THE DEBATES 2016

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,411
    benjs said:

    But who do you blame then? The media/government/corporations for taking advantage of a blissfully ignorant populace, or the blissfully ignorant populace themselves? No one forces the Average Joe/Joanne to live in a state of mis- or non-education: can we not propel our society away from that?
    Ultimately the populace but they are too stupid to see through the fog of right wing media.

    The internet and right wing bullshit is the issue. How to stop it? Might be impossible.

    I have a client that is about 80 years old....she is very proud of the fact that she listens to Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Alex Jones, etc. all fucking day. She has told me that if I don't listen to them I "don't know what is going on." As a former dittohead I find that fucking frightening.

    This lady is so anti-government it's hard to get over how she reconciles that with the fact that she pays most of her bills with social security money and is on medicare. I don't have the heart to explain that contradiction to her.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,323

    Ultimately the populace but they are too stupid to see through the fog of right wing media.

    The internet and right wing bullshit is the issue. How to stop it? Might be impossible.

    I have a client that is about 80 years old....she is very proud of the fact that she listens to Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Alex Jones, etc. all fucking day. She has told me that if I don't listen to them I "don't know what is going on." As a former dittohead I find that fucking frightening.

    This lady is so anti-government it's hard to get over how she reconciles that with the fact that she pays most of her bills with social security money and is on medicare. I don't have the heart to explain that contradiction to her.
    Obama had this to say in 2009... it just perfectly sums up your point...

    “I got a letter the other day from a woman. She said, ‘I don’t want government-run health care. I don’t want socialized medicine. And don’t touch my Medicare.’”
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,411
    mrussel1 said:

    Obama had this to say in 2009... it just perfectly sums up your point...

    “I got a letter the other day from a woman. She said, ‘I don’t want government-run health care. I don’t want socialized medicine. And don’t touch my Medicare.’”
    Crazy....how to get those people to think is the challenge. It's scary.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Free said:

    If there was no voter suppression, No superdelegates, no repealing of Obama's move to refuse lobbyist money in elections by DWS and HRC and no rigged primaries, Bernie Sanders would've won.
    In your opinion.
    Millions of votes separated them, that's quite a hurdle.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    rgambs said:

    In your opinion.
    Millions of votes separated them, that's quite a hurdle.
    Superdelegate votes. Do you forget? They were neck and neck and what put her over the top was the majority of superdelegates - bought and paid for by HRC months in advance. Rigged.
  • Bernie lost.
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    ...due to the rigging of the election.

  • Due to Hillary garnering almost 4 million more votes.
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,323
    And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    mrussel1 said:

    And won a strong majority of the pledged delegates. If there were no SD's, she would have won the night she clinched California. These facts escape some.

    Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count?
    CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate?
    No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?

    I can go on...
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    This election is rigged, whether Hillarites want to believe it or not.
  • Free said:

    Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count?
    CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate?
    No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?

    I can go on...
    What venue held tens of millions?
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,960

    What venue held tens of millions?
    That's a big building!
  • Please define "voter suppression."
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • What venue held tens of millions?
    Maybe this will help Free understand:

    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california

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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited October 2016

    That's a big building!
    Did I say (his rallies) were held in a building? :pensive:
    Post edited by Free on
  • Does a venue have to be a building?
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    :hushed:
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,066

    What venue held tens of millions?
    The Voter Suppression Arena outside Springfield.
    The Rigged Coliseum outside Columbus
    The Hillary Memorial Amphitheater outside the city.
    They all held
    Bernie's tens of millions
  • Free said:

    :hushed:

    Quack, quack, quack, quack! QUACK!
    09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;

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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,692
    Free said:

    Do I really need to point this out again. Voter suppression in nearly half of states. Including CA, the one you think she clinched, yet took over a month to count?
    CA, 1 of the 5 last state primary vote in June, taken place the day after AP announced Hillary was the preemptive candidate?
    No, no cheating or rigging there. The combination of voter suppression, SDs, repealing Obama's rule of not allowing big lobbyists from being campaign donars in an effort to get money out of politics? A disgraced DWS forced to step down from the DNC only to be promoted to special campaign manager of HRC? Half-empty high school gymnasiums for Hillary rallies compared to Bernie's tens of millions attending each of his rallies?

    I can go on...
    Bernie only got 13 million total votes in the primaries - so according to you pretty much every single person who voted for Bernie attended the rallies and most more than 1? umm ok there chief.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    benjs said:

    You've been consistently condescending in your treatment of anyone supporting Clinton. Nice of you to wash your hands of calling any supporter of Clinton a sheep for literally months, by doing an about face in your typical fashion by now saying that "every vote is a great vote".

    Also, proposing that conversation for the sake of educating and learning is a waste of time is effectively to admit that "ignorance is bliss". Worse than that, when you take bidirectional conversation out of the picture, it means that the most resonant remaining news source is the mainstream media which you've condemned oh so much for its lack of truthfulness. Which is it? Do you want sheep, or do you want honestly educated people? And when honestly educated people's opinions are in disagreement with your fear-induced isolationist stances, are you willing to accept that maybe the populace aren't as stupid as you think, and share or value different stances from your own?
    well actually I'm just tired of reading the senseless babble spewed on this topic, I know who I'm voting for and reading all the crap on here will not change my mind.
    an opinion different than the AMT folks (not all but many) means having to defend yourself from insults...you guy's are just cool internet warriors ! in real life outside the train i bet you all hide in your safe places.

    Godfather.

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,323
    pjhawks said:

    Bernie only got 13 million total votes in the primaries - so according to you pretty much every single person who voted for Bernie attended the rallies and most more than 1? umm ok there chief.
    And.... the city of Chicago metro has 10MM people total. Ergo, at every rally a crowd larger than the metro Chicago area would show up for it. That is mighty impressive, especially at a New Hampshire rally..
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,066

    Quack, quack, quack, quack! QUACK!
    Hey no baiting :anguished:
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,165

    Huh? I didn't say anything about anyone being being an idiot. I was just responding to a post where someone said Clinton is going to revive the Cold War with her rhetoric about the hacks. I'm just pointing out that the tension with Russia pre-dates the hacks. She's right to say Putin doesn't want her as president because she and NATO won't let Russia run amok in Eastern Europe. I hope she continues to remind Americans what's going on there. It's an important foreign policy issue. I still can't believe we let them get away with that territory grab.
    What? I was agreeing with you, lol.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,411

    well actually I'm just tired of reading the senseless babble spewed on this topic, I know who I'm voting for and reading all the crap on here will not change my mind.
    an opinion different than the AMT folks (not all but many) means having to defend yourself from insults...you guy's are just cool internet warriors ! in real life outside the train i bet you all hide in your safe places.

    Godfather.

    yeah...you're voting for Cheeto Hitler and proud of it. Looks like he's going to get stomped....but maybe you'll get lucky and all the polls will be wrong.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,165
    edited October 2016

    so, if the american people are so tired of the status quo of garbage candidates, why did they nominate two? as ridiculous a process as the primaries may be, your country gets to choose your representatives to run. canada does not. for better or worse.

    I'd definitely say that's for the better. We do elect the people who choose the candidates. They represent us, and so far they have all done a pretty decent job in selecting reasonable people, whether you love them or hate them. No Canadian PM candidate has ever been a nightmare because we seem to still understand that you don't vote in crazy people who wouod choose a leader like Palin or Huckabee or whatever other nutcase you want to choose from the bowl of elected nuts South of the border. Good enough for me, and very well worth it in order to avoid primaries.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    yeah...you're voting for Cheeto Hitler and proud of it. Looks like he's going to get stomped....but maybe you'll get lucky and all the polls will be wrong.
    LOL !! it could happen...are you worried ?

    Godfather.

  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,692
    PJ_Soul said:

    I'd definitely say that's for the better. We do elect the people who choose the candidates. They represent us, and so far they have all done a pretty decent job in selecting reasonable people, whether you love them or hate them. No Canadian PM candidate has ever been a nightmare because we seem to still understand that you don't vote in crazy people who wouod choose a leader like Palin or Huckabee or whatever other nutcase you want to choose from the bowl of elected nuts South of the border. Good enough for me, and very well worth it in order to avoid primaries.
    Rob Ford was the Mayor of your biggest city. that alone should keep you from patting your own country on the back for your political choices.

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,372
    PJ_Soul said:

    I'd definitely say that's for the better. We do elect the people who choose the candidates. They represent us, and so far they have all done a pretty decent job in selecting reasonable people, whether you love them or hate them. No Canadian PM candidate has ever been a nightmare because we seem to still understand that you don't vote in crazy people who wouod choose a leader like Palin or Huckabee or whatever other nutcase you want to choose from the bowl of elected nuts South of the border. Good enough for me, and very well worth it in order to avoid primaries.
    we also don't have the polarization that exists in the states. the political air space that exists between our major parties is WAY smaller than that of the US.
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