust will be just as much as he is legally obligated to - no more, no less. I'm not sure how this makes me naive.
You said that conflict of interest is off the table. It is not.

Sorry, let me clarify. If he's able to successfully make this legal separation, it will be off the table as grounds for impeachment. I completely agree that in reality the conflict of interest is still there.

JC29856 · November 2016

Degeneratefk said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Liquidate his assets and set up a blind trust. Like other presidents have done when possible conflicts of interest were apparent.

Can't compare him to other presidents, he never held office, most are career politicians.
I'm not sure liquidation is entirely fair to his estate and beneficiaries. How can any liquidation be at arms length?

JC29856 · November 2016

dignin said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
They made those profits after they were out of office. That's a whole different deal than making them while in office.

Hillary opened her tax returns up and was transparent. Trump on the other hand......

The increase in net worth has nothing to her role as sec of state? Nothing to do with her presidential aspirations? WOW!!!

dignin · November 2016

benjs said:

dignin said:

benjs said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
There are no moral baselines that a politician must adhere to - just legal ones. Therefore moral opposition can't prevent a man from being a politician - only legal opposition. I don't understand (nor need to understand) the legalese behind how Trump plans to separate himself from his business holdings, but clever lawyers will be right beside him to see him through this separation, which I trust will be just as much as he is legally obligated to - no more, no less. I'm not sure how this makes me naive.
You said that conflict of interest is off the table. It is not.
Sorry, let me clarify. If he's able to successfully make this legal separation, it will be off the table as grounds for impeachment. I completely agree that in reality the conflict of interest is still there.

Oh, I smell what you're cooking now. I agree.

dignin · November 2016

Jason P said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.
Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.

On the surface that makes sense. But I think the chances of Hillary doing shady shit to line the pockets of her donors is less likely than Trump doing shady shit to line his own pockets. In my opinion, given human nature.

Degeneratefk · November 2016

JC29856 said:

Degeneratefk said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Liquidate his assets and set up a blind trust. Like other presidents have done when possible conflicts of interest were apparent.
Can't compare him to other presidents, he never held office, most are career politicians.
I'm not sure liquidation is entirely fair to his estate and beneficiaries. How can any liquidation be at arms length?

I don't care that he isn't a career politician. Its completely irrelevant to the point. Other presidents have set up blind trusts when there could have been conflicts of interest.

dignin · November 2016

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
They made those profits after they were out of office. That's a whole different deal than making them while in office.

Hillary opened her tax returns up and was transparent. Trump on the other hand......
The increase in net worth has nothing to her role as sec of state? Nothing to do with her presidential aspirations? WOW!!!

Your words.

dignin · November 2016

JC29856 said:

Degeneratefk said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Liquidate his assets and set up a blind trust. Like other presidents have done when possible conflicts of interest were apparent.
Can't compare him to other presidents, he never held office, most are career politicians.
I'm not sure liquidation is entirely fair to his estate and beneficiaries. How can any liquidation be at arms length?

He should have thought of that before he ran. And you should have considered that before you voted for him.

dignin · November 2016

Degeneratefk said:

JC29856 said:

Degeneratefk said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Liquidate his assets and set up a blind trust. Like other presidents have done when possible conflicts of interest were apparent.
Can't compare him to other presidents, he never held office, most are career politicians.
I'm not sure liquidation is entirely fair to his estate and beneficiaries. How can any liquidation be at arms length?
I don't care that he isn't a career politician. Its completely irrelevant to the point. Other presidents have set up blind trusts when there could have been conflicts of interest.

Exactly. I couldn't give a shit about what is fair to his estate or beneficiaries.

CM189191 · November 2016

Jason P said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.
Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.

Trump didn't fund his own campaign. He loaned the money to his campaign. Then used campaign money to pay his family and himself for planes & hotels. Trump's campaign is still asking for donors to help repay the loan back to Trump.

Gern Blansten · November 2016

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
They made those profits after they were out of office. That's a whole different deal than making them while in office.

Hillary opened her tax returns up and was transparent. Trump on the other hand......
The increase in net worth has nothing to her role as sec of state? Nothing to do with her presidential aspirations? WOW!!!

Review the tax returns...most income due to Bill's speeches/consulting

bootlegger10 · November 2016

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
They made those profits after they were out of office. That's a whole different deal than making them while in office.

Hillary opened her tax returns up and was transparent. Trump on the other hand......
The increase in net worth has nothing to her role as sec of state? Nothing to do with her presidential aspirations? WOW!!!
Review the tax returns...most income due to Bill's speeches/consulting

Will be interesting to see what happens to their income now that they have little influence in politics.

If Mrs. Trump were to start getting 200k a speech, you wouldn't suspect there would be any tie to the fact that her husband is a president and it would be good to have him as a friend?

tbergs · November 2016

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
They made those profits after they were out of office. That's a whole different deal than making them while in office.

Hillary opened her tax returns up and was transparent. Trump on the other hand......
The increase in net worth has nothing to her role as sec of state? Nothing to do with her presidential aspirations? WOW!!!
Review the tax returns...most income due to Bill's speeches/consulting
Will be interesting to see what happens to their income now that they have little influence in politics.

Pretty sure they'll do just fine. People will always pay big money for an ex president and SoS to speak. The real question is, will either of them be interested in it at all any more or just go into quiet isolation after this whole recount fiasco is over.

Jason P · November 2016

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.
Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.
Trump didn't fund his own campaign. He loaned the money to his campaign. Then used campaign money to pay his family and himself for planes & hotels. Trump's campaign is still asking for donors to help repay the loan back to Trump.

Regardless, he owes no special interest groups or lobbyist anything. They figured he was toast and focused on congressional backing.

He owes the GOP nothing. They wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poll until after he won.

Hillary owes (if she won) a lot of people a lot of favors.

Gern Blansten · November 2016

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.
Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.
Trump didn't fund his own campaign. He loaned the money to his campaign. Then used campaign money to pay his family and himself for planes & hotels. Trump's campaign is still asking for donors to help repay the loan back to Trump.
Regardless, he owes no special interest groups or lobbyist anything. They figured he was toast and focused on congressional backing.

He owes the GOP nothing. They wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poll until after he won.

Hillary owes (if she won) a lot of people a lot of favors.

Horseshit....there were plenty of donations that he owes favors for

JC29856 · November 2016

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
They made those profits after they were out of office. That's a whole different deal than making them while in office.

Hillary opened her tax returns up and was transparent. Trump on the other hand......
The increase in net worth has nothing to her role as sec of state? Nothing to do with her presidential aspirations? WOW!!!
Review the tax returns...most income due to Bill's speeches/consulting

I'll wait to compare Bill's income from 2012-2015 to 2016-2019!

JC29856 · November 2016

Allot of anger on here but lets not forget so quickly...the American electorate didn't care so much about narcissism, ego, "ESP" allegations, tax returns or conflicts of interest, they care about quality of life.

CM189191 · November 2016

Jason P said:

CM189191 said:

Jason P said:

Go Beavers said:

Jason P said:

dignin said:

JC29856 said:

dignin said:

benjs said:
Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.
You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
What do you suggest he do?
Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.
Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.
Trump didn't fund his own campaign. He loaned the money to his campaign. Then used campaign money to pay his family and himself for planes & hotels. Trump's campaign is still asking for donors to help repay the loan back to Trump.
Regardless, he owes no special interest groups or lobbyist anything. They figured he was toast and focused on congressional backing.

He owes the GOP nothing. They wouldn't touch him with a ten foot poll until after he won.

Hillary owes (if she won) a lot of people a lot of favors.

Really? Who do you think the donors are that will shore up those loans now? Who do you think is paying for his victory tour?

BS44325 · November 2016

my2hands said:
I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

Yes...the genocide in Syria is such a breath of fresh air.

Trump

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