Hillary won more votes for President

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Has anyone ever met anyone who actually likes Hillary Clinton? Several of you are voting for her, but do you actually like her? Most of the people I've met who are supporting her are mainly supporting her because of trump or because she's the left candidate.
Does this kind of explain why she can't get people to turn out for her live events?

LOL...more with the attendance?

Yes I like her. I know a lot of people that like her and can't get over the bullshit she is having to go through.

I've said a few times on here...she is getting worse treatment as a woman than Obama did as an African American. Unreal.

Wait... First off, that's your screwed up personal opionion. The fact that she has been consistently polling so high in the negative department for over a year is reality. Second, She's getting the worst treatment because why? You honestly can't be that blind to the fact that she herself is doing this to herself. We believed before the leaks, and now with the leaks it proves it. People disliked her for being a two face politician, amongst many other reasons, and the leaks have proven that to be fact.

You've said it yourself several times that wasn't the best candidate. Not only that, but the fact is that you are a former BernieBro, or was that all BS? Therefore there was definitely a better option for you.
Her having attendance issues has always been the case. That was the case during the primaries. There's no need to play games here. It is what it is.

You're trying to talk as though her being a woman hasn't altered people's perception because of gender bias and double standards. Part of the negative perception with Hillary is that she's seen as cold and/or a b---h. The expectation about women that people hold is that there has to be a certain level of interpersonal warmth combined with placating others. This expectation just isn't there for male politicians.

Huh?!? Who the hell even mentioned her gender? We're talking About reality here, brother! Her gender hasn't even been brought up once in this campaign, like race was brought up for Obama. Stop wasting time. So you can have that convo with someone else.

Maybe I'm going too fast for ya. You talked about the negative perception of her, I was saying gender bias and sexism plays a role in this. Gender doesn't have to be brought up specifically for it to be an issue. If often happens below the conscience anyway. People have expectations on how women should act and they look at different things to judge them on. An example is why Bill is brought up so often. Women are judged more on their relationships with others and that their relationships will influence them more than men, and men are perceived to be more independent, so you hear less about their relationships. Don't you pay attention to how people treat women differently than men in the same situation?

Sorry, I stopped reading your comment after the first few lines. You aren't going to fast for me. Don't give me that elitist bullshit. Let me make this clear. This election has been about the two most shittiest candidates ever(that's a bit of a stretch, but u get my point). There is no fucking time to even notice that there is a woman running for president. It's not even a Barack Obama moment, where we could feel proud because of his race, along with his qualifications. This is a shit race. With a candidate that has hidden from the press who won a primary because said candidate was working with everyone in power to win that shit. And a candidate who is ballshit crazy(trump).

Some people might hold gender as a valid issue to them, but I would imagine that's a small group and not enough to be a factor. Maybe you and someone else can talk the shit out of that factor. I'm not interested in it, since it hasn't even been brought up once this entire election.

I'd like to get back to reality. Good luck to you

No time to notice? Okay. So how many years did it take for you to notice Obama was black? Or did someone point that out to you? Trump has soecifically brought up her gender. The media talks about it. People talk about it. The first female prez will be historic. Just because you tell yourself you haven't noticed doesn't mean you haven't noticed.

Why are we talking about her gender? Because you actually believe that she is receiving poor polling (untrustworthiness/etc) because she is a woman?
Dude, I'm not blind. I've noticed that she is a woman.. I noticed Obama was black. What's your point? I'm telling you it's a non issue for me and Clinton's gender has been a non-issue in general. Fuck, if it makes you happy send me an article that talks about the gender issue and I'll read it.

Obama was giving speeches on race, as a matter of fact I have a copy of his speech on race signed by him. It was a serious issue. He was receiving tons of death threats because of his race. I haven't heard of anything like that concerning Clinton and her gender.

Maybe you should have this whole gender discussion with someone who is a sexist or someone who isn't a progressive... I don't know what to tell you. It's a big fat zero factor for me. What I want to discuss are those darn cute grandchildren Lynch and Clinton were talking about on the tarmac.