Hillary won more votes for President
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51% republicans voted against Hilliary vs 41% democrats voted against Trump0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.polaris_x said:
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...JimmyV said:Sigh...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.0 -
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...unsung said:
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.polaris_x said:
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...JimmyV said:Sigh...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.0 -
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trumppolaris_x said:
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...unsung said:
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.polaris_x said:
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...JimmyV said:Sigh...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there0 -
it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...pjalive21 said:
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trumppolaris_x said:
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...unsung said:
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.polaris_x said:
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...JimmyV said:Sigh...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...0 -
1,341,642 more votes for Clinton than Trump as of this writing.
It wasn't a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Donald Trump. It was an almost unimaginably mismanaged Clinton campaign that gave us Donald Trump.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
This is true. Many people would have the exact opposite opinion they hold today if the result went the other way. The Slate images posted above are evidence of that. So too was Republicans screaming bloody murder about the Electoral College in 2012 when they thought Romney was going to be foiled by it. That is partisanship.polaris_x said:
it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...pjalive21 said:
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trumppolaris_x said:
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...unsung said:
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.polaris_x said:
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...JimmyV said:Sigh...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
exactly what I've been saying since this came up. michael moore would be singing its praises, or just keeping his mouth shut, had Hillary won the EC and lost the popular. And Trump would be reiterating his stance from 2012, that the EC is a disaster for democracy. and his supporters would be saying the same, just as hillary's are now.polaris_x said:
it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...pjalive21 said:
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trumppolaris_x said:
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...unsung said:
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.polaris_x said:
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...JimmyV said:Sigh...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Just an observation:
Pre election the trump thread was buzzing
Post election the Hilliary thread is buzzing0 -
again ... the issue here isn't a choice between EC and Popular vote ... the issue is what is in the best interests of americans? ... is it an electoral system that ultimately breeds and perpetuates a two-party system that ultimately results in partisan politicking!?? ...JimmyV said:
This is true. Many people would have the exact opposite opinion they hold today if the result went the other way. The Slate images posted above are evidence of that. So too was Republicans screaming bloody murder about the Electoral College in 2012 when they thought Romney was going to be foiled by it. That is partisanship.polaris_x said:
it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...pjalive21 said:
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trumppolaris_x said:
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...unsung said:
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.polaris_x said:
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...JimmyV said:Sigh...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.0 -
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Hilliary Kaine 2016 - 62M votes
McCain Palin 2008 - 60M votes
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Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me.Gern Blansten said:The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....
Did some folks get banned or something?0 -
Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".dignin said:
Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me.Gern Blansten said:The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....
Did some folks get banned or something?0 -
click on a member's name. brings you to their profile page. if they are banned, you'll see a bold red "BANNED" next to their name.JC29856 said:
Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".dignin said:
Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me.Gern Blansten said:The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....
Did some folks get banned or something?Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Never knew that...thxsHughFreakingDillon said:
click on a member's name. brings you to their profile page. if they are banned, you'll see a bold red "BANNED" next to their name.JC29856 said:
Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".dignin said:
Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me.Gern Blansten said:The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....
Did some folks get banned or something?
I never thought of engaging in pj forum member recon.0 -
occasionally I've checked if the person posts regularly and then all of a sudden is AWOL.JC29856 said:
Never knew that...thxsHughFreakingDillon said:
click on a member's name. brings you to their profile page. if they are banned, you'll see a bold red "BANNED" next to their name.JC29856 said:
Many calls for closed threads and allegations of guys being banned although I'm not sure how it becomes "public".dignin said:
Been out for awhile, so maybe it all falls on me.Gern Blansten said:The forums have certainly been more pleasant and intelligent recently. Can't quite put my finger on why....
Did some folks get banned or something?
I never thought of engaging in pj forum member recon.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Would a multi-party system result in less partisanship? Would anyone necessarily be less attached to their party if there were more choices? Maybe they would, I don't know. Trump winning was the most surprising result of this election but second most was how relatively few people fled to the Libertarians and the Greens. With the top two being so unlikable this seemed like a year ready made for a third party to grab a foothold.polaris_x said:
again ... the issue here isn't a choice between EC and Popular vote ... the issue is what is in the best interests of americans? ... is it an electoral system that ultimately breeds and perpetuates a two-party system that ultimately results in partisan politicking!?? ...JimmyV said:
This is true. Many people would have the exact opposite opinion they hold today if the result went the other way. The Slate images posted above are evidence of that. So too was Republicans screaming bloody murder about the Electoral College in 2012 when they thought Romney was going to be foiled by it. That is partisanship.polaris_x said:
it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...pjalive21 said:
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trumppolaris_x said:
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...unsung said:
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.polaris_x said:
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...JimmyV said:Sigh...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
multi party systems aren't all they're cracked up to be. it can mean, and what it did mean in Canada not long ago, was that everyone had a piece, no one had a majority, and ZERO got done.JimmyV said:
Would a multi-party system result in less partisanship? Would anyone necessarily be less attached to their party if there were more choices? Maybe they would, I don't know. Trump winning was the most surprising result of this election but second most was how relatively few people fled to the Libertarians and the Greens. With the top two being so unlikable this seemed like a year ready made for a third party to grab a foothold.polaris_x said:
again ... the issue here isn't a choice between EC and Popular vote ... the issue is what is in the best interests of americans? ... is it an electoral system that ultimately breeds and perpetuates a two-party system that ultimately results in partisan politicking!?? ...JimmyV said:
This is true. Many people would have the exact opposite opinion they hold today if the result went the other way. The Slate images posted above are evidence of that. So too was Republicans screaming bloody murder about the Electoral College in 2012 when they thought Romney was going to be foiled by it. That is partisanship.polaris_x said:
it's not a one or the other situation ... if the roles were reversed and trump lost the EC and won popular vote - you would be against the system ... that's called partisanship ... that is ultimately the problem ... a system that is based strictly on two parties ...pjalive21 said:
popular vote would be worse....unless you have a suggestion similar to what Maine does then the electoral college is whats best for America just because HRC didn't win and we got Trumppolaris_x said:
obviously the electoral college is doing what it's supposed to ... it's like saying a bullet that killed someone is doing what it's supposed to ... the issue here is whether or not the electoral college is good for americans ...unsung said:
The US is not a democracy, never has been. The electoral college is working how it is supposed to.polaris_x said:
The electoral college has failed americans since it's inception ... in reality, it's because of the electoral college that there were 2 horrible candidates for POTUS ...JimmyV said:Sigh...
The Electoral College did the exact job it was intended to do. Democrats do not have an Electoral College problem. They had a Hillary Clinton problem.
this was a rebellion of the middle class that gave us Trump...look above at what JC298 posted its all right there
as far as a rebellion of the middle class - i'm not sure anyone will be able to rationalize that trump will help the middle class considering his taxation policies ...
I'm not arguing from a partisan position and I would be saying the exact same if the results were opposite. The original point of the EC was to prevent a few large states from dictating who the President would be. Now it prevents a few large cities from doing the same. The same concept still stands. Winning 270 electoral votes requires a national campaign. Winning the popular vote does not. I said it in 2012 and I said it in 2000. Al Gore of course had a much bigger gripe with the EC than does Hillary Clinton.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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