Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren 2020

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845
    lukin2006 said:

    Free said:

    Forget Dems, open up field and allow 3rd party candidates! This country's voters - more and more - are LEAVING the corrupt 2-party system. Just look at Sanders' legacy. Voters want CHANGE. And we have to work for that.

    The field is open, anyone can run ... just that the democrats and republican seem to have a strangle hold on the system and they do this by outspending everyone in an election...basically controlling the elections because they essentially work for the special interest who donate millions and millions...

    Sad but money controls the politicians today...on both sides.
    Money has always controlled politics
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    after the globe shocker that just occurred, it's interesting to me that anyone can possibly believe they know anything about who would have beaten Trump. All the experts, political analysts, everyone here, everyone I spoke to, thought Trump didn't have a hope in hell of winning. Now all of a sudden "BERNIE WOULD HAVE CRUSHED HIM!". Seriously? You think an entire country that just saw Red would have voted in an admitted socialist? you've got to be kidding me.

    this is Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest. "if they had only put in the second stringer, we would have won it all!".

    maybe he would have won, maybe he wouldn't have, but to claim you think you know he would have trounced trump is laughable. Sorry, it just is. And I was hoping for Bernie.
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited November 2016
    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.

    Like it or not...
    In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
    You were a zero.
    You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.

    It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
    No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works. :blush:
    Post edited by Free on
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    As an innocent bystander this is my favourite thread.
  • If it is those two Trump can't wait for the first debates!
    Second term for him by a landslide.
    Unless a bird lands on her pedestal too.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559

    If it is those two Trump can't wait for the first debates!
    Second term for him by a landslide.
    Unless a bird lands on her pedestal too.

    anyone who can get the young folks to vote will win with relative ease ...
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited November 2016
    Bernie Sanders Says Donald Trump Won by Tapping Into the Country's 'Anger'
    “Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.

    “To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.”
    http://www.complex.com/life/2016/11/bernie-sanders-nothing-polite-results-election?utm_campaign=complexmag&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.

    Like it or not...
    In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
    You were a zero.
    You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.

    It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
    No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works. :blush:
    I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.
    I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
    You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
    The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
    You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
    If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    some people still don't get it ... clinton and the dnc lost ... instead of blaming people - maybe they should look to see why so many people did not vote for her ...
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,931
    polaris_x said:

    some people still don't get it ... clinton and the dnc lost ... instead of blaming people - maybe they should look to see why so many people did not vote for her ...

    It's true no doubt about it !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,845

    after the globe shocker that just occurred, it's interesting to me that anyone can possibly believe they know anything about who would have beaten Trump. All the experts, political analysts, everyone here, everyone I spoke to, thought Trump didn't have a hope in hell of winning. Now all of a sudden "BERNIE WOULD HAVE CRUSHED HIM!". Seriously? You think an entire country that just saw Red would have voted in an admitted socialist? you've got to be kidding me.

    this is Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest. "if they had only put in the second stringer, we would have won it all!".

    maybe he would have won, maybe he wouldn't have, but to claim you think you know he would have trounced trump is laughable. Sorry, it just is. And I was hoping for Bernie.

    Have to say I agree with you. I remember all the people posting during the primaries that Bernie couldn't win the election because he was too "socialist". Now, in hindsight, he seems like he would have been the saviour but that wasn't actually the universal viewpoint at the time.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • polaris_x said:

    some people still don't get it ... clinton and the dnc lost ... instead of blaming people - maybe they should look to see why so many people did not vote for her ...

    They will never do that.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.

    Like it or not...
    In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
    You were a zero.
    You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.

    It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
    No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works. :blush:
    I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.
    I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
    You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
    The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
    You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
    If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
    It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.

    You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.

    Like it or not...
    In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
    You were a zero.
    You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.

    It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
    No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works. :blush:
    I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.
    I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
    You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
    The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
    You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
    If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
    It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.

    You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
    You insulted me many times when you thought it was all decided and rigged years ago by some sinister cabal. I am not trying to insult you I am trying to understand you so that I can counter-act your tactics when it comes time to try and replace Trump.
    Many great people have pointed out that thinking big picture doesn't get anything done at all, it is the little steps we take that carry us forward, not our dream of the destination.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    polaris_x said:

    some people still don't get it ... clinton and the dnc lost ... instead of blaming people - maybe they should look to see why so many people did not vote for her ...

    Yes, this. Re-evaluate why these two were exactly what has been said for months. The "Two Most Unpopular Candidates in History". One of these morons had to win, the other had to lose.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.

    Like it or not...
    In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
    You were a zero.
    You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.

    It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
    No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works. :blush:
    I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.
    I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
    You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
    The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
    You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
    If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
    It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.

    You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
    You insulted me many times when you thought it was all decided and rigged years ago by some sinister cabal. I am not trying to insult you I am trying to understand you so that I can counter-act your tactics when it comes time to try and replace Trump.
    Many great people have pointed out that thinking big picture doesn't get anything done at all, it is the little steps we take that carry us forward, not our dream of the destination.
    I still think something is going on that the public doesn't know about, there always will be much that we do NOT KNOW. Hillary had fireworks planned for shooting off over the Hudson and canceled them within 24 hours of election day. Why. What did she know. What changed. She was sailing through to victory. Nearly everyone planned on it, including her campaign.

    Seriously? When you are deep in details, exactly what gets done? When there are too many hands in the pot, who's overseeing the problem at large? Discounting big-picture perspective is the exact issue and a very dangerous one. Too many dismiss it, like yourself. And problems inevitably never get solved because of it. It's called balance, not one or the other. Without balance, nothing gets really done.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited November 2016
    Dupe post
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.

    Like it or not...
    In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
    You were a zero.
    You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.

    It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
    No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works. :blush:
    I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.
    I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
    You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
    The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
    You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
    If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
    It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.

    You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
    You insulted me many times when you thought it was all decided and rigged years ago by some sinister cabal. I am not trying to insult you I am trying to understand you so that I can counter-act your tactics when it comes time to try and replace Trump.
    Many great people have pointed out that thinking big picture doesn't get anything done at all, it is the little steps we take that carry us forward, not our dream of the destination.
    I still think something is going on that the public doesn't know about, there always will be much that we do NOT KNOW. Hillary had fireworks planned for shooting off over the Hudson and canceled them within 24 hours of election day. Why. What did she know. What changed. She was sailing through to victory. Nearly everyone planned on it, including her campaign.

    Seriously? When you are deep in details, exactly what gets done? When there are too many hands in the pot, who's overseeing the problem at large? Discounting big-picture perspective is the exact issue and a very dangerous one. Too many dismiss it, like yourself. And problems inevitably never get solved because of it. It's called balance, not one or the other. Without balance, nothing gets really done.
    The BIG PICTURE is that the radicalized wing of the Republican Party now controls all three branches of our government.

    The end.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited November 2016
    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.

    Like it or not...
    In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
    You were a zero.
    You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.

    It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
    No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works. :blush:
    I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.
    I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
    You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
    The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
    You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
    If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
    It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.

    You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
    You insulted me many times when you thought it was all decided and rigged years ago by some sinister cabal. I am not trying to insult you I am trying to understand you so that I can counter-act your tactics when it comes time to try and replace Trump.
    Many great people have pointed out that thinking big picture doesn't get anything done at all, it is the little steps we take that carry us forward, not our dream of the destination.
    I still think something is going on that the public doesn't know about, there always will be much that we do NOT KNOW. Hillary had fireworks planned for shooting off over the Hudson and canceled them within 24 hours of election day. Why. What did she know. What changed. She was sailing through to victory. Nearly everyone planned on it, including her campaign.

    Seriously? When you are deep in details, exactly what gets done? When there are too many hands in the pot, who's overseeing the problem at large? Discounting big-picture perspective is the exact issue and a very dangerous one. Too many dismiss it, like yourself. And problems inevitably never get solved because of it. It's called balance, not one or the other. Without balance, nothing gets really done.
    Once a conspiracy theorist, always a conspiracy theorist.

    Problems WERE getting solved.
    Same-sex marriage legalized.
    Marijuana becoming legalized.
    Climate change beginning to be addressed.
    Less war.
    Taxes increasing on the wealthy.
    Police abuse coming to a national discussion.
    Equal pay.
    Paid maternity paternity and sick days.
    Minimum wage increases.

    It was all happening, soon to happen, or happened. All gone. Done. Over. Trump and GOP in total control.
    Then too many playing Icarus grabbing for too much, too fast and there was a backlash that you couldn't control.
    On top of that, Russia played you BernieBros like a fiddle, let you lead the battle to smear Clinton and pave the way for Trump.
    Post edited by rgambs on
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • ^^^
    cmon rgambs stop blaming others.
    The American desire and will put President -elect Trump there.
    Give him a chance just like Hillary told you to.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    Whatever you want to think, gambs. You know everything.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,383
    I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
    Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
    Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
    Please pick someone younger!
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562

    ^^^
    cmon rgambs stop blaming others.
    The American desire and will put President -elect Trump there.
    Give him a chance just like Hillary told you to.

    :lol:
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    The blinders for Obama are too strong on this forum for any of you to really get where the blame resides.
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761

    I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
    Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
    Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
    Please pick someone younger!

    Tim Kaine 2020
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    The blinders for Obama are too strong on this forum for any of you to really get where the blame resides.

    Explain.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    rgambs said:

    Free said:

    Who said he was my boy? Oh yeah. Just you. Delusional.

    Like it or not...
    In a binary system, you are a 1 or a 0.
    You were a zero.
    You campaigned actively against 1 and that means you campaigned actively for 0.

    It's one thing that you didn't understand before, but it is sad that you don't get it now.
    No, not everything is black-and-white. But kudos on trying to insult me. You went from backing Sanders to being Hillary fan. And then you lost. And you're still hurt. I understand, perhaps you should take some time off, rather than trying to insult me because it never works. :blush:
    I didn't say everything is black and white. I said our presidential elections are a binary system, and I was obviously correct.
    I was never a Clinton fan, I just understood the reality that you still can't grasp, even though we now have a president Trump.
    You don't seem upset about that at all. It seems like you hated Clinton and loved Bernie much more than you love progress.
    The EPA is fucked, the trade war with China is coming, legal weed is in the toilet, the Supreme Court is gone for a generation, and all you care about is Bernie... You say it's not about him, it's a movement, and yet you have little or nothing to say about the movement being backwards.
    You say "you are hurt" because "you lost".
    If you were truly concerned with progress you would feel and say that "we lost" like every progressive person I know is saying right now. That's not what I am seeing right now, I am seeing the definition of a BernieBro and I am concerned that if there are enough of you out there, you will lose us the next election as well.
    It certainly is not. There are NOT just 2 parties, whether you or anyone else wants to believe it. That's where the problem lies, people thinking it's binary (OMG, another word for this would be black-and-white, whodathunk). So you are wrong, just accept that people DO IN FACT vote 3rd parties, and there are SEVERAL - maybe not in the presidential election, but there are SEVERAL.

    You can "seem" to know who I am, but I don't think in black and white, I think big picture. I'm not going to waste my life being angry, I'm going to make my life and others valuable by keeping perspective, knowing that change is constant, working every day to make a difference and knowing things do GET BETTER. And that right there? Is PROGRESS. It's also PERSPECTIVE. You need to take some time to grieve this loss. Like MANY right now do, instead of attempting to insult.
    You insulted me many times when you thought it was all decided and rigged years ago by some sinister cabal. I am not trying to insult you I am trying to understand you so that I can counter-act your tactics when it comes time to try and replace Trump.
    Many great people have pointed out that thinking big picture doesn't get anything done at all, it is the little steps we take that carry us forward, not our dream of the destination.
    I still think something is going on that the public doesn't know about, there always will be much that we do NOT KNOW. Hillary had fireworks planned for shooting off over the Hudson and canceled them within 24 hours of election day. Why. What did she know. What changed. She was sailing through to victory. Nearly everyone planned on it, including her campaign.

    Seriously? When you are deep in details, exactly what gets done? When there are too many hands in the pot, who's overseeing the problem at large? Discounting big-picture perspective is the exact issue and a very dangerous one. Too many dismiss it, like yourself. And problems inevitably never get solved because of it. It's called balance, not one or the other. Without balance, nothing gets really done.
    The BIG PICTURE is that the radicalized wing of the Republican Party now controls all three branches of our government.

    The end.
    That's right. Get used to it. Grieve now, organize, protest, make meaningful change when you get over Hillary.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,383

    I hope whomever is nominated next time is in their 40s or 50s. Fucking geriatrics this time around.
    Trump will be the oldest president to swear in, I believe.
    Clinton would have been tied with Ronny, who to date was the oldest to swear in...and as much as I am a child of the Reagan years, the man had some problems by the end of his 8 years.
    Please pick someone younger!

    Tim Kaine 2020
    He will be in 60s then too.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
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