Hillary won more votes for President

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  • polaris_x
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    JimmyV said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

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    pjalive21 said:

    polaris_x said:

    unsung said:

    polaris_x said:

    JimmyV said:

    Sigh...

    The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.

    The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...
    The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.
    obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...
    popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trump

    this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
    it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...

    as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
    This is true. Many people would have the exact opposite opinion they hold today if the result went the other way. The Slate images posted above are evidence of that. So too was Republicans screaming bloody murder about the Electoral College in 2012 when they thought Romney was going to be foiled by it. That is partisanship.

    I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.
    again ... the issue here isn't a choice between EC and Popular vote ... the issue is what is in the best interests of americans? ... is it an electoral system that ultimately breeds and perpetuates a two-party system that ultimately results in partisan politicking!?? ...
    Would a multi-party system result in less partisanship? Would anyone necessarily be less attached to their party if there were more choices? Maybe they would, I don't know. Trump winning was the most surprising result of this election but second most was how relatively few people fled to the Libertarians and the Greens. With the top two being so unlikable this seemed like a year ready made for a third party to grab a foothold.
    More choices should result in less partisanship ... if you compare electoral systems across whatever peer group you want to choose - it should be pretty evident ...

    as for the 3rd party ... Libertarians plus Greens garnered 4.3% of the vote vs. 1.3% in 2012 ... so, there was growth ... but the other issue with such a polarizing choice is that many people would feel obligated to vote against a particular candidate ... someone posted a chart showing people who voted against a candidate was the highest its been in some time ...

  • rssesq
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    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....

    Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me. ;)

    Did some folks get banned or something?
    Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".
    click on a member's name. brings you to their profile page. if they are banned, you'll see a bold red "BANNED" next to their name.
    Never knew that...thxs
    I never thought of engaging in pj forum member recon.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Anyone know where I can get a copy of this?

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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited November 2016
    JC29856 said:

    Anyone know where I can get a copy of this?

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    Sent to the presses is a little too soon?

    Stop the presses!!
    Post edited by Free on
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,507
    I'm sure many publications do that. have two copies ready depending on the outcome, ready to go out immediately. kinda like sports teams have their championship merch ready for the end of the game, and it gets destroyed if they lose.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited November 2016
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I'm sure many publications do that. have two copies ready depending on the outcome, ready to go out immediately. kinda like sports teams have their championship merch ready for the end of the game, and it gets destroyed if they lose.

    I think the losing teams merch gets sent off to the athletic apparel manufacturer workers in places like Bangladesh and Malawi so they have something to wear to work.
    Not sure what they would do with Madame Clinton copies.
  • hedonist
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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I'm sure many publications do that. have two copies ready depending on the outcome, ready to go out immediately. kinda like sports teams have their championship merch ready for the end of the game, and it gets destroyed if they lose.

    Same with "celebrity" obituaries.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited November 2016
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I'm sure many publications do that. have two copies ready depending on the outcome, ready to go out immediately. kinda like sports teams have their championship merch ready for the end of the game, and it gets destroyed if they lose.

    I worked in printing, 2 covers are usually digitally created, but money is never to be legitimately wasted on paper and ink. It costs clients a ton of $$$ to stop presses. That was hopefully never actually printed. If so, all those mags get thrown out = $$$$ lost.
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  • pjhawks
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    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I'm sure many publications do that. have two copies ready depending on the outcome, ready to go out immediately. kinda like sports teams have their championship merch ready for the end of the game, and it gets destroyed if they lose.

    I worked in printing, 2 covers are usually digitally created, but money is never to be legitimately wasted on paper and ink. It costs clients a ton of $$$ to stop presses. That was hopefully never actually printed. If so, all those mags get thrown out = $$$$ lost.
    wait do people still read magazines in print except in doctors offices?
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    pjhawks said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I'm sure many publications do that. have two copies ready depending on the outcome, ready to go out immediately. kinda like sports teams have their championship merch ready for the end of the game, and it gets destroyed if they lose.

    I worked in printing, 2 covers are usually digitally created, but money is never to be legitimately wasted on paper and ink. It costs clients a ton of $$$ to stop presses. That was hopefully never actually printed. If so, all those mags get thrown out = $$$$ lost.
    wait do people still read magazines in print except in doctors offices?
    I have a collection next to my toilet.
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  • PJ_Soul
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    pjhawks said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I'm sure many publications do that. have two copies ready depending on the outcome, ready to go out immediately. kinda like sports teams have their championship merch ready for the end of the game, and it gets destroyed if they lose.

    I worked in printing, 2 covers are usually digitally created, but money is never to be legitimately wasted on paper and ink. It costs clients a ton of $$$ to stop presses. That was hopefully never actually printed. If so, all those mags get thrown out = $$$$ lost.
    wait do people still read magazines in print except in doctors offices?
    I still see so many people grabbing those celebrity gossip rags in the grocery store lineup.
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  • lolobugg
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    PJ_Soul said:

    pjhawks said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I'm sure many publications do that. have two copies ready depending on the outcome, ready to go out immediately. kinda like sports teams have their championship merch ready for the end of the game, and it gets destroyed if they lose.

    I worked in printing, 2 covers are usually digitally created, but money is never to be legitimately wasted on paper and ink. It costs clients a ton of $$$ to stop presses. That was hopefully never actually printed. If so, all those mags get thrown out = $$$$ lost.
    wait do people still read magazines in print except in doctors offices?
    I still see so many people grabbing those celebrity gossip rags in the grocery store lineup.
    you gotta find out what the fucking Gilmour Girls are doing this week.

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  • JimmyV
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  • rgambs
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    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....

    Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me. ;)

    Did some folks get banned or something?
    Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".
    click on a member's name. brings you to their profile page. if they are banned, you'll see a bold red "BANNED" next to their name.
    Never knew that...thxs
    I never thought of engaging in pj forum member recon.
    occasionally I've checked if the person posts regularly and then all of a sudden is AWOL.
    I check the participants in closed threads. Also, avatar changes to variations of the smiley face are another indicator.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
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    rgambs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....

    Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me. ;)

    Did some folks get banned or something?
    Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".
    click on a member's name. brings you to their profile page. if they are banned, you'll see a bold red "BANNED" next to their name.
    Never knew that...thxs
    I never thought of engaging in pj forum member recon.
    occasionally I've checked if the person posts regularly and then all of a sudden is AWOL.
    I check the participants in closed threads. Also, avatar changes to variations of the smiley face are another indicator.
    So do I.
    The latest one that was closed involved Pgrabbing and your avatar appeared frequently in it.
    Cmon man stick to topic.
  • rgambs
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:


    rgambs said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....

    Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me. ;)

    Did some folks get banned or something?
    Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".
    click on a member's name. brings you to their profile page. if they are banned, you'll see a bold red "BANNED" next to their name.
    Never knew that...thxs
    I never thought of engaging in pj forum member recon.
    occasionally I've checked if the person posts regularly and then all of a sudden is AWOL.
    I check the participants in closed threads. Also, avatar changes to variations of the smiley face are another indicator.
    So do I.
    The latest one that was closed involved Pgrabbing and your avatar appeared frequently in it.
    Cmon man stick to topic.
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  • rgambs
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    That Buffalo '13 is an underrated show. Amazing versions of Immortality, I Got Shit, Sometimes, Rats, Present Tense.
    Immortality stands out as the best version I have heard with my own earballs.
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  • tweedyfanjen
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    lolobugg said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    pjhawks said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I'm sure many publications do that. have two copies ready depending on the outcome, ready to go out immediately. kinda like sports teams have their championship merch ready for the end of the game, and it gets destroyed if they lose.

    I worked in printing, 2 covers are usually digitally created, but money is never to be legitimately wasted on paper and ink. It costs clients a ton of $$$ to stop presses. That was hopefully never actually printed. If so, all those mags get thrown out = $$$$ lost.
    wait do people still read magazines in print except in doctors offices?
    I still see so many people grabbing those celebrity gossip rags in the grocery store lineup.
    you gotta find out what the fucking Gilmour Girls are doing this week.
    David's daughters?? :lol:
    I'm through with screaming
  • JC29856
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    Hillary Clinton lost the election in the Midwest. Donald Trump won 50 Midwestern electoral votes that went to Barack Obama in 2012 -- Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio -- plus 20 more in Pennsylvania, where the two-thirds of voters beyond metro Philadelphia are Midwestern in culture and concerns. Trump could have lost Florida and still won.

    In the popular vote, Clinton came close to equaling Obama's 2012 percentages in the South and not-yet-fully-counted West, and her 4 percent drop in the Northeast cost her no electoral votes. But in the Midwest and Pennsylvania, the Democratic presidential percentage dropped from 54 percent in 2008 and 51 percent in 2012 to 45 percent in 2016.
  • JimmyV
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    JC29856 said:

    Hillary Clinton lost the election in the Midwest. Donald Trump won 50 Midwestern electoral votes that went to Barack Obama in 2012 -- Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio -- plus 20 more in Pennsylvania, where the two-thirds of voters beyond metro Philadelphia are Midwestern in culture and concerns. Trump could have lost Florida and still won.

    In the popular vote, Clinton came close to equaling Obama's 2012 percentages in the South and not-yet-fully-counted West, and her 4 percent drop in the Northeast cost her no electoral votes. But in the Midwest and Pennsylvania, the Democratic presidential percentage dropped from 54 percent in 2008 and 51 percent in 2012 to 45 percent in 2016.

    Yep. There shouldn't be any doubt. This wasn't Comey or Wiki or Sexism or Third Parties. None of those things helped, certainly, but none of them caused this defeat, either. Campaign strategy and messaging, more than anything else, led to Donald Trump.
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