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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,156
    CM189191 said:

    More tax breaks and companies will only lay off half it's employees? That's not how economic growth works.
    This is a temporary solution. I'd give it 4 years before they lay off the rest who were "saved".
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • BS44325 said:

    Barack Obama
    Come on. Get serious.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,250
    edited November 2016

    Trump clearly is a narcissist. To try and deny it makes the person look like they're just trying to avoid the reality of what we're dealing with.
    I don't think you understood my point. I'm not trying to accept or refute Trump being a narcissist, I'm questioning the value of the question. If he's a narcissist, then what? Many people will be upset by this revelation (the ones who somehow couldn't see this yet), he will still not be in violation of any law, and he will still become President in two months.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited November 2016
    I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

    I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

    I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    my2hands said:

    I'm reading through some of the hawks on here chirp about "Obama failed foreign policy"

    I guess you want American troops on the ground in Syria? Maybe we should have gone into Crimea

    I frankly find Obamas restrained foreign policy of the last 8 years to be a breath of fresh air... all of the conflicts and issues in the world are not America's problem, they aren't my problem, and they sure as fuck aren't some 18 year old Americans problem to die for

    Restrained foreign policy? Compared to what? Bush?
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,250
    tbergs said:

    But yet Hillary was evil because of pay to play....people only care about what they want when it serves their purpose or advances their agenda.
    I don't think I said a word about good or evil, and I certainly didn't speak to the man's character - just his likely course of action based on simple logic. In addition, I don't know if you've seen my history here, but I've been vocal about my disdain for both Trump and Clinton.

    What I care about is that a mobilization effort is done in a way that is well-defined in both purpose (what are we trying to accomplish), and process (how do we accomplish it). Without these two ingredients, a mobilization effort is doomed to fail (i.e. I want a million dollars, yet have no plan to obtain it - and therefore will not be able to will a million dollars in my pocket into existence). People here have certainly defined a purpose: they don't want Trump in office because (pick any of: foreign affair policies, legitimization of racism/sexism/xenophobia, domestic policies, interventionist stances). As for process, people here are not thinking critically the way Trump's team probably is right now. I would bet money that Trump's team has identified the potential paths for impeachment/dismissal and are looking for the ways to make those paths disappear: for example, legal separation (and that's all it needs to be) between Trump and his businesses will strike one of those paths off the list.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited November 2016
    Can anyone guess the total amount of bombs dropped by Obama on these 7 countries, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and Libya?
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,425
    benjs said:

    Trump just announced over Twitter that he'll be "leaving his businesses in total". https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - so vaggar, that should take the conflict of interest angle off the table.

    You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
    What do you suggest he do?
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    JC29856 said:

    Restrained foreign policy? Compared to what? Bush?
    Yep.
    And compared to the man you campaigned for, our national shame, Trump.
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  • InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    edited November 2016
    BS44325 said:

    Barack Obama
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,425
    JC29856 said:

    What do you suggest he do?
    Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

    Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,250
    dignin said:

    You are sounding very naive. That does not take conflict of interest off the table in the least.
    There are no moral baselines that a politician must adhere to - just legal ones. Therefore moral opposition can't prevent a man from being a politician - only legal opposition. I don't understand (nor need to understand) the legalese behind how Trump plans to separate himself from his business holdings, but clever lawyers will be right beside him to see him through this separation, which I trust will be just as much as he is legally obligated to - no more, no less. I'm not sure how this makes me naive.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,368
    PJPOWER said:

    I'm trying to think of a recent presidential that would not rate pretty high on the narcicism scale...anyone that tries to deny this is out of touch with reality and may want to be tested for schizophrenia.
    Narcissism is different than self-important, self-centered, or have an inflated ego. Anyone trying to deny trump's pathology is in denial. The denial is understandable based on the fact that we have a disturbed person in a position of such power.
  • InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623

    Knowing all you know about this man do you believe him ?
    This is "Read my lips" from Bush Sr. all over again. I ain't buying it from POTUS elect Bad Grandpa.
  • JC29856 said:

    What do you suggest he do?
    Liquidate his assets and set up a blind trust. Like other presidents have done when possible conflicts of interest were apparent.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,184
    dignin said:

    Not be president. The man is incapable of not using this power to line his pockets, and the pockets of his family.

    Maybe you should have thought that conflict of interest through before you voted for a con man who is going to steal from you.
    To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,425
    benjs said:

    There are no moral baselines that a politician must adhere to - just legal ones. Therefore moral opposition can't prevent a man from being a politician - only legal opposition. I don't understand (nor need to understand) the legalese behind how Trump plans to separate himself from his business holdings, but clever lawyers will be right beside him to see him through this separation, which I trust will be just as much as he is legally obligated to - no more, no less. I'm not sure how this makes me naive.
    You said that conflict of interest is off the table. It is not.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,425
    Jason P said:

    To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
    They made those profits after they were out of office. That's a whole different deal than making them while in office.

    Hillary opened her tax returns up and was transparent. Trump on the other hand......
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,368
    Jason P said:

    To be fair, Hillary would do the same thing. Clintons went from a net worth of $700K in 1992 to $110M today.
    You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,184

    You're saying trump's business dealings and how he operates is the same as Clinton's? Come on.
    Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,250
    dignin said:

    You said that conflict of interest is off the table. It is not.
    Sorry, let me clarify. If he's able to successfully make this legal separation, it will be off the table as grounds for impeachment. I completely agree that in reality the conflict of interest is still there.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617

    Liquidate his assets and set up a blind trust. Like other presidents have done when possible conflicts of interest were apparent.
    Can't compare him to other presidents, he never held office, most are career politicians.
    I'm not sure liquidation is entirely fair to his estate and beneficiaries. How can any liquidation be at arms length?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    They made those profits after they were out of office. That's a whole different deal than making them while in office.

    Hillary opened her tax returns up and was transparent. Trump on the other hand......
    The increase in net worth has nothing to her role as sec of state? Nothing to do with her presidential aspirations? WOW!!!
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,425
    benjs said:

    Sorry, let me clarify. If he's able to successfully make this legal separation, it will be off the table as grounds for impeachment. I completely agree that in reality the conflict of interest is still there.
    Oh, I smell what you're cooking now. I agree.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,425
    Jason P said:

    Hillary's business dealings are with those that funded her and were counting on her to win so she could provide influence in their best interests. I would say her conflict of interest is much more then Trump as he self-funded most of his campaign.
    On the surface that makes sense. But I think the chances of Hillary doing shady shit to line the pockets of her donors is less likely than Trump doing shady shit to line his own pockets. In my opinion, given human nature.
  • JC29856 said:

    Can't compare him to other presidents, he never held office, most are career politicians.
    I'm not sure liquidation is entirely fair to his estate and beneficiaries. How can any liquidation be at arms length?
    I don't care that he isn't a career politician. Its completely irrelevant to the point. Other presidents have set up blind trusts when there could have been conflicts of interest.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,425
    JC29856 said:

    The increase in net worth has nothing to her role as sec of state? Nothing to do with her presidential aspirations? WOW!!!
    Your words.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,425
    JC29856 said:

    Can't compare him to other presidents, he never held office, most are career politicians.
    I'm not sure liquidation is entirely fair to his estate and beneficiaries. How can any liquidation be at arms length?
    He should have thought of that before he ran. And you should have considered that before you voted for him.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,425

    I don't care that he isn't a career politician. Its completely irrelevant to the point. Other presidents have set up blind trusts when there could have been conflicts of interest.
    Exactly. I couldn't give a shit about what is fair to his estate or beneficiaries.
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