Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren 2020
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Once a conspiracy theorist, always a conspiracy theorist.Free said:
I still think something is going on that the public doesn't know about, there always will be much that we do NOT KNOW. Hillary had fireworks planned for shooting off over the Hudson and canceled them within 24 hours of election day. Why. What did she know. What changed. She was sailing through to victory. Nearly everyone planned on it, including her campaign.rgambs said:
You insulted me many times when you thought it was all decided and rigged years ago by some sinister cabal. I am not trying to insult you I am trying to understand you so that I can counter-act your tactics when it comes time to try and replace Trump.Free said:
It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.rgambs said:
I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.Free said:
No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works.rgambs said:
Like it or not...Free said:Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.
In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
You were a zero.
You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.
It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
Many great people have pointed out that thinking big picture doesn't get anything done at all, it is the little steps we take that carry us forward, not our dream of the destination.
Seriously? When you are deep in details, exactly what gets done? When there are too many hands in the pot, who's overseeing the problem at large? Discounting big-picture perspective is the exact issue and a very dangerous one. Too many dismiss it, like yourself. And problems inevitably never get solved because of it. It's called balance, not one or the other. Without balance, nothing gets really done.
Problems WERE getting solved.
Same-sex marriage legalized.
Marijuana becoming legalized.
Climate change beginning to be addressed.
Less war.
Taxes increasing on the wealthy.
Police abuse coming to a national discussion.
Equal pay.
Paid maternity paternity and sick days.
Minimum wage increases.
It was all happening, soon to happen, or happened. All gone. Done. Over. Trump and GOP in total control.
Then too many playing Icarus grabbing for too much, too fast and there was a backlash that you couldn't control.
On top of that, Russia played you BernieBros like a fiddle, let you lead the battle to smear Clinton and pave the way for Trump.Post edited by rgambs onMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
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cmon rgambs stop blaming others.
The American desire and will put President -elect Trump there.
Give him a chance just like Hillary told you to.0 -
Whatever you want to think, gambs. You know everything.0
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I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
Please pick someone younger!The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
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cmon rgambs stop blaming others.
The American desire and will put President -elect Trump there.
Give him a chance just like Hillary told you to.
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The blinders for Obama are too strong on this forum for any of you to really get where the blame resides.0
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Tim Kaine 2020F Me In The Brain said:I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
Please pick someone younger!0 -
That's right. Get used to it. Grieve now, organize, protest, make meaningful change when you get over Hillary.what dreams said:
The BIG PICTURE is that the radicalized wing of the Republican Party now controls all three branches of our government.Free said:
I still think something is going on that the public doesn't know about, there always will be much that we do NOT KNOW. Hillary had fireworks planned for shooting off over the Hudson and canceled them within 24 hours of election day. Why. What did she know. What changed. She was sailing through to victory. Nearly everyone planned on it, including her campaign.rgambs said:
You insulted me many times when you thought it was all decided and rigged years ago by some sinister cabal. I am not trying to insult you I am trying to understand you so that I can counter-act your tactics when it comes time to try and replace Trump.Free said:
It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.rgambs said:
I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.Free said:
No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works.rgambs said:
Like it or not...Free said:Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.
In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
You were a zero.
You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.
It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
Many great people have pointed out that thinking big picture doesn't get anything done at all, it is the little steps we take that carry us forward, not our dream of the destination.
Seriously? When you are deep in details, exactly what gets done? When there are too many hands in the pot, who's overseeing the problem at large? Discounting big-picture perspective is the exact issue and a very dangerous one. Too many dismiss it, like yourself. And problems inevitably never get solved because of it. It's called balance, not one or the other. Without balance, nothing gets really done.
The end.0 -
He will be in 60s then too.what dreams said:
Tim Kaine 2020F Me In The Brain said:I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
Please pick someone younger!The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
Free said:
That's right. Get used to it. Grieve now, organize, protest, make meaningful change when you get over Hillary.what dreams said:
The BIG PICTURE is that the radicalized wing of the Republican Party now controls all three branches of our government.Free said:
I still think something is going on that the public doesn't know about, there always will be much that we do NOT KNOW. Hillary had fireworks planned for shooting off over the Hudson and canceled them within 24 hours of election day. Why. What did she know. What changed. She was sailing through to victory. Nearly everyone planned on it, including her campaign.rgambs said:
You insulted me many times when you thought it was all decided and rigged years ago by some sinister cabal. I am not trying to insult you I am trying to understand you so that I can counter-act your tactics when it comes time to try and replace Trump.Free said:
It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.rgambs said:
I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.Free said:
No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works.rgambs said:
Like it or not...Free said:Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.
In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
You were a zero.
You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.
It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
Many great people have pointed out that thinking big picture doesn't get anything done at all, it is the little steps we take that carry us forward, not our dream of the destination.
Seriously? When you are deep in details, exactly what gets done? When there are too many hands in the pot, who's overseeing the problem at large? Discounting big-picture perspective is the exact issue and a very dangerous one. Too many dismiss it, like yourself. And problems inevitably never get solved because of it. It's called balance, not one or the other. Without balance, nothing gets really done.
The end.
Hahahaha yeah, like you got over Bernie and the DNC??? Oh, right, you haven't yet!
Better give us a year or two, let us know when you get over that so we can set the timer and know when to get over Trump's victory.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Tim Kaine added nothing to the Clinton ticket and would be a washout as a nominee.___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
This is all you've got.rgambs said:Free said:
That's right. Get used to it. Grieve now, organize, protest, make meaningful change when you get over Hillary.what dreams said:
The BIG PICTURE is that the radicalized wing of the Republican Party now controls all three branches of our government.Free said:
I still think something is going on that the public doesn't know about, there always will be much that we do NOT KNOW. Hillary had fireworks planned for shooting off over the Hudson and canceled them within 24 hours of election day. Why. What did she know. What changed. She was sailing through to victory. Nearly everyone planned on it, including her campaign.rgambs said:
You insulted me many times when you thought it was all decided and rigged years ago by some sinister cabal. I am not trying to insult you I am trying to understand you so that I can counter-act your tactics when it comes time to try and replace Trump.Free said:
It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.rgambs said:
I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.Free said:
No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works.rgambs said:
Like it or not...Free said:Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.
In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
You were a zero.
You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.
It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
Many great people have pointed out that thinking big picture doesn't get anything done at all, it is the little steps we take that carry us forward, not our dream of the destination.
Seriously? When you are deep in details, exactly what gets done? When there are too many hands in the pot, who's overseeing the problem at large? Discounting big-picture perspective is the exact issue and a very dangerous one. Too many dismiss it, like yourself. And problems inevitably never get solved because of it. It's called balance, not one or the other. Without balance, nothing gets really done.
The end.
Hahahaha yeah, like you got over Bernie and the DNC??? Oh, right, you haven't yet!
Better give us a year or two, let us know when you get over that so we can set the timer and know when to get over Trump's victory.
Oh, the irony, and finger pointing.0 -
You're funny.Free said:
That's right. Get used to it. Grieve now, organize, protest, make meaningful change when you get over Hillary.what dreams said:
The BIG PICTURE is that the radicalized wing of the Republican Party now controls all three branches of our government.Free said:
I still think something is going on that the public doesn't know about, there always will be much that we do NOT KNOW. Hillary had fireworks planned for shooting off over the Hudson and canceled them within 24 hours of election day. Why. What did she know. What changed. She was sailing through to victory. Nearly everyone planned on it, including her campaign.rgambs said:
You insulted me many times when you thought it was all decided and rigged years ago by some sinister cabal. I am not trying to insult you I am trying to understand you so that I can counter-act your tactics when it comes time to try and replace Trump.Free said:
It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.rgambs said:
I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.Free said:
No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works.rgambs said:
Like it or not...Free said:Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.
In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
You were a zero.
You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.
It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
Many great people have pointed out that thinking big picture doesn't get anything done at all, it is the little steps we take that carry us forward, not our dream of the destination.
Seriously? When you are deep in details, exactly what gets done? When there are too many hands in the pot, who's overseeing the problem at large? Discounting big-picture perspective is the exact issue and a very dangerous one. Too many dismiss it, like yourself. And problems inevitably never get solved because of it. It's called balance, not one or the other. Without balance, nothing gets really done.
The end.0 -
Yes, the problem is the Democrats needed to start recruiting and training people 25 years ago.F Me In The Brain said:
He will be in 60s then too.what dreams said:
Tim Kaine 2020F Me In The Brain said:I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
Please pick someone younger!
The problem is that too many liberals are "big picture" type of people who don't understand that every battle is won through a series of small, tactical maneuvers and it takes a long, long time. You don't become a powerful player in the arena by marching through San Francisco burning flags and posting a selfie about it.
People don't just turn 36 and say "I can run for President now." Obama, as young as he was, had a long-range path that you could trace backwards several decades.
The Republicans made a huge investment over a long period of time to produce people like Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz.
The Dems really need to study that playbook because the Republicans currently have a very deep bench and we've got shit.0 -
You are so much smarter than us, please master, tell us more.what dreams said:
Yes, the problem is the Democrats needed to start recruiting and training people 25 years ago.F Me In The Brain said:
He will be in 60s then too.what dreams said:
Tim Kaine 2020F Me In The Brain said:I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
Please pick someone younger!
The problem is that too many liberals are "big picture" type of people who don't understand that every battle is won through a series of small, tactical maneuvers and it takes a long, long time. You don't become a powerful player in the arena by marching through San Francisco burning flags and posting a selfie about it.
People don't just turn 36 and say "I can run for President now." Obama, as young as he was, had a long-range path that you could trace backwards several decades.
The Republicans made a huge investment over a long period of time to produce people like Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz.
The Dems really need to study that playbook because the Republicans currently have a very deep bench and we've got shit.
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Truewhat dreams said:
Yes, the problem is the Democrats needed to start recruiting and training people 25 years ago.F Me In The Brain said:
He will be in 60s then too.what dreams said:
Tim Kaine 2020F Me In The Brain said:I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
Please pick someone younger!
The problem is that too many liberals are "big picture" type of people who don't understand that every battle is won through a series of small, tactical maneuvers and it takes a long, long time. You don't become a powerful player in the arena by marching through San Francisco burning flags and posting a selfie about it.
People don't just turn 36 and say "I can run for President now." Obama, as young as he was, had a long-range path that you could trace backwards several decades.
The Republicans made a huge investment over a long period of time to produce people like Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz.
The Dems really need to study that playbook because the Republicans currently have a very deep bench and we've got shit.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
The ground for this democratic loss was layed during his presidency. People went for hope and change but hope and change was a failure on all fronts. No democratic candidate be it Hillary, Bernie, anybody could have won without coming to terms with that fact.BS44325 said:The blinders for Obama are too strong on this forum for any of you to really get where the blame resides.
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Yes and the smart play would have been to have Hillary win in 2008 followed by Obama in 2016. Instead you wasted a talent who wasn't ready and are paying the consequences for his ineptitude.what dreams said:
Yes, the problem is the Democrats needed to start recruiting and training people 25 years ago.F Me In The Brain said:
He will be in 60s then too.what dreams said:
Tim Kaine 2020F Me In The Brain said:I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
Please pick someone younger!
The problem is that too many liberals are "big picture" type of people who don't understand that every battle is won through a series of small, tactical maneuvers and it takes a long, long time. You don't become a powerful player in the arena by marching through San Francisco burning flags and posting a selfie about it.
People don't just turn 36 and say "I can run for President now." Obama, as young as he was, had a long-range path that you could trace backwards several decades.
The Republicans made a huge investment over a long period of time to produce people like Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz.
The Dems really need to study that playbook because the Republicans currently have a very deep bench and we've got shit.0 -
Can you please explain why you are so damned rude? I was having a perfectly pleasant exchange with another poster, agreeing with him/her that we need good, younger candidates -- and then you inject your bullshit. Every. Single. Time. Get the fuck out of my world, won't you please?????Free said:
You are so much smarter than us, please master, tell us more.what dreams said:
Yes, the problem is the Democrats needed to start recruiting and training people 25 years ago.F Me In The Brain said:
He will be in 60s then too.what dreams said:
Tim Kaine 2020F Me In The Brain said:I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
Please pick someone younger!
The problem is that too many liberals are "big picture" type of people who don't understand that every battle is won through a series of small, tactical maneuvers and it takes a long, long time. You don't become a powerful player in the arena by marching through San Francisco burning flags and posting a selfie about it.
People don't just turn 36 and say "I can run for President now." Obama, as young as he was, had a long-range path that you could trace backwards several decades.
The Republicans made a huge investment over a long period of time to produce people like Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz.
The Dems really need to study that playbook because the Republicans currently have a very deep bench and we've got shit.0
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