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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The Bernie Effect
    51% republicans voted against Hilliary vs 41% democrats voted against Trump
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    Bingo!
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
    The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    unsung said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
    The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
    obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    polaris_x said:

    unsung said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
    The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
    obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
    popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump

    this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    edited November 2016
    pjalive21 said:

    polaris_x said:

    unsung said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
    The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
    obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
    popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump

    this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
    it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...

    as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,619
    1,341,642 more votes for Clinton than Trump as of this writing.

    It wasn't a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Donald Trump. It was an almost unimaginably mismanaged Clinton campaign that gave us Donald Trump.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,619
    polaris_x said:

    pjalive21 said:

    polaris_x said:

    unsung said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
    The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
    obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
    popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump

    this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
    it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...

    as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
    This is true. Many people would have the exact opposite opinion they hold today if the result went the other way. The Slate images posted above are evidence of that. So too was Republicans screaming bloody murder about the Electoral College in 2012 when they thought Romney was going to be foiled by it. That is partisanship.

    I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    polaris_x said:

    pjalive21 said:

    polaris_x said:

    unsung said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
    The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
    obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
    popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump

    this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
    it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...

    as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
    exactly what I've been saying since this came up. michael moore would be singing its praises, or just keeping his mouth shut, had Hillary won the EC and lost the popular. And Trump would be reiterating his stance from 2012, that the EC is a disaster for democracy. and his supporters would be saying the same, just as hillary's are now.
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Just an observation:

    Pre election the trump thread was buzzing
    Post election the Hilliary thread is buzzing
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    JimmyV said:

    polaris_x said:

    pjalive21 said:

    polaris_x said:

    unsung said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
    The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
    obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
    popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump

    this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
    it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...

    as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
    This is true. Many people would have the exact opposite opinion they hold today if the result went the other way. The Slate images posted above are evidence of that. So too was Republicans screaming bloody murder about the Electoral College in 2012 when they thought Romney was going to be foiled by it. That is partisanship.

    I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.
    again ... the issue here isn't a choice between EC and Popular vote ... the issue is what is in the best interests of americans? ... is it an electoral system that ultimately breeds and perpetuates a two-party system that ultimately results in partisan politicking!?? ...
  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    http://nypost.com/2016/11/17/switzerland-not-so-neutral-with-clinton-foundation-donation/

    Cash Rulez Everything Around Me C.R.E.A.M. get da money dolla dolla bill ya'lllllllllll
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Hilliary Kaine 2016 - 62M votes
    McCain Palin 2008 - 60M votes
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Gern Blansten said:

    The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....

    Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me. ;)

    Did some folks get banned or something?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    dignin said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....

    Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me. ;)

    Did some folks get banned or something?
    Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....

    Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me. ;)

    Did some folks get banned or something?
    Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".
    click on a member's name. brings you to their profile page. if they are banned, you'll see a bold red "BANNED" next to their name.
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....

    Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me. ;)

    Did some folks get banned or something?
    Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".
    click on a member's name. brings you to their profile page. if they are banned, you'll see a bold red "BANNED" next to their name.
    Never knew that...thxs
    I never thought of engaging in pj forum member recon.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....

    Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me. ;)

    Did some folks get banned or something?
    Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".
    click on a member's name. brings you to their profile page. if they are banned, you'll see a bold red "BANNED" next to their name.
    Never knew that...thxs
    I never thought of engaging in pj forum member recon.
    occasionally I've checked if the person posts regularly and then all of a sudden is AWOL.
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,619
    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    polaris_x said:

    pjalive21 said:

    polaris_x said:

    unsung said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
    The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
    obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
    popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump

    this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
    it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...

    as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
    This is true. Many people would have the exact opposite opinion they hold today if the result went the other way. The Slate images posted above are evidence of that. So too was Republicans screaming bloody murder about the Electoral College in 2012 when they thought Romney was going to be foiled by it. That is partisanship.

    I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.
    again ... the issue here isn't a choice between EC and Popular vote ... the issue is what is in the best interests of americans? ... is it an electoral system that ultimately breeds and perpetuates a two-party system that ultimately results in partisan politicking!?? ...
    Would a multi-party system result in less partisanship? Would anyone necessarily be less attached to their party if there were more choices? Maybe they would, I don't know. Trump winning was the most surprising result of this election but second most was how relatively few people fled to the Libertarians and the Greens. With the top two being so unlikable this seemed like a year ready made for a third party to grab a foothold.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,117
    JimmyV said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    polaris_x said:

    pjalive21 said:

    polaris_x said:

    unsung said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
    The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
    obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
    popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump

    this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
    it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...

    as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
    This is true. Many people would have the exact opposite opinion they hold today if the result went the other way. The Slate images posted above are evidence of that. So too was Republicans screaming bloody murder about the Electoral College in 2012 when they thought Romney was going to be foiled by it. That is partisanship.

    I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.
    again ... the issue here isn't a choice between EC and Popular vote ... the issue is what is in the best interests of americans? ... is it an electoral system that ultimately breeds and perpetuates a two-party system that ultimately results in partisan politicking!?? ...
    Would a multi-party system result in less partisanship? Would anyone necessarily be less attached to their party if there were more choices? Maybe they would, I don't know. Trump winning was the most surprising result of this election but second most was how relatively few people fled to the Libertarians and the Greens. With the top two being so unlikable this seemed like a year ready made for a third party to grab a foothold.
    multi party systems aren't all they're cracked up to be. it can mean, and what it did mean in Canada not long ago, was that everyone had a piece, no one had a majority, and ZERO got done.
    Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer



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