According to Conway the incoming Trump administration has no plans to pursue further investigations of Hillary Clinton. So he campaigned on this issue knowing there was nothing there. He promised his supporters he would appoint a special prosecutor knowing there was nothing there. And the Democrats handed him the issue by running her. Unreal.
He isn't going to build a wall either. Or do 95% of the crap he promised to. Which pretty much follows tradition of candidates not doing anything they promised to voters.
I denounce that behavior and am certain they represent a fringe not the 61M that voted trump.
Denounce all you want, but that gesture is insignificant. The extreme element here might be fringe, but the moderates are numerically significant. It's pretty safe to say that the people who ticked the box for Trump weren't doing it because they liked the fact he's orange, offensive, poorly spoken, a cheat, a serial liar, and a sex offender: his overt racist attitudes that has the KKK high fiving and waiting for America to be great again works for many that aren't so open about their levels of racism.
So the Black Panthers were out if full force for Obama, does that mean Obama is a racist?
and where is your factual evidence Trump is a racist?
man there is actual racism in this world and the left just throws that word out when they have nothing else to hold onto
How about his policies towards renting to black people? Does that serve as evidence? Or do you need pictures of him in a stupid hat at a rally where they burn crosses?
where is the hard evidence of that?
and the way you spread the lies is the same crap this clip does from CNN...what more does this guy have to do to denounce racism? put David Dukes head on a post?
Denouncing it doesn't change the fact that a segment of his base is racist.
there are bad apples in every group i completely agree with you...im sure a segment of Obama and HRC supporters were the same
Does Trump say stupid stuff, yes...is he a racist, no
Yeah except for that dept of justice thing related to not renting to blacks....
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Honest question. Would you rather a meeting as reported above or meetings Obama had with media elites coordinating stories and talking points?
I would prefer no meetings at all between the president and the media, aside from press conferences. However, I find a president who is trying to tell the media what not to report and how not to report it (or how to) a hell of a lot more disturbing than a president schmoozing with them but not telling them what they should and shouldn't report. That said, I have no clue if that first article is accurate or not. It certainly sounds like something Trump would do, but it seems like most aren't willing to make those claims.
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I denounce that behavior and am certain they represent a fringe not the 61M that voted trump.
Denounce all you want, but that gesture is insignificant. The extreme element here might be fringe, but the moderates are numerically significant. It's pretty safe to say that the people who ticked the box for Trump weren't doing it because they liked the fact he's orange, offensive, poorly spoken, a cheat, a serial liar, and a sex offender: his overt racist attitudes that has the KKK high fiving and waiting for America to be great again works for many that aren't so open about their levels of racism.
So the Black Panthers were out if full force for Obama, does that mean Obama is a racist?
and where is your factual evidence Trump is a racist?
man there is actual racism in this world and the left just throws that word out when they have nothing else to hold onto
How about his policies towards renting to black people? Does that serve as evidence? Or do you need pictures of him in a stupid hat at a rally where they burn crosses?
where is the hard evidence of that?
and the way you spread the lies is the same crap this clip does from CNN...what more does this guy have to do to denounce racism? put David Dukes head on a post?
I'm completely disheartened by a lack of personal accountability, and that so much energy is being exerted on blaming others. There are only a few reasons people voted Trump: they preferred Trump to Clinton (based on the net 'good' seen in Trump being stronger than the net 'good' seen in Clinton - including perception of ideals, personality, ideas, follow-through, and allegiance to the people), or they preferred Republican policies to Democratic policies. Instead of discussing the dumbest or brightest states (which seems a divisive idea), or insulting the intelligence or personalities of Trump voters - it's time to try to empathize with them, teach them on why their premises or conclusions are flawed, and be prepared to learn from them as they do the same to you - and not through fallacious or sensationalized arguments, but by reasonable logic-driven debate.
In addition, I think that people need to recognize that a major theme of this election was that the US government is not perceived to be representing the people adequately, and thus needs reform. The fact that less than half of the country voted implies that a good chunk of Americans do not feel empowered enough to bring change. Without the perception of empowerment, people are demotivated and demoralized to the point of creating a reality which does not possess collective power. It's hard to combat this perception after years of feeling that way, but I think that would be something worth uniting the Divided States over, and would produce tangible changes in distribution of power.
If you felt this was an annoying rant, I apologize for wasting your time - but I hope someone got something out of it. Just had to get it off my chest.
There is some truth to this post, but I need to point out that when you say, "Instead of discussing the dumbest or brightest states (which seems a divisive idea), or insulting the intelligence or personalities of Trump voters - it's time to try to empathize with them, teach them on why their premises or conclusions are flawed..." you're kind of speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
You're denouncing speaking to the character of the 'dumb' Trump voter, while at the same time eloquently saying the same thing.
That wasn't my intention at all, and I don't think I alluded to the intelligence of a Trump voter at all. Right after the portion that you quoted, I acknowledged that Trump voters will attempt to teach non-Trump voters on why their premises or conclusions are flawed too, which are the only logical means of debating I've heard: debate the validity of the premise, or the conclusion.
you didn't. it was a very unbiased approach. everyone here can learn a thing or two from this perspective.
"the left says/does this" "the right says/does that"
STFU and just state what you believe, not constantly whine about what you think the entire half of the population does wrong. Jesus people, this isn't 3rd grade.
You've changed your tune? The moment the results were in... you were flabbergasted and have been so since.
And for the record, I'm neither left or right in the proverbial sense. I have many stances that the right strongly supports and I have many stances that the left strongly supports.
Have you noticed that the Trump supporters are more or less rationalizing their successful candidate in what typically sounds more and more like an apology?
and as to your last question, of course they are doing that. the left did the same shit with hillary's supposed corruption all the way through. both sides do it. both sides will continue to do it. the problem as I see it is both sides thinking they are superior to the other. they aren't. as @unsung has stated, and i've seen online countless times, right wing and left wing are both still attached to the same bird.
I'm neither left nor right as defined by politics either. socially left, fiscally right.
But the US bird is an ostrich, because neither wing wants to cooperate and work in unison to fly...
If basis of calling trump racist is that trump at 27 along with his father settled a lawsuit about not renting to blacks, then that is a really really really bigly bigly bigly weak argument! Serious, is there anything else? Like more concrete or more recent?
If basis of calling trump racist is that trump at 27 along with his father settled a lawsuit about not renting to blacks, then that is a really really really bigly bigly bigly weak argument! Serious, is there anything else? Like more concrete or more recent?
Why don't you lay out your requirements for determining if someone's racist, first?
If basis of calling trump racist is that trump at 27 along with his father settled a lawsuit about not renting to blacks, then that is a really really really bigly bigly bigly weak argument! Serious, is there anything else? Like more concrete or more recent?
You mean pictures wearing a pointed hat at a demonstration? I'm not sure.
Maybe those allegations back then were false. I guess even if they were accurate... he learned tolerance (or to be more careful speaking about the minority folk... one of the two maybe).
I'm coming around. He probably is a fantastic guy.
So Trump went after NBC for posting a picture of him with a double chin? We're fucked folks...
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So Trump went after NBC for posting a picture of him with a double chin? We're fucked folks...
It's terribly disturbing. Trump seems to think that the job of the press is to make him look good and come off as a great man (which is impossible). On the bright side, I don't think the press is going to stand for this bullshit, and Trump doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to this issue specifically... However, that he THINKS this is disturbing in and of itself. All these executive orders that he's planning the second he gets into office demonstrate what a nightmare he is.
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If basis of calling trump racist is that trump at 27 along with his father settled a lawsuit about not renting to blacks, then that is a really really really bigly bigly bigly weak argument! Serious, is there anything else? Like more concrete or more recent?
Why don't you lay out your requirements for determining if someone's racist, first?
That's your retort rebuttal?
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So Trump went after NBC for posting a picture of him with a double chin? We're fucked folks...
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So Trump went after NBC for posting a picture of him with a double chin? We're fucked folks...
He is going to harass the press for the next 4 years whether right or wrong (borderline dictaorial)...the CNN clip that was posted the previous page from The Morning Joe they discussed it and actually backed him on this and even tho freedom of the press is something i back they kind of made their bed and have to lay in it with Trump
So Trump went after NBC for posting a picture of him with a double chin? We're fucked folks...
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Yup, it's the ONLY thing that matters to him. He already misses the adoration he found during his campaign rallies. He want's to keep holding them as President FFS, just so that people can come and cheer him. It's unbelievably troubling.
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If basis of calling trump racist is that trump at 27 along with his father settled a lawsuit about not renting to blacks, then that is a really really really bigly bigly bigly weak argument! Serious, is there anything else? Like more concrete or more recent?
You mean pictures wearing a pointed hat at a demonstration? I'm not sure.
Maybe those allegations back then were false. I guess even if they were accurate... he learned tolerance (or to be more careful speaking about the minority folk... one of the two maybe).
I'm coming around. He probably is a fantastic guy.
If basis of calling trump racist is that trump at 27 along with his father settled a lawsuit about not renting to blacks, then that is a really really really bigly bigly bigly weak argument! Serious, is there anything else? Like more concrete or more recent?
Why don't you lay out your requirements for determining if someone's racist, first?
That's your retort rebuttal?
Retort rebuttal? Confusion befuddle?
I'm more interested in people's resistance to acknowledging and discussing racism at this point, which is what you're doing. Trump's racism has been outlined in this thread. You're obviously not wanting to look at how racism applies to trump. Why is that?
If basis of calling trump racist is that trump at 27 along with his father settled a lawsuit about not renting to blacks, then that is a really really really bigly bigly bigly weak argument! Serious, is there anything else? Like more concrete or more recent?
Why don't you lay out your requirements for determining if someone's racist, first?
That's your retort rebuttal?
Retort rebuttal? Confusion befuddle?
I'm more interested in people's resistance to acknowledging and discussing racism at this point, which is what you're doing. Trump's racism has been outlined in this thread. You're obviously not wanting to look at how racism applies to trump. Why is that?
Ok...well do the board a favor and simply list 2 other examples of trump racism? We have some new posters that maybe can't click thru 300 plus pages.
....and now we turn to double chins and sexual predator.
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I denounce that behavior and am certain they represent a fringe not the 61M that voted trump.
Denounce all you want, but that gesture is insignificant. The extreme element here might be fringe, but the moderates are numerically significant. It's pretty safe to say that the people who ticked the box for Trump weren't doing it because they liked the fact he's orange, offensive, poorly spoken, a cheat, a serial liar, and a sex offender: his overt racist attitudes that has the KKK high fiving and waiting for America to be great again works for many that aren't so open about their levels of racism.
So the Black Panthers were out if full force for Obama, does that mean Obama is a racist?
and where is your factual evidence Trump is a racist?
man there is actual racism in this world and the left just throws that word out when they have nothing else to hold onto
How about his policies towards renting to black people? Does that serve as evidence? Or do you need pictures of him in a stupid hat at a rally where they burn crosses?
where is the hard evidence of that?
and the way you spread the lies is the same crap this clip does from CNN...what more does this guy have to do to denounce racism? put David Dukes head on a post?
Denouncing it doesn't change the fact that a segment of his base is racist.
there are bad apples in every group i completely agree with you...im sure a segment of Obama and HRC supporters were the same
Does Trump say stupid stuff, yes...is he a racist, no
Yeah except for that dept of justice thing related to not renting to blacks....
Was this from the 70s? I keep seeing this but can only find something from 1973.
Yes...he has a deep history of racism
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If basis of calling trump racist is that trump at 27 along with his father settled a lawsuit about not renting to blacks, then that is a really really really bigly bigly bigly weak argument! Serious, is there anything else? Like more concrete or more recent?
Why don't you lay out your requirements for determining if someone's racist, first?
That's your retort rebuttal?
Retort rebuttal? Confusion befuddle?
I'm more interested in people's resistance to acknowledging and discussing racism at this point, which is what you're doing. Trump's racism has been outlined in this thread. You're obviously not wanting to look at how racism applies to trump. Why is that?
Ok...well do the board a favor and simply list 2 other examples of trump racism? We have some new posters that maybe can't click thru 300 plus pages.
"Laziness is a trait in blacks" - trump A ban on Muslim immigrants is a policy based on prejudice about people who belong to a mainline religion. Prejudice = racism.
Mike Pence and Paul Ryan would like to take this opportuinty to say a word about the diversity within the GOP Waldo was easier to find
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If basis of calling trump racist is that trump at 27 along with his father settled a lawsuit about not renting to blacks, then that is a really really really bigly bigly bigly weak argument! Serious, is there anything else? Like more concrete or more recent?
Why don't you lay out your requirements for determining if someone's racist, first?
That's your retort rebuttal?
Retort rebuttal? Confusion befuddle?
I'm more interested in people's resistance to acknowledging and discussing racism at this point, which is what you're doing. Trump's racism has been outlined in this thread. You're obviously not wanting to look at how racism applies to trump. Why is that?
Ok...well do the board a favor and simply list 2 other examples of trump racism? We have some new posters that maybe can't click thru 300 plus pages.
"Laziness is a trait in blacks" - trump A ban on Muslim immigrants is a policy based on prejudice about people who belong to a mainline religion. Prejudice = racism.
I'm totally convinced now. I and on behalf of the newbies thank you.
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i can't believe there are people here denying he is a sexual predator and sexual assaulter (admitted!!!), racist and sexist. come on people.
why do I feel as if the "racist" charges against Trump are this elections "birther" movement against Obama
There's a difference between the two: one has some serious truth to it and the other has no truth to it and done so to degrade the presidency of Obama. Which in turn IS something PE Donald Trump is very good at doing.
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Serious, is there anything else? Like more concrete or more recent?
Maybe those allegations back then were false. I guess even if they were accurate... he learned tolerance (or to be more careful speaking about the minority folk... one of the two maybe).
I'm coming around. He probably is a fantastic guy.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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their 8 year vacation is over
I'm more interested in people's resistance to acknowledging and discussing racism at this point, which is what you're doing. Trump's racism has been outlined in this thread. You're obviously not wanting to look at how racism applies to trump. Why is that?
Landlords care only about.
1. Paid rent on time
2. Paid rent on time
3. Paid rent on time
4. Maintain property
5. Tenants and neighboring tenants are content (so they have no reason to leave or not pay rent on time)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
A ban on Muslim immigrants is a policy based on prejudice about people who belong to a mainline religion. Prejudice = racism.
Waldo was easier to find
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)