Hillary won more votes for President

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited November 2016
    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Hillary Clinton lost the election in the Midwest. Donald Trump won 50 Midwestern electoral votes that went to Barack Obama in 2012 -- Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio -- plus 20 more in Pennsylvania, where the two-thirds of voters beyond metro Philadelphia are Midwestern in culture and concerns. Trump could have lost Florida and still won.

    In the popular vote, Clinton came close to equaling Obama's 2012 percentages in the South and not-yet-fully-counted West, and her 4 percent drop in the Northeast cost her no electoral votes. But in the Midwest and Pennsylvania, the Democratic presidential percentage dropped from 54 percent in 2008 and 51 percent in 2012 to 45 percent in 2016.

    Yep. There shouldn't be any doubt. This wasn't Comey or Wiki or Sexism or Third Parties. None of those things helped, certainly, but none of them caused this defeat, either. Campaign strategy and messaging, more than anything else, led to Donald Trump.
    I don't believe that. She lost a few of those states by really close margins. To say that the FBI, or hacked emails, or sexism, or third parties didn't account for those lost close margins is ignoring a big part of the story.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,619
    dignin said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Hillary Clinton lost the election in the Midwest. Donald Trump won 50 Midwestern electoral votes that went to Barack Obama in 2012 -- Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio -- plus 20 more in Pennsylvania, where the two-thirds of voters beyond metro Philadelphia are Midwestern in culture and concerns. Trump could have lost Florida and still won.

    In the popular vote, Clinton came close to equaling Obama's 2012 percentages in the South and not-yet-fully-counted West, and her 4 percent drop in the Northeast cost her no electoral votes. But in the Midwest and Pennsylvania, the Democratic presidential percentage dropped from 54 percent in 2008 and 51 percent in 2012 to 45 percent in 2016.

    Yep. There shouldn't be any doubt. This wasn't Comey or Wiki or Sexism or Third Parties. None of those things helped, certainly, but none of them caused this defeat, either. Campaign strategy and messaging, more than anything else, led to Donald Trump.
    I don't believe that. She lost a few of those states by really close margins. To say that the FBI, or hacked emails, or sexism, or third parties didn't account for those lost close margins is ignoring a big part of the story.
    I hear what you are saying. As I said, none of those things helped her. Even still, she ran up a huge margin in the popular vote despite all the negatives. We didn't see these things impact her significantly nationwide. Their strategy was to target Republican women. It didn't work, perhaps in part because of the factors listed above. But their strategy was also to write off the so-called deplorables, and to take Wisconsin and Michigan for granted. That is what I believe killed them in the end.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    JimmyV said:

    dignin said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Hillary Clinton lost the election in the Midwest. Donald Trump won 50 Midwestern electoral votes that went to Barack Obama in 2012 -- Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio -- plus 20 more in Pennsylvania, where the two-thirds of voters beyond metro Philadelphia are Midwestern in culture and concerns. Trump could have lost Florida and still won.

    In the popular vote, Clinton came close to equaling Obama's 2012 percentages in the South and not-yet-fully-counted West, and her 4 percent drop in the Northeast cost her no electoral votes. But in the Midwest and Pennsylvania, the Democratic presidential percentage dropped from 54 percent in 2008 and 51 percent in 2012 to 45 percent in 2016.

    Yep. There shouldn't be any doubt. This wasn't Comey or Wiki or Sexism or Third Parties. None of those things helped, certainly, but none of them caused this defeat, either. Campaign strategy and messaging, more than anything else, led to Donald Trump.
    I don't believe that. She lost a few of those states by really close margins. To say that the FBI, or hacked emails, or sexism, or third parties didn't account for those lost close margins is ignoring a big part of the story.
    I hear what you are saying. As I said, none of those things helped her. Even still, she ran up a huge margin in the popular vote despite all the negatives. We didn't see these things impact her significantly nationwide. Their strategy was to target Republican women. It didn't work, perhaps in part because of the factors listed above. But their strategy was also to write off the so-called deplorables, and to take Wisconsin and Michigan for granted. That is what I believe killed them in the end.
    I don't disagree.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited November 2016
    15 minutes..listen to this. Obama legacy and what Hilliary hitched her wagon to. Also talks about electoral college.
    We're supposed to fear Donny.
    To quote dice clay: its fuckin beautiful!


    https://youtu.be/DrqAUebq6Ic
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited November 2016
    ^^^
    In that video 9:55-10:05
    Is this not what this man is doing too?
    If you hate something.......
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,871
    JimmyV said:

    dignin said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Hillary Clinton lost the election in the Midwest. Donald Trump won 50 Midwestern electoral votes that went to Barack Obama in 2012 -- Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio -- plus 20 more in Pennsylvania, where the two-thirds of voters beyond metro Philadelphia are Midwestern in culture and concerns. Trump could have lost Florida and still won.

    In the popular vote, Clinton came close to equaling Obama's 2012 percentages in the South and not-yet-fully-counted West, and her 4 percent drop in the Northeast cost her no electoral votes. But in the Midwest and Pennsylvania, the Democratic presidential percentage dropped from 54 percent in 2008 and 51 percent in 2012 to 45 percent in 2016.

    Yep. There shouldn't be any doubt. This wasn't Comey or Wiki or Sexism or Third Parties. None of those things helped, certainly, but none of them caused this defeat, either. Campaign strategy and messaging, more than anything else, led to Donald Trump.
    I don't believe that. She lost a few of those states by really close margins. To say that the FBI, or hacked emails, or sexism, or third parties didn't account for those lost close margins is ignoring a big part of the story.
    I hear what you are saying. As I said, none of those things helped her. Even still, she ran up a huge margin in the popular vote despite all the negatives. We didn't see these things impact her significantly nationwide. Their strategy was to target Republican women. It didn't work, perhaps in part because of the factors listed above. But their strategy was also to write off the so-called deplorables, and to take Wisconsin and Michigan for granted. That is what I believe killed them in the end.
    And as it turns out the national polls weren't too far off...
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Gern Blansten said:

    JimmyV said:

    dignin said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Hillary Clinton lost the election in the Midwest. Donald Trump won 50 Midwestern electoral votes that went to Barack Obama in 2012 -- Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio -- plus 20 more in Pennsylvania, where the two-thirds of voters beyond metro Philadelphia are Midwestern in culture and concerns. Trump could have lost Florida and still won.

    In the popular vote, Clinton came close to equaling Obama's 2012 percentages in the South and not-yet-fully-counted West, and her 4 percent drop in the Northeast cost her no electoral votes. But in the Midwest and Pennsylvania, the Democratic presidential percentage dropped from 54 percent in 2008 and 51 percent in 2012 to 45 percent in 2016.

    Yep. There shouldn't be any doubt. This wasn't Comey or Wiki or Sexism or Third Parties. None of those things helped, certainly, but none of them caused this defeat, either. Campaign strategy and messaging, more than anything else, led to Donald Trump.
    I don't believe that. She lost a few of those states by really close margins. To say that the FBI, or hacked emails, or sexism, or third parties didn't account for those lost close margins is ignoring a big part of the story.
    I hear what you are saying. As I said, none of those things helped her. Even still, she ran up a huge margin in the popular vote despite all the negatives. We didn't see these things impact her significantly nationwide. Their strategy was to target Republican women. It didn't work, perhaps in part because of the factors listed above. But their strategy was also to write off the so-called deplorables, and to take Wisconsin and Michigan for granted. That is what I believe killed them in the end.
    And as it turns out the national polls weren't too far off...
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    JC29856 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    JimmyV said:

    dignin said:

    JimmyV said:

    JC29856 said:

    Hillary Clinton lost the election in the Midwest. Donald Trump won 50 Midwestern electoral votes that went to Barack Obama in 2012 -- Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio -- plus 20 more in Pennsylvania, where the two-thirds of voters beyond metro Philadelphia are Midwestern in culture and concerns. Trump could have lost Florida and still won.

    In the popular vote, Clinton came close to equaling Obama's 2012 percentages in the South and not-yet-fully-counted West, and her 4 percent drop in the Northeast cost her no electoral votes. But in the Midwest and Pennsylvania, the Democratic presidential percentage dropped from 54 percent in 2008 and 51 percent in 2012 to 45 percent in 2016.

    Yep. There shouldn't be any doubt. This wasn't Comey or Wiki or Sexism or Third Parties. None of those things helped, certainly, but none of them caused this defeat, either. Campaign strategy and messaging, more than anything else, led to Donald Trump.
    I don't believe that. She lost a few of those states by really close margins. To say that the FBI, or hacked emails, or sexism, or third parties didn't account for those lost close margins is ignoring a big part of the story.
    I hear what you are saying. As I said, none of those things helped her. Even still, she ran up a huge margin in the popular vote despite all the negatives. We didn't see these things impact her significantly nationwide. Their strategy was to target Republican women. It didn't work, perhaps in part because of the factors listed above. But their strategy was also to write off the so-called deplorables, and to take Wisconsin and Michigan for granted. That is what I believe killed them in the end.
    And as it turns out the national polls weren't too far off...
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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    is winning more votes but losing the electorate like a consolation prize or participation trophy?

    by the way that picture up top is awesome :lol:
  • lolobugg
    lolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,195
    what is fox news on that chart?

    Before: a sheep
    After: a micro-organism

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    lolobugg said:

    what is fox news on that chart?

    Before: a sheep
    After: a micro-organism

    I would say
    Before: an angry old white male
    After: cover of Vs album
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,619
    JC29856 said:

    lolobugg said:

    what is fox news on that chart?

    Before: a sheep
    After: a micro-organism

    I would say
    Before: an angry old white male
    After: cover of Vs album
    Ha!
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  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjxBgZV2__k
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,634
    edited November 2016
    While we're on the subject of sheep...
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  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    When Wolf and Anderson and the rest of the Clinton News Network went to trump towers I wonder if Don's phallus was really dry
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTojj-F0l5I
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,619
    1,754,487

    That is a staggering, ludicrous, almost impossible to comprehend number. It will be close to 2 million by the time every vote is counted.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Yet it still doesn't change the outcome.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    JimmyV said:

    1,754,487
    That is a staggering, ludicrous, almost impossible to comprehend number. It will be close to 2 million by the time every vote is counted.

    I can't tell if you are trolling or not.
    Come back from the range the election is over.
    Time for dinner.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,619
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    JimmyV said:

    1,754,487
    That is a staggering, ludicrous, almost impossible to comprehend number. It will be close to 2 million by the time every vote is counted.

    I can't tell if you are trolling or not.
    Come back from the range the election is over.
    Time for dinner.
    If you are confused about what trolling is I might suggest checking your post history.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    I was being serious.
    You are just stating numbers that mean nothing and will not bring Hillary back.
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